New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Wb1234]

Not so sure it is just Super League. Since the NRL was formed

Northern Eagles failed
GC went broke
Newcastle licence was owned by NRL
WT was controlled by NRL
Warriors have changed owners a couple of times

Plenty of reasons to be cautious and expand the right way

Newcastle and Gold Coast failing have nothing to do with rugby league or the arlc

Northern eagles it’s a merge which manly killed for their own benefit

 

[Wb1234]

They had the Lion Red cup set up in anticipation for the Warriors entry and was set up relatively similar to unions NPC. Sadly it wasn’t financially viable and the provincial teams struggled with the Auckland teams dominating, Bartercard cup was the second major attempt with more Auckland teams but again only the Canterbury Bulls challenged the Auckland teams and the gap in the provinces vs Auckland seemed to have grown larger. Had better pathways been capitalised on and the lion red cup retained it’s possible it could have been a local version (albeit likely behind QLD cup) to help develop and retain local players and have some level of national local interest

Nzrl couldnt run a chook raffle and the arlc isn’t going to hand them tens of millions a year in funding

a christchurch nrl team will provide juniors spaces for another 150 to 200 plus kids to seniors

nrl clubs are excellent at producing kiwi nrl players

as was shown by their team beating the kangaroos …. The country with the strongest rugby league juniors in the world

 

[Canard]

Nzrl couldnt run a chook raffle and the arlc isn’t going to hand them tens of millions a year in funding

a christchurch nrl team will provide juniors spaces for another 150 to 200 plus kids to seniors

nrl clubs are excellent at producing kiwi nrl players

as was shown by their team beating the kangaroos …. The country with the strongest rugby league juniors in the world

So you have to accept that NZ will never be bigger then Union, if you support your half arsed structure

 

[Iamback]

Newcastle and Gold Coast failing have nothing to do with rugby league or the arlc

Northern eagles it’s a merge which manly killed for their own benefit

Dude both were rich guys with money who lost it, can happen to anyone so hence bids need to be stronger and why it is and should be a long process

 

[Pippen94]

Ignoring history means you will repeat the mistakes of the past

super league is still hugely important to rugby league today

1. why is afl more popular In nsw and qld today than the early 90/“s

2. why no second team in Brisbane until the recently

3. why was the nrl so afraid to expand

super league

Biggest problem was thinking they could jettison existing fans for supposed new fans in AFL markets. Ppl here still advocate the same thing..

 

[Pippen94]

That’s the problem right there. There are a lot of people who aren’t tribal or ideological and to be frank the world has always been splintered into ideological prisms based on religion or politics or whatever. It’s nothing new. I would also say that is the biggest problem with the world so why bring it on here?

I couldn’t give a s*** what he does or what you do in your private life/spare time. I have also disagreed with him as well as several other people on here. I don’t care about factions.

Do you believe in new franchises in Perth & Adelaide?! Ditching suburban venues?! Reducing Sydney Clubs?! Yeah, it's fair to place you on that side..

 

[Wb1234]

Dude both were rich guys with money who lost it, can happen to anyone so hence bids need to be stronger and why it is and should be a long process

Clubs don’t need external funding anymore

the arlc grant is so high it means even the incompetent ones are fine

 

[Wb1234]

Biggest problem was thinking they could jettison existing fans for supposed new fans in AFL markets. Ppl here still advocate the same thing..

Yep for 20 years this forum was dominated with the super league mantra less Sydney teams for Perth and Adelaide to be like afl

they’ve given up on less Sydney clubs but still see Perth and Adelaide as the key to matching afl

imo Perth will get a team and it won’t change much for our game.

dolphins will

nz2 will

png with govt backing will be huge for rugby league

 

[Brian potter]

Yep for 20 years this forum was dominated with the super league mantra less Sydney teams for Perth and Adelaide to be like afl

they’ve given up on less Sydney clubs but still see Perth and Adelaide as the key to matching afl

imo Perth will get a team and it won’t change much for our game.

dolphins will

nz2 will

png with govt backing will be huge for rugby league

What happens when there isn’t government funding?

 

[Iamback]

Clubs don’t need external funding anymore

the arlc grant is so high it means even the incompetent ones are fine

They still need to have some sort of backing behind them for the day to day running

 

[mongoose]

Ignoring history means you will repeat the mistakes of the past

super league is still hugely important to rugby league today

1. why is afl more popular In nsw and qld today than the early 90/“s

2. why no second team in Brisbane until the recently

3. why was the nrl so afraid to expand

super league

so because super league happened the NRL should never expand again outside its heartland? seems rational

 

[Wb1234]

so because super league happened the NRL should never expand again outside its heartland? seems rational

Lmao who said that

 

[Wb1234]

What happens when there isn’t government funding?

