New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Again with hull lol
no hull historically has two teams, what you’re suggesting is SL would be better admitting hull 3 rather than a london or toulouse.

You're the "expansionist" defending a city of 267k having two teams, despite them having a fanbase of 21k between them.

The Dolphins averaged 25k in their first season. An average of 32k attended their games at Lang Park.

You've spent years rubbishing Sydney clubs for drawing crowds that are bigger than anything Hull KR averaged in their best season.

 

[MugaB]

Hull clubs have been around 135 years! Both are unique geographic identities and serve two sides of the city accordingly. Like Sydney it’s an an anomaly of history, If you were starting today you wouldn’t put two clubs in Hull.

like I said I can understand why a lot of rugby league fans in brisbane wouldn’t support the SL starting news ltd corporate broncos. A second brisbane team was always going to Hoover up the disaffected,

syndey is a historic anomaly due to the way the game developed, again no sport puts 9 clubs in one city unless it’s a historical construct of how the comp was formed.

and still no one has answered me what a second Auckland teams point of difference is? Why would a rl fan in Auckland not want to follow the warriors currently and decide to follow Auckland2?

Again no sport? Did we forget Afl in Melbourne

 

[Canard]

The Hull conversation is irrelevant deflection from the forum idiot.

 

[MugaB]

The Hull conversation is irrelevant deflection from the forum idiot.

Not really, everytime there is a negative spin on an existing RL area getting a new licence for a expansion spot, there is always LU folk who will downplay the usefulness of that club as there is already one there, so why do we need to talk about them? Well hull! Why do they need 2?, same as why do we need broncos and dolphins, souths and easts, warriors and NZ2

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Not really, everytime there is a negative spin on an existing RL area getting a new licence for a expansion spot, there is always LU folk who will downplay the usefulness of that club as there is already one there, so why do we need to talk about them? Well hull! Why do they need 2?, same as why do we need broncos and dolphins, souths and easts, warriors and NZ2

Yet the AFL are lauded for having two clubs in major markets

 

[Perth Red]

You're the "expansionist" defending a city of 267k having two teams, despite them having a fanbase of 21k between them.

The Dolphins averaged 25k in their first season. An average of 32k attended their games at Lang Park.

You've spent years rubbishing Sydney clubs for drawing crowds that are bigger than anything Hull KR averaged in their best season.

Irrelevant. Hull is well serviced by two clubs and doesn’t need a third, as is brisbane.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Irrelevant. Hull is well serviced by two clubs and doesn’t need a third, as is brisbane.

Now you're just trolling.

 

[The Great Dane]

Arguably worse, the debts the clubs are running up are horrific!

yes and no to point two, the great north south divide plays a huge part in uk politics, funding, class war and other areas Including sport in our case.
Union being a southern sport and historically upper class is a media darling whilst league being a working class northern sport has always been largely ignored by southern biased media. Of course we haven’t helped ourselves either at times!

Media companies are businesses. They'd be all over RL if it was pulling the numbers and profitable for them, but it's not particularly, and rarely has been outside of the M62 corridor when they've tried it.

Say what you will about the differences between soccer and RL, and I'm not denying those differences exist BTW, but media, political, and class biases towards RU would have impacted soccer to some degree as well, yet they successfully managed to negotiate it to become by far the most powerful sport in the UK despite that.
I'm not suggesting that RL has any hope of growing as big as soccer, or that it isn't easier said than done, but RL could grow significantly from it's base in England if it had strong leadership, dropped the infighting for cooperation, and implemented a solid long term business plan.

Who knows maybe IMG's influence will lead to those changes, but I highly doubt it unfortunately.

 

[Gobsmacked]

Irrelevant. Hull is well serviced by two clubs and doesn’t need a third, as is brisbane.

Terminator 2 was the best in the franchise two.. that's nearly more relevant...

 

[MugaB]

Yet the AFL are lauded for having two clubs in major markets

Wery wery good padawan... guuud guuud, let that hate flow thru you... lets make sure the next 2 licences after Pasifika are Perf 1 and Perf 2 then

 

[Matua]

I'm certainly not saying this has to happen tomorrow, but the NRL is going to continue to grow the game including the pathways and the fan base and there's no reason a city of 1.7m people can't host two teams.

