New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Pippen94]

West coat pirates
adelaide bears
South Island somethungs

should be the nrls expansion blueprint for 20 clubs if the business cases for the bids stacks up.

Lol, last business case was left unread..

 

[Pippen94]

People like to make out that the SL war was a result of outside influences, like News limited and the other broadcasters, but the reality is it was entirely a result of a succession of poor decisions made by the NSWRL/ARL. Their decisions and inaction created all the circumstances that made SL an attractive option to those that pursued it, and they've never taken any responsibility for that to this day.

All it would have taken was a handful of sensible changes and it never happens. Just not handing the PTV rights to Packer for literally nothing in the early 90s, not treating clubs outside of Sydney as pariahs and making them feel they had an equal say in the future of the league and how it operated, and taking genuine steps to stamp out the cartel behaviour that was rampant in Sydney at the time, would have made SL a complete non-starter.

Nothing similar to the circumstances that lead to SL exist today, nor is their currently any scope for a competitor competition or anybody realistically in a position to fund such a venture, and suggesting otherwise is little more baseless fearmongering. Furthermore, people that try to blame SL for any and all of the issues facing the game to this day are stuck in the past and need to move on.

The SL war should have no bearing on decisions relating to expansion going forward.

..it was because murdoch wanted league to launch his pay tv in Australia

 

[Pippen94]

so because super league happened the NRL should never expand again outside its heartland? seems rational

Did somebody say strawman?!

 

[Pippen94]

To answer your questions
1. Yes to Perth, maybe to Adelaide. You need to expand to different markets to attract new customers. That’s how capitalism works
2. It depends on the club - for example Penrith, Manly and Cronulla would find it difficult to share stadiums with other clubs because of their location. Everybody else shouldn’t be playing at suburban grounds though. Instead of just responding but history and tradition have a think about who is funding (and the likelihood thereof) the necessary redevelopments or upgrades for 9 different grounds if everybody is going to play at a seperate suburban ground. See you actually need to register this kind of stuff before you blindly accept some rigid position
3. Not going to happen or very unlikely to happen so it’s not worth talking about. If they can pay their bills they can stay.

So, yes to Adelaide & Penrith. Yes to getting rid of suburban grounds. Danced around question, but probably would scrape or merge Sydney teams if possible. I'm afraid Ur one of them..

 

[Brian potter]

You asking the same question over and over which has been answered before says everything

has it?

so who picks up the bill when the government handouts stop?

60 million pa is more than the tv deal for super league that’s funds 12 clubs

is the 60 million confirmed?

only an idiot would say no to this money

and only an idiot wouldn’t look beyond a decade.

 

[Gobsmacked]

You asking the same question over and over which has been answered before says everything

60 million pa is more than the tv deal for super league that’s funds 12 clubs

only an idiot would say no to this money

Seriously... 10 years. That's all.
Only an idiot would take it.
This is what happens, the government changes ( twice by then! ) runs on cutting unnecessary spending ( as they always do!) Cuts funding!
Then we have a team in a 3rd world country with an ageing stadium costing the game 30 to 40 million every year that nobody wants to watch, nobody wants to play for and nobody wants to travel too , a civil war breaks out and all games have to be played in Cairns before 5 and 6 thousand fans. The NRL eventually pull the club after 20 years putting us back to an uneven number of teams.

All this isn't just a remote possibility.. it's a 50% chance that this is how it plays out.
It's a f**king 3rd world country!!! There's a reason why we don't go there!

PNG could be the biggest RL failure in history. Only an idiot would ignore this possibility.

 

[Wb1234]

has it?

so who picks up the bill when the government handouts stop?

is the 60 million confirmed?

and only an idiot wouldn’t look beyond a decade.

Yes

And

coming from the person that thought the Toronto Wolfpack was a failure that’s a bit rich

 

[Wb1234]

Seriously... 10 years. That's all.
Only an idiot would take it.
This is what happens, the government changes ( twice by then! ) runs on cutting unnecessary spending ( as they always do!) Cuts funding!
Then we have a team in a 3rd world country with an ageing stadium costing the game 30 to 40 million every year that nobody wants to watch, nobody wants to play for and nobody wants to travel too , a civil war breaks out and all games have to be played in Cairns before 5 and 6 thousand fans. The NRL eventually pull the club after 20 years putting us back to an uneven number of teams.

All this isn't just a remote possibility.. it's a 50% chance that this is how it plays out.
It's a f**king 3rd world country!!! There's a reason why we don't go there!

