New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Maximus]

wb wishes we were more like his beloved afl, and just did expansion for the sake of expansion. Just bring them in no matter how bad the bid is, and then have to support the failed clubs for decades.

 

[Matua]

Which proves what exactly? That you were wrong then and still wrong today?


Troll thread?
That's been consistently supported for nearly three years up until today on every metric- literally almost quoted word for word in a NZ publication a couple of months ago..and reiterated just today by one of the bids...
Pretty successful f**king troll lmao

I wasn't wrong then at all, the game was in the dumps, us NZers discussed it like adults in the NZ section, you chose to ignore any of that info because you're infant with typing skills.

I hope the growth in juniors can be maintained, I hope that numbers can increase in the area that @Matiunz and I are from because they're still not doing very well and not one of our schools entered a team in the national comp. Unlike you I don't death ride any sport, it's not zero sum for me, I got to cheer for both the Kiwis and ABs this weekend and it was great (aside from the performances of them both which were less than great).

And yeah it's a troll thread. You and your buddy Wb refuse to have a rational discussion about anything in this thread even when we try to have them. If you meet a legitimate point you don't like you deflect and move somewhere else. I mean you're the two idiots who claim AFB had a shit season when he won the DallyM prop of the year and Warriors players player of the year. But I'm sure you'll deflect somewhere rather than maybe just admit you're wrong on this one.

 

[Matua]

Or where I told him that the main reason for the drop in juniors was due to covid and will bounce back..
How you can be so wrong for so long and still maintain such arrogance is only possible for Union tossers.

This is just plain false, numbers were dropping in Auckland, by far the biggest playing area in NZ, well before Covid. The head of Auckland league specifically said they weren't "hiding behind covid" noting there had been year on year declines over 10 years.

 

[Matt_CBY]

Fair point,

Is it though?

Sounds like a biased point to me. Kinda like Liam Moore.

 

[Wb1234]

V’landys, who was in Christchurch to watch the Kangaroos play the Kiwis, also gave the New Zealand bid teams hope that all was not lost after the three bids from the South Island were rejected last week.

“They had 16,000 people here (on Sunday) and the atmosphere was terrific,” V’landys said.

“They’re getting a brand new stadium that’s going to fit 30,000 with the roof, which is very similar to CommBank Stadium.

“It was an opportune to do an assessment. There’s a lot of support over here for it because everywhere I went people were screaming out give us the team, give us a team.

“I was surprised at how well aware of it they are over here. It’s always traditionally been a very big rugby union area.”

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=DTWEB_MRE170_a&dest=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailytelegraph.com.au%2Fsport%2Fnrl%2Fnrl-expansion-arlc-in-talks-with-wa-government-over-plans-to-set-up-its-own-perthbased-bears-team%2Fnews-story%2F10e68dad48d756c3a7350aaef85a827f&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium&v21=ULTRALOW-Segment-1-SCORE

 

[Matiunz]

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Interesting how different that is from a warriors crowd

For both league and soccer

And the crowd was already down from a sellout in game one to 14k

Weren’t you implying last week that the teams inaugural game selling out meant that it was more popular than Union? The shiny new toy always gets initial interest, keeping it is the key. Auckland don’t play there again for a month, have a decent showing in that time and they’ll have a solid crowd, have a shit showing and the downward trend will likely continue.

VERY different demographic between soccer crowds in NZ and League crowds in NZ - hint you can even hear the different accent in the chants. They’re trying to emulate a European football vibe which is typically the opposite of a traditional NZ crowd.
Soccer tends to be a bandwagon sport that gets dramatic bumps in crowds whenever the teams are doing well with a few core supporter groups such as yellow fever when they’re not

Talk after the initial success that Christchurch may be a target for future A-League expansion, NZ2 needs to get moving

 

[Matiunz]

Nah, he's a chancer. The hype train of last year was down to the Covid hangover and finally getting games in NZ again, and Webby's new blood coming in (which stalled this year). Webby only came in because George's choice wasn't available. Arguably you can give him credit for the cheap tickets keeping fans involved but that is unsustainable long term.

Pre Covid under George was one of the worst Warriors eras with a journeyman Aussie focus from the club and awful signings like Lodge because George let the recruitment manager dominate.

People quickly forget that plenty were calling for his head after the “Alpha” debacle. The way he treated fans like idiots after acting like not only releasing Lodge when he was set to extend but paying him out a year he wasn’t entitled to was a good thing, anyone could see he f**ked up and it was hush money.
Still on the fence with him but credit where it’s due, the club have had a successful couple of years management wise which is no coincidence that it was when he stuck to staying out of the limelight

 

[Wb1234]

Weren’t you implying last week that the teams inaugural game selling out meant that it was more popular than Union? The shiny new toy always gets initial interest, keeping it is the key. Auckland don’t play there again for a month, have a decent showing in that time and they’ll have a solid crowd, have a shit showing and the downward trend will likely continue.

