New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Wb1234]

Wow …look at this …

arguing both sides of the street …again lol

Maybe if you read the thread before jumping in blindly it would help lol

 

[BuffaloRules]

Maybe if you read the thread before jumping in blindly it would help lol

No ..I agree everything you said in the previous comment …lol

 

[Wb1234]

No ..I agree everything you said in the previous comment …lol

So do I lol

 

[BuffaloRules]

So do I lol

The NRL TV deal and how much money the NZRU are giving Australia wont enter into to it

 

[Wb1234]

The NRL TV deal and how much money the NZRU are giving Australia wont enter into to it

Why are you repeating old arguments which have already been discussed ?

Lol

 

[Gobsmacked]

So this will all change because they move from one NRL team to two?

When you double the amount of anything it changes. .. usually by DOUBLE.

 

[Wb1234]

When you double the amount of anything it changes. .. usually by DOUBLE.

Last year super rugby and nrl got almost identical tv ratings in nz

With a second nrl side that would mean at club level the nrl is dominant in terms of tv viewers in nz

 

[BuffaloRules]

When you double the amount of anything it changes. .. usually by DOUBLE.

Look Gobby … I can’t put the argument any better than this mate ..particularly using the AFL in QLD as an example …

Reality is 2 nrl sides won’t see league overtake union maybe not even with 3 sides

Union has a junior base we don’t have and a semi pro comp which covers the whole country

Plus crowds for kiwis games are awful

League has a long way to go but the fact it’s even being discussed is a good thing

Just saying league is taking over from Union jf we get a side is like afl is taking over in Brisbane we need another nrl side.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Lol, adding a second team doesn't automatically double your fan base or viewers.

Peanuts, get your Peanuts.

 

[Gobsmacked]

Look Gobby … I can’t put the argument any better than this mate ..particularly using the AFL in QLD as an example …

That's a very dumb argument.

Firstly, please take your time digesting the FACT that ALL rugby league growth came directly from taking a market from rugby union. ALL . Which is now a billion dollar industry. Took over the North of England, Sydney, then Brisbane, then pockets of Auckland, the south of France,,Canberra and now dominates all Rugby in Australia and Auckland and over the last few years is gaining massively right across NZ with sell-outs right across NZ .
Rugby league has over a hundred years of taking market share from Rugby union.

League or Union ( Rugby) is entirely different to AFL .. entirely. The only commonality is that they both use a ball .
There's over a hundred years of the barassy line staying in tack meaning simply that those who enjoy either Rugby codes don't appreciate AFL and vis versa.

 

[taste2taste]

The rhetoric of league/NRL will overtake Rugby in NZ is a bit far fetched isn't it? It has similar vibes to that of soccer will become one of the major sports in USA after the 94 World Cup. It didn't, it hasn't and it won't.

A second NRL NZ team will without a shred of doubt garner support, it will give more potential union/league athletes another avenue to pursue their professional careers in, it will make further inroads in overall rugby league credentials in NZ. Of course, all those go without saying really.

But it won't over take Rugby, well not in our lifetime. It will only close the gap a bit. Look I've suffered some concussions over the years, this is true but even me with 4 brain cells left and borderline diabetes knows Rugby reigns supreme in NZ and whilst it might currently be in a somewhat lull it'll only take the AB's and their super rugby teams putting on a show to get interest back up.

What's the terminology we read a lot here? "Rusted on"?

Theres no reason league can’t overtake Union in nz in the next 20 years.

i love my boxing, it was unmatached as the worlds no 1 combat sport, then along came a more exciting sport that was run by a far more professional organisation, in just 10 years the UFC had completely overtaken boxing as the number 1 combat sport.

 

[taste2taste]

The wages that the nrl will go to is something that neither Australia or nz can match

have we got any figures what the nrl salary cap will be in the coming years ?

 

[BuffaloRules]

That's a very dumb argument.

Firstly, please take your time digesting the FACT that ALL rugby league growth came directly from taking a market from rugby union. ALL . Which is now a billion dollar industry. Took over the North of England, Sydney, then Brisbane, then pockets of Auckland, the south of France,,Canberra and now dominates all Rugby in Australia and Auckland and over the last few years is gaining massively right across NZ with sell-outs right across NZ .
Rugby league has over a hundred years of taking market share from Rugby union.

League or Union ( Rugby) is entirely different to AFL .. entirely. The only commonality is that they both use a ball .
There's over a hundred years of the barassy line staying in tack meaning simply that those who enjoy either Rugby codes don't appreciate AFL and vis versa.

@Wb1234 …. This guy is calling your argument dumb !!!

We are talking about one code of football replacing another one Gobby …which might have happened over a century ago in Bradford and in Sydney …but doesnt happen that often these days … anywhere around the world for any kind of football code

And as I presume you are not a fortune teller …and we are arguing about something which may/ may not happen …I think it’s over the top to say one prediction over another is dumb,,, even if one is from Wb1234 who doesn’t get much correct ..

I think both sides of the predictions have been argued ….Happy to bookmark this for 15 years … if Rugby League has become bigger than Rugby Union in NZ feel free to take your victory lap at that stage …

 

[Wb1234]

have we got any figures what the nrl salary cap will be in the coming years ?