PNG could be the biggest RL failure in history. Only an idiot would ignore this possibility.

Being based in cairns and playing half their games there will be plan b

 

[Colk]

So, yes to Adelaide & Penrith. Yes to getting rid of suburban grounds. Danced around question, but probably would scrape or merge Sydney teams if possible. I'm afraid Ur one of them..

1. I don’t have a problem with Penrith. I said maybe to Adelaide. Last time I checked maybe is not a yes.
2. That is called a nuanced response. You do know the world is not black and white yeah and you have to think of problems, limitations and contexts. If you suggest that everybody plays at their suburban ground (which is all utopian and lovely etc) who is funding these upgrades? You can ignore that question if you want but it is pretty central.
3. Well I didn’t say that did I? I said that if they pay their bills they can stay. Same as with every other club. That’s a pretty clear response.

 

[Colk]

Seriously... 10 years. That's all.
Only an idiot would take it.
This is what happens, the government changes ( twice by then! ) runs on cutting unnecessary spending ( as they always do!) Cuts funding!
Then we have a team in a 3rd world country with an ageing stadium costing the game 30 to 40 million every year that nobody wants to watch, nobody wants to play for and nobody wants to travel too , a civil war breaks out and all games have to be played in Cairns before 5 and 6 thousand fans. The NRL eventually pull the club after 20 years putting us back to an uneven number of teams.

All this isn't just a remote possibility.. it's a 50% chance that this is how it plays out.
It's a f**king 3rd world country!!! There's a reason why we don't go there!

PNG could be the biggest RL failure in history. Only an idiot would ignore this possibility.

I wouldn’t go that far. Security is a massive issue as you have identified.

You also wouldn’t necessarily have to consider a change to a government for the funding to be under threat. At the first chance that this is considered a vote loser they’ll be trying to wiggle there way out of the funding

 

[Pippen94]

1. I don’t have a problem with Penrith. I said maybe to Adelaide. Last time I checked maybe is not a yes.
2. That is called a nuanced response. You do know the world is not black and white yeah and you have to think of problems, limitations and contexts. If you suggest that everybody plays at their suburban ground (which is all utopian and lovely etc) who is funding these upgrades? You can ignore that question if you want but it is pretty central.
3. Well I didn’t say that did I? I said that if they pay their bills they can stay. Same as with every other club. That’s a pretty clear response.

Minor disagreements. Ur leader Perth red might make U fall into line lol..

 

[Colk]

Minor disagreements. Ur leader Perth red might make U fall into line lol..

So you are going to ignore the nuances. You are also going to ignore the question?

This all typical of an ideologue.

 

[Gobsmacked]

I wouldn’t go that far. Security is a massive issue as you have identified.

You also wouldn’t necessarily have to consider a change to a government for the funding to be under threat. At the first chance that this is considered a vote loser they’ll be trying to wiggle there way out of the funding

In countries like PNG , civil war is always possible.
I have a friend who works up in the mines ( a compound!) That often misses flights because they're on " lock down "!
PNG is always on tender hooks, we just don't get news on it because it's every day " normal " . Only if people start burning villages and chopping limbs will we get news.
The thret is real.

 

[Wb1234]

Minor disagreements. Ur leader Perth red might make U fall into line lol..

Supreme chancellor Perth red palpatine

 

[Canard]

Did somebody say strawman?!

So, yes to Adelaide & Penrith. Yes to getting rid of suburban grounds. Danced around question, but probably would scrape or merge Sydney teams if possible. I'm afraid Ur one of them..

Haha, accuses someone of a strawman argument, then the VERY next post makes a strawman argument.

You can't write this stuff

 

[Gobsmacked]

Let's put an NRL team here..
It's what they really need.


What could possibly go wrong

 

[Wb1234]

Let's put an NRL team here..
It's what they really need.


What could possibly go wrong

Origin like

 

[Pippen94]

Let's put an NRL team here..
It's what they really need.


What could possibly go wrong

NRL thrives on tribalism

 

[Pippen94]

So you are going to ignore the nuances. You are also going to ignore the question?

This all typical of an ideologue.

Everybody in the Labor or liberal party don't believe in exactly the same thing on every issue, but their core beliefs are the same. Don't like it come over to the other side..

 

[Colk]

Everybody in the Labor or liberal party don't believe in exactly the same thing on every issue, but their core beliefs are the same. Don't like it come over to the other side..

What the hell are you on about? It’s almost like you are avoiding the nuance because you don’t want to consider it