New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[titoelcolombiano]

Super rugby is dying..

Gone are the days when Super Rugby captured interest for its own sake

The Super Rugby Pacific season has well-and-truly started, after all, not that you’d really know from what’s getting written.

amp.rugbypass.com

Is that still a thing is it? NRL has finally turned it's attention to the Pacific and NZ so it won't be for much longer.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

They are using the exact same eligibility as a number of the Island players in the recent RLWC.

Why should they not honour their Scottish culture?

They should if they wish to, but RU fans should stop telling the world it's a global game because many top teams are propped up by heritage and residence

 

[The Great Dane]

Nice bail out.

It's not a bail out, you were/are pushing some really insidious ideas. But I'm not really interested in exploring those ideas any further aside from saying that you were muddying the waters between a national side and an ethnic one.

This wasn't about anyone's race, it's about RU posters lauding Japan when they can't even fill a squad of home grown players. And no, players born in RU playing countries, moving to Japan and representing the national team aren't homegrown players.

The Japanese RU team has significantly more home grown players than any international RL side outside of AUS,NZ, ENG, FR, and PNG, yet you laud international RL sides like Samoa, Tonga, Lebanon, etc, and criticise international RU sides like Japan, Argentina, etc.

Furthermore, for the most part the international RU sides amount of home grown talent has been steadily increasing over the years, where with the highly debatable exception of Fiji (it basically depends on how you define home grown), the same is not true in international RL.

You can continue to pretend that isn't the case, but it just makes you a hypocrite.

 

[Te Kaha]

Mate between us two, there is only one of us that has been called out for racism on this forum and it wasn't me.

Don't even pretend that RU officials and fans don't throw shit at league, it happens all the time.

Yes you have been called out about racism, especially when its this obvious. And I got "called out" because you idiots can't read and comprehend.
And now your diversion what "RU officials and fans" do is irrelevant. What's happened on here is relevant. And the only ones who "throw shit" at another sport are you and your ilk. Nobody in here is "throwing shit
" at league. But go ahead make something else up.

I love how you have turned this from a Rugby issue to a race issue. You do remember how this started right? Japan is so good because they've developed all these players? They haven't developed them, they were born in RU playing nations and learnt the game in those nations before moving to Japan to represent the national team. I've already stated that eligibility is eligibility and that's great, it's the same in all sports. But RU hasn't developed enough in Japan to even fill a full squad of home grown products.

For you to make it about race says more about you than me.

You stated that people who the Japanese government consider Japanese because they weren't born there. Yet Tongans and Samoans who had never been to Tonga or Samoa, had no parents born there only grandparents where Tongan and Samoan. Tongans and Samoans, whose government even state aren't legally Tongan or Samoan.
The only reason someone would be that hypocritical is because they are fundamentally stupid or it's racial.

And once again you are rewriting what happened. Someone stated that "The Brave Blossoms are a great example. The progress they've made over the last 30 years is astounding." You said it was because and I quote filling your squad with Aussies, Kiwis, Tongans and South Africans and calling the team 'Japan' isn't that impressive Then when it was pointed out that the national squad for the coming year had 70% Japanese in it, you claimed that those who the Japanese government consider Japanese aren't. At the same time you lauded Tonga and Samoa when their teams are full of players who had never even been to the Islands.

 

[Matua]

Agreed, eligibility is eligibility. Let's just not pretend they are Japanese, because they aren't

I assume you're resorting to culturally Japanese for this post? Well, no they're not, but for the umpteenth time that is irrelevant.

Is that still a thing is it? NRL has finally turned it's attention to the Pacific and NZ so it won't be for much longer.

As per the usual delusion in this thread, I wouldn't be getting too cocky, the Drua just beat the Crusaders at home. Super Rugby is clearly getting sneaky by allowing the PIs to win some big games.

And for another umpteenth time, league will never take over NZ unless it sorts out the grassroots. That's where the NRL needs to throw a big bunch of money.

 

[Wb1234]

They are using the exact same eligibility as a number of the Island players in the recent RLWC.

Why should they not honour their Scottish culture?

Cause if you did a dna test on em they ain’t Scottish

They should if they wish to, but RU fans should stop telling the world it's a global game because many top teams are propped up by heritage and residence

point after excellent point

 

[Perth Red]

Cause if you did a dna test on em they ain’t Scottish

Pretty sure thats not the criteria for international eligibility in any sport lol
If it was I could play for Scotland, Ireland or Norway which would be cool despite me having no connection with those countries at all.