There's lots of reasons but you're just ignoring them.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

There's lots of reasons but you're just ignoring them.

Nothing that can't be overcome with strategy and investment. You seem to think our game is incapable of growth

 

[Gobsmacked]

Nothing that can't be overcome with strategy and investment. You seem to think our game is incapable of growth

But it kinda isn't growth.
I'm down in the South ( Dunedin) and I've seen ( up the wahs) graffiti on a public toilet.
The Warriors have scooped up the Nation to a degree , there's plenty that will definitely jump on another team if it represents them more but at this point I sincerely doubt that there'd be a significant portion of Auckland who don't support the Warriors, just to wear a different Jersey there now would be brave. If there was another team, it would be a much much poorer cousin.
Wellington is a great option for another team but a Christchurch team branded Southern or South Island would have 1 million people suddenly completely on board and NRL supporters. It's a genuinely new area for the NRL, an entire land mass added.
Wellington once they sort out their stadium. I'm sure a Christchurch team would put pressure on that too.

Another Auckland team is a solid no from me.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

But it kinda isn't growth.
I'm down in the South ( Dunedin) and I've seen ( up the wahs) graffiti on a public toilet.
The Warriors have scooped up the Nation to a degree , there's plenty that will definitely jump on another team if it represents them more but at this point I sincerely doubt that there'd be a significant portion of Auckland who don't support the Warriors, just to wear a different Jersey there now would be brave. If there was another team, it would be a much much poorer cousin.
Wellington is a great option for another team but a Christchurch team branded Southern or South Island would have 1 million people suddenly completely on board and NRL supporters. It's a genuinely new area for the NRL, an entire land mass added.
Wellington once they sort out their stadium. I'm sure a Christchurch team would put pressure on that too.

Another Auckland team is a solid no from me.

If the NRL go with any version of NZ 2, I'm happy no matter where it is. I'm just pointing out that a RL friendly city of 1.7m people is pretty enticing for a second team.

 

[Gobsmacked]

If the NRL go with any version of NZ 2, I'm happy no matter where it is. I'm just pointing out that a RL friendly city of 1.7m people is pretty enticing for a second team.

I'd also be happy no matter where it is but Auckland would make me the least happy lol

 

[titoelcolombiano]

I'd also be happy no matter where it is but Auckland would make me the least happy lol

I'm just keen for the NRL to get on with dealing a massive blow to the vulnerable NZ Rugby Union

 

[Wb1234]

I'm just keen for the NRL to get on with dealing a massive blow to the vulnerable NZ Rugby Union

If you had to pick one nation to bring over to rugby league out of all of them I would pick nz

it’s the jewel in unions crown

it would make the rlwc very good at the same time as dealing a massive blow to the ruwc

same goes for Tonga samoa fiji and the Cook Islands

rugby league owing the pacific brings huge benefits to the rlwc and international rl

 

[Perth Red]

Again no sport? Did we forget Afl in Melbourne

Sigh

syndey is a historic anomaly due to the way the game developed, again no sport puts 9 clubs in one city unless it’s a historical construct of how the comp was formed.

 

[Perth Red]

Not really, everytime there is a negative spin on an existing RL area getting a new licence for a expansion spot, there is always LU folk who will downplay the usefulness of that club as there is already one there, so why do we need to talk about them? Well hull! Why do they need 2?, same as why do we need broncos and dolphins, souths and easts, warriors and NZ2

the debate on brisbane3 is akin to a debate on if hull should have a third SL team like skirlaugh or west hull admitted. Not that there is two teams that have been there for 135 years lol. No one would suggest that’s a good idea.

Brisbane is well serviced with two clubs for now. If Ipswich ever have the finances and stadium and dolphins and titans are still going strong that will be the time to be considering brisbane3.

 

[Wb1234]

the debate on brisbane3 is akin to a debate on if hull should have a third SL team like skirlaugh or west hull admitted. Not that there is two teams that have been there for 135 years lol. No one would suggest that’s a good idea.

Brisbane is well serviced with two clubs for now. If Ipswich ever have the finances and stadium and dolphins and titans are still going strong that will be the time to be considering brisbane3.

Good argument because the relative populations are similar