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New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

flippikat

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They should move straight to pro rel
Difficult with the spread of teams though - on the current table, there's a chance that the A-league's sole Brisbane team (and indeed sole Queensland team) would be relegated.

I think that even if the A-League's Canberra & Auckland expansion doesn't spur a response from other codes (NRL included), there may be flow-on to stadium upgrades/new builds that could benefit NRL.
 

Wb1234

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Difficult with the spread of teams though - on the current table, there's a chance that the A-league's sole Brisbane team (and indeed sole Queensland team) would be relegated.

I think that even if the A-League's Canberra & Auckland expansion doesn't spur a response from other codes (NRL included), there may be flow-on to stadium upgrades/new builds that could benefit NRL.
If Canberra and Auckland get new grounds because of this it’s brilliant

when in reality both sides will end up w arguing 5k each
 

Pippen94

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Difficult with the spread of teams though - on the current table, there's a chance that the A-league's sole Brisbane team (and indeed sole Queensland team) would be relegated.

I think that even if the A-League's Canberra & Auckland expansion doesn't spur a response from other codes (NRL included), there may be flow-on to stadium upgrades/new builds that could benefit NRL.

That's pro rel
 

Matua

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Scotland sign Aussie based players who are eligible to play for the islands
They are using the exact same eligibility as a number of the Island players in the recent RLWC.

Why should they not honour their Scottish culture?
 

titoelcolombiano

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Except it's not. Eligibility is eligibility, whether it's because you've lived in a country for 15 years or you have one grandmother born on an island in the Pacific you've never been to.
Agreed, eligibility is eligibility. Let's just not pretend they are Japanese, because they aren't
 

titoelcolombiano

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Mate you are sounding a little xenophobic to be quite honest. They might have spent a majority of their life in Japan even if they don’t look Asian. They also probably speak fluent Japanese for all you know and are culturally assimilated.

As a hypothetical, would you say that somebody who has lived in Australia for say five to ten years but not born here is not Australian enough? It’s a pretty slippery slope you are going on. Nationhood is a very fluid thing nowadays - as it should be.
Good joke mate, Colombian wife, lived in Argentina for 2 years, lived in Colombia for a little less than that, have a Japanese ex-wife. Yeah, I'm xenophobic

On the ''Japanese'' RU issue though, It's pretty straight forward mate, Aussies, Kiwis, South Africans and Tongans are not Japanese. Immigration rates in Australia are very different to Japan so let's not pretend that they are even the same level of fluidity.

Besides that, race was never the point of me talking about this. It was the RU posters lauding the ''Japanese'' RU team, when the reality is that most of the side is not from Japan and learnt their RU in a traditional RU playing country. Much like the Tongan and Samoan RL teams. But their hypocrisy will call one out but not the other.

We could go on about this all day though, because for all of the global game chat they go on with, Japan is far from the only top side with this kind of line-up.
 

titoelcolombiano

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See more bullshit from you. Nobody is throwing shit at League, they are just pointing out your obvious hypocrisy and racism.
Mate between us two, there is only one of us that has been called out for racism on this forum and it wasn't me.

Don't even pretend that RU officials and fans don't throw shit at league, it happens all the time.
 

titoelcolombiano

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*facepalm* .. most of them went to the Islands for the first time AFTER they were in the world cup. And if you want to get accurate, Quite a few AREN'T Samoan, or Tongan, legally, they are culturally.

Tongan nationality law is regulated by the 1875 Constitution of Tonga, as amended; the Nationality Act, and its revisions; and international agreements entered into by the government of Tonga.[1][2] These laws determine who is, or is eligible to be, a national of Tonga. The legal means to acquire nationality, formal legal membership in a nation, differ from the domestic relationship of rights and obligations between a national and the nation, known as citizenship.[3][4] Tongan nationality is typically obtained either on the principle of jus soli, i.e. by birth in Tonga or under the rules of jus sanguinis, i.e. by birth abroad to parents with Tongan nationality.[5] It can be granted to persons who have lived in the country for a specific period of time, or who have an affiliation to the country through naturalisation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongan_nationality_law#:~:text=Tongan nationality is typically obtained,to parents with Tongan nationality.

Samoan nationality law is regulated by the 1962 Constitution of Samoa, as amended; the Citizenship Act 2004, and its revisions; the Citizenship Investment Act 2015; and international agreements entered into by the Samoan government.[1][2][3] These laws determine who is, or is eligible to be, a national of Samoa. The legal means to acquire nationality, formal legal membership in a nation, differ from the domestic relationship of rights and obligations between a national and the nation, known as citizenship.[4][5] Samoan nationality is typically obtained either on the principle of jus soli (by birth in Samoa) or under the rules of jus sanguinis (by birth abroad to parents with Samoan nationality).[6] It can be granted to persons who have lived in the country for a specific period of time, who have contributed to the country's development, or who have an affiliation to the country through naturalisation.[7]

Meanwhile....

Japanese nationality can be acquired in three ways: birth, notification, and naturalization.
1 Birth (Article 2 of the Japanese Nationality Act)
 (1) If the father or mother is a Japanese national at the time of birth.
 (2) If the father died before the child’s birth and was a Japanese national at the time of death.
 (3) If born in Japan and both of the parents are unknown or are without nationality.
2  Notification (Article 3 and Article 17 of the Japanese Nationality Act)
 Acquisition of nationality by notification is a system where those who meet certain requirements acquire Japanese nationality by notifying the Minister of Justice.
 (1) Acquisition of nationality by acknowledged children
 (2) Reacquisition of nationality by a person who has not retained Japanese nationality at birth
 (3) other
3 Naturalization (Article 4 through Article 9 of the Japanese Nationality Act)
Naturalization is a system that gives Japanese nationality, with the permission of the Minister of Justice, to those who wish to acquire Japanese nationality.

The Japanese government considers them Japanese.

A racist, rugby hating fool on an internet message board doesn't. I'm sure it's obvious who is right, and it ain't you.
I love how you have turned this from a Rugby issue to a race issue. You do remember how this started right? Japan is so good because they've developed all these players? They haven't developed them, they were born in RU playing nations and learnt the game in those nations before moving to Japan to represent the national team. I've already stated that eligibility is eligibility and that's great, it's the same in all sports. But RU hasn't developed enough in Japan to even fill a full squad of home grown products.

For you to make it about race says more about you than me.
 

titoelcolombiano

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Can I be really honest with you; I'm not interested in exploring loony ideas of culture being intrinsically linked to race.

It's not that I'm struggling to understand them, or that I've never encountered these ideas before, it's that they're racist trash that doesn't stand up to even minimal levels of criticism.
Nice bail out. This wasn't about anyone's race, it's about RU posters lauding Japan when they can't even fill a squad of home grown players. And no, players born in RU playing countries, moving to Japan and representing the national team aren't homegrown players.
 

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