VERY different demographic between soccer crowds in NZ and League crowds in NZ - hint you can even hear the different accent in the chants. They’re trying to emulate a European football vibe which is typically the opposite of a traditional NZ crowd.
Soccer tends to be a bandwagon sport that gets dramatic bumps in crowds whenever the teams are doing well with a few core supporter groups such as yellow fever when they’re not

Talk after the initial success that Christchurch may be a target for future A-League expansion, NZ2 needs to get moving

I just want them to hang around long enough for mt smart to get upgraded

Well aware there an a league side in Auckland previously which didn’t work out

 

[flippikat]

Talk after the initial success that Christchurch may be a target for future A-League expansion, NZ2 needs to get moving

Yeah, and it looks like that covered rectangular stadium Christchurch is building has certainly put that city on the radar for expansion.

Three NZ teams - Auckland, Wellington & Christchurch-based - is a good footprint over here, and if Christchurch can snare an A-league AND an NRL club it might just drive some serious conversations around our venues in the other two cities - which I'd really welcome.

 

[flippikat]

I just want them to hang around long enough for mt smart to get upgraded

Well aware there an a league side in Auckland previously which didn’t work out

Slightly different circumstances in the early 2000s though - the A-league was a new & unproven league, there was no precident for how a NZ professional football club operated (the Phoenix have done a lot of work on this, learning a lot of lessons along the way), let alone gathered and fostered support.. and crucially, no big lead-investor/owner with experience & connections like the Black Knights have.

 

[Canard]

This comes across as very ignorant, to be honest. And does nothing to dispel the perception that he lives in a Sydney bubble:-

“I was surprised at how well aware of it they are over here. It’s always traditionally been a very big rugby union area.”

It shows, like some other posters here dont seem to understand, that NZers are much more likely to follow and/or understand both codes, without the prejudice that exists in QLD and NSW.

 

[Gobsmacked]

This comes across as very ignorant, to be honest. And does nothing to dispel the perception that he lives in a Sydney bubble:-


It shows, like some other posters here dont seem to understand, that NZers are much more likely to follow and/or understand both codes, without the prejudice that exists in QLD and NSWNSW

that prejudice exists all over the world

 

[Wb1234]

Slightly different circumstances in the early 2000s though - the A-league was a new & unproven league, there was no precident for how a NZ professional football club operated (the Phoenix have done a lot of work on this, learning a lot of lessons along the way), let alone gathered and fostered support.. and crucially, no big lead-investor/owner with experience & connections like the Black Knights have.

A league is dieing

Funding for clubs has gone from around 2 million per club to around 500k per club

Crowds are down massively and the tv deal as well

It’s in a death spiral

Owners will get sick of losing 2 to 3 million pa

The battle in Australia to see which dies first … a league or super rugby is very interesting

 

[Wb1234]

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[Matiunz]

Slightly different circumstances in the early 2000s though - the A-league was a new & unproven league, there was no precident for how a NZ professional football club operated (the Phoenix have done a lot of work on this, learning a lot of lessons along the way), let alone gathered and fostered support.. and crucially, no big lead-investor/owner with experience & connections like the Black Knights have.

Also being based at North Harbour stadium doesn’t seem to work out for anyone, mt Smart seems to have a much better atmosphere.
Can see demographic wise why they went to North Harbour last time

 

[flippikat]

Also being based at North Harbour stadium doesn’t seem to work out for anyone, mt Smart seems to have a much better atmosphere.
Can see demographic wise why they went to North Harbour last time

Forgot about that - yeah, North Harbour is a very odd beast.. kinda like an answer looking for it's question - and pretty much symptomatic of all that was wrong with having *how many* different councils all off doing their own vanity projects?

 

[Matiunz]

I just want them to hang around long enough for mt smart to get upgraded

Well aware there an a league side in Auckland previously which didn’t work out

As much as I’d like an upgraded Go Media or even better a commbank style waterfront I believe the A-League team is only a temporary tenant at this stage

 

[Matua]

As much as I’d like an upgraded Go Media or even better a commbank style waterfront I believe the A-League team is only a temporary tenant at this stage

Are they supposed to be going to the proposed Western Springs development?

 

[Matiunz]

Are they supposed to be going to the proposed Western Springs development?

That’s what I heard, smaller boutique stadium

 

[Wb1234]

That’s what I heard, smaller boutique stadium

A league sides make big promises of funding their own stadia then nothing happens