 

[Wb1234]

Pretty sure thats not the criteria for international eligibility in any sport lol

People have eyes and can work out a laughing stock when they see it

 

[Perth Red]

People have eyes and can work out a laughing stock when they see it

So you if dont have DNA and look like your from that country? Damn that puts me out of all those three, back to Yorkshire it is then for the next Olympics. I could wear a ginger wig though?

 

[Wb1234]

So you if dont have DNA and look like your from that country? Damn that puts me out of all those three, back to Yorkshire it is then for the next Olympics. I could wear a ginger wig though?

Scotland is a home nation

six nations

union is supposed to be big

why are they signing Aussie islanders

as bad as England playing ben teo

peoples eyes can see the ring ins

 

[The Great Dane]

Cause if you did a dna test on em they ain’t Scottish

I see racism has re-entered the chat...

A DNA test tells you absolutely nothing about an individual's nationality, or their cultural ethnicity either for that matter. All it tells you is their ancestry, and though there's a corelation between ancestry and nationality and ethnicity generally speaking, it isn't always the case that a person's heritage is the same as their nationality or ethnicity.

Imagine we did a DNA test of a person in Sydney. Hypothetically that test could show that they're as close to 100% European/Asian/[insert preferred example here] as possible, but they were born and raised here, their family has lived exclusively in Australia for up to 200 years, and they know no other culture.

Using your logic you'd say that person can't truly be considered Australian because they don't have any indigenous DNA, and that's just insane. At that point your bordering very, very, close to some tenants of some very bad ideologies...

 

[Perth Red]

I see racism has re-entered the chat...

A DNA test tells you absolutely nothing about an individual's nationality, or their cultural ethnicity either for that matter. All it tells you is their ancestry, and though there's a corelation between ancestry and nationality and ethnicity generally speaking, it isn't always the case that a persons heritage is the same as their nationality or ethnicity.

Imagine we did a DNA test of a person in Sydney. Hypothetically that test could show that they're as close to 100% European/Asian/[insert preferred example here] as possible, but they were born and raised here, their family has lived exclusively in Australia for up to 200 years, and they know no other culture.

Using your logic you'd say that person can't truly be considered Australian because they don't have any indigenous DNA, and that's just insane. At that point your bordering very, very, close to some tenants of some very bad ideologies...

No, apparently its DNA AND how you look lol
WB rewriting sports international eligibility laws for all

 

[The Great Dane]

No, apparently its DNA AND how you look lol
WB rewriting sports international eligibility laws for all

Attitudes like this have much larger impacts than just on sports eligibility laws unfortunately.

He's got what he wants anyway because the eligibility laws in both RL and RU have been stretched to the point where many of the national teams are more ethnic teams than national sides, which is something I've railed against for years, but generally people don't see the problems with this stuff until it's too late.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

People have eyes and can work out a laughing stock when they see it

WB at 0:28 in this video

 

[Wb1234]

I see racism has re-entered the chat...

A DNA test tells you absolutely nothing about an individual's nationality, or their cultural ethnicity either for that matter. All it tells you is their ancestry, and though there's a corelation between ancestry and nationality and ethnicity generally speaking, it isn't always the case that a person's heritage is the same as their nationality or ethnicity.

Imagine we did a DNA test of a person in Sydney. Hypothetically that test could show that they're as close to 100% European/Asian/[insert preferred example here] as possible, but they were born and raised here, their family has lived exclusively in Australia for up to 200 years, and they know no other culture.

Using your logic you'd say that person can't truly be considered Australian because they don't have any indigenous DNA, and that's just insane. At that point your bordering very, very, close to some tenants of some very bad ideologies...

How’s it racist

do you think they sing flower of Scotland without cue cards ?

 

[Matua]

Cause if you did a dna test on em they ain’t Scottish

Because they don't look 100% Scottish? Tui Lolohea doesn't look Tongan, I better you wouldn't question him.

 

[Wb1234]

He

Because they don't look 100% Scottish? Tui Lolohea doesn't look Tongan, I better you wouldn't question him.

He isn’t a wasp playing for an islander team is he ?

lol

 

[Matua]

He

He isn’t a wasp playing for an islander team is he ?

lol

Why do you not have a problem with mixed PIs playing for the PIs, but not mixed PIs playing for their non PI ancestry? It's an odd stance to take.

 

[Wb1234]

Why do you not have a problem with mixed PIs playing for the PIs, but not mixed PIs playing for their non PI ancestry? It's an odd stance to take.

Cmon it’s obvious

 

[Matua]

Cmon it’s obvious

It's not obvious at all.