The martians will fund it

 

[Brian potter]

The martians will fund it

Your obfuscation says everything.

 

[Colk]

Do you believe in new franchises in Perth & Adelaide?! Ditching suburban venues?! Reducing Sydney Clubs?! Yeah, it's fair to place you on that side..

To answer your questions
1. Yes to Perth, maybe to Adelaide. You need to expand to different markets to attract new customers. That’s how capitalism works
2. It depends on the club - for example Penrith, Manly and Cronulla would find it difficult to share stadiums with other clubs because of their location. Everybody else shouldn’t be playing at suburban grounds though. Instead of just responding but history and tradition have a think about who is funding (and the likelihood thereof) the necessary redevelopments or upgrades for 9 different grounds if everybody is going to play at a seperate suburban ground. See you actually need to register this kind of stuff before you blindly accept some rigid position
3. Not going to happen or very unlikely to happen so it’s not worth talking about. If they can pay their bills they can stay.

 

[Perth Red]

West coat pirates
adelaide bears
South Island somethungs

should be the nrls expansion blueprint for 20 clubs if the business cases for the bids stacks up.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

To answer your questions
1. Yes to Perth, maybe to Adelaide. You need to expand to different markets to attract new customers. That’s how capitalism works
2. It depends on the club - for example Penrith, Manly and Cronulla would find it difficult to share stadiums with other clubs because of their location. Everybody else shouldn’t be playing at suburban grounds though. Instead of just responding but history and tradition have a think about who is funding (and the likelihood thereof) the necessary redevelopments or upgrades for 9 different grounds if everybody is going to play at a seperate suburban ground. See you actually need to register this kind of stuff before you blindly accept some rigid position
3. Not going to happen or very unlikely to happen so it’s not worth talking about. If they can pay their bills they can stay.

I'd like to see the Cronulla vs St George games moved to the SFS. Surely it can draw a sell out crowd on a Sunday arvo?

St George should play their home games against South Sydney, Sydney and Cronulla at the SFS.

 

[The Great Dane]

People like to make out that the SL war was a result of outside influences, like News limited and the other broadcasters, but the reality is it was entirely a result of a succession of poor decisions made by the NSWRL/ARL. Their decisions and inaction created all the circumstances that made SL an attractive option to those that pursued it, and they've never taken any responsibility for that to this day.

All it would have taken was a handful of sensible changes and it never happens. Just not handing the PTV rights to Packer for literally nothing in the early 90s, not treating clubs outside of Sydney as pariahs and making them feel they had an equal say in the future of the league and how it operated, and taking genuine steps to stamp out the cartel behaviour that was rampant in Sydney at the time, would have made SL a complete non-starter.

Nothing similar to the circumstances that lead to SL exist today, nor is their currently any scope for a competitor competition or anybody realistically in a position to fund such a venture, and suggesting otherwise is little more baseless fearmongering. Furthermore, people that try to blame SL for any and all of the issues facing the game to this day are stuck in the past and need to move on.

The SL war should have no bearing on decisions relating to expansion going forward.

 

[Wb1234]

Your obfuscation says everything.

You asking the same question over and over which has been answered before says everything

60 million pa is more than the tv deal for super league that’s funds 12 clubs

only an idiot would say no to this money

 

[Wb1234]

People like to make out that the SL war was a result of outside influences, like News limited and the other broadcasters, but the reality is it was entirely a result of a succession of poor decisions made by the NSWRL/ARL. Their decisions and inaction created all the circumstances that made SL an attractive option to those that pursued it, and they've never taken any responsibility for that to this day.

All it would have taken was a handful of sensible changes and it never happens. Just not handing the PTV rights to Packer for literally nothing in the early 90s, not treating clubs outside of Sydney as pariahs and making them feel they had an equal say in the future of the league and how it operated, and taking genuine steps to stamp out the cartel behaviour that was rampant in Sydney at the time, would have made SL a complete non-starter.

Nothing similar to the circumstances that lead to SL exist today, nor is their currently any scope for a competitor competition or anybody realistically in a position to fund such a venture, and suggesting otherwise is little more baseless fearmongering. Furthermore, people that try to blame SL for any and all of the issues facing the game to this day are stuck in the past and need to move on.

The SL war should have no bearing on decisions relating to expansion going forward.

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