Depends on the tv deal they are about to sign hence the new teams being added

Current deal is around 400 million pa and new deal should be around 530 to 550 million pa

Plus revenue is rising around 30 million pa from non broadcast revenue

Clubs will want more money for agreeing to expansion and the nrl will want some too for the nswrl and qrl etc

My guess would be a salary cap of 15 million and nrl clubs receiving 22 to 25 million each

Top wages will go up to 2 to 2.5 million pa

They could be higher but the clubs will take a big chunk of the new revenue

 

[Wb1234]

@Wb1234 …. This guy is calling your argument stupid !!!

We are talking about one code of football replacing another one Gobby …which might have happened over a century ago in Bradford and in Sydney …but doesnt happen that often these days … anywhere around the world for any kind of football code

And as I presume you are not a fortune teller …and we are arguing about something which may/ may not happen …I think it’s over the top to say one prediction over another is dumb,,, even if one is from Wb1234 who doesn’t get much correct ..

I think both sides of the predictions have been argued ….Happy to bookmark this for 15 years … if Rugby League has become bigger than Rugby Union in NZ feel free to take your victory lap at that stage …

lol
What exactly are you arguing ?

Can league overtake union in nz? Sure it can but it’s a long way down the track and a second nrl team isn’t close to enough to do it

 

[BuffaloRules]

lol
What exactly are you arguing ?

Can league overtake union in nz? Sure it can but it’s a long way down the track and a second nrl team isn’t close to enough to do it

lol - anything is possible I guess…but I agree if it happens it’s a LONG way down the track

 

[Wb1234]

lol - anything is possible I guess…but I agree if it happens it’s a LONG way down the track

And a second nrl side In nz is a massive step forward

 

[BuffaloRules]

And a second nrl side In nz is a massive step forward

Of course it’s a step forward ..,, who is saying otherwise ?

 

[titoelcolombiano]

TIME TO TACKLE ALL BLACKS

Peter Jenkins
The NRL can topple the All Blacks as the dominant force in New Zealand sport by fast-tracking a second team into the Shaky Isles.
The call comes from two high-profile Kiwi administrators with extensive experience in both codes who sense a seismic shift in the escalating war for hearts, minds and talent.
David Moffett, who headed up NZ Rugby, NSW Rugby, Welsh Rugby, Sport England and the NRL during the 1990s and early 2000s, told the Daily Telegraph that rugby union in NZ was no longer impregnable against the rising threat of rugby league.
His view was shared by Trevor McKewen, an ex-commercial and marketing boss at NZ Rugby, former Warriors CEO and a current media identity who said the NRL should act quickly to launch sport’s ultimate palace coup.
“I’ve never seen NZ Rugby face an existential crisis like this,” McKewen said last night. “I’ve never seen the game in a more vulnerable state.
“This perfect storm has arrived. NZ Rugby has significant financial woes and it has a governance structure a review has found as not fit for purpose.
“On top of that, the NRL is building a huge following in NZ and the talented 15-year-olds who once only thought of playing for the All Blacks are now playing both codes. They’re watching NRL and seeing the opportunities.
“NZ Rugby has always sold this narrative that the ABs are the greatest team in the history of sport. That’s now a myth … the allure of the All Blacks jersey is nowhere near as strong as it has been historically.
“The NRL can capitalise on that momentum with a second team here. They just need to appreciate the opportunity that exists. Don’t wait five or more years. Grab it by the throat now.
“With a second team the NRL will have games in NZ every week for seven months. That visibility and accessibility will have a massive impact.
“Super Rugby has lost its way and the All Blacks play at home five or six times a year. The NRL would have a constant presence driving talkability, coverage and participation, all key measures for popularity.”
Moffett is CEO at the South Island Kea consortium that is bidding for inclusion to the NRL as part of the competition’s proposed expansion.
After a recent rejection, Moffett has called for a meeting with NRL CEO Andrew Abdo to work through the NRL’s bid requirements.
From his Christchurch base, Moffett said teams on both islands would deliver an instant national rivalry and significantly more content in NZ, and the sooner the better to take advantage of the All Blacks’ declining fortunes.
“The All Blacks have been the beacon of NZ sport for more than a century,” he said. “But there are now cracks in the wall.”
New Zealand has lost its last four Tests to South Africa, three of its last six to Ireland and its two most recent Tests against France. The All Blacks have also lost two of their last six Tests against Argentina.
Their most notable winning record is against the Wallabies – nine Test victories in a row.

I mean, if the Warriors were even moderately successful and consistent you'd see them pushing the case already.

It's great that the game is growing hugely in popularity but we need either the Warriors, Kiwis or NZ2 to dominate and you'll see it go to a whole other level.

NZers aren't going to abandon a successful ABs side that put their nation on the map for a Warriors side constantly running 12th with a once a decade finals cameo or a Kiwis team that piss of 2023s most in demand coach after pummeling the Kangaroos, replace him with Kidwell 2.0 and suddenly find themselves in a relegation battle with PNG FFS.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

lol - You are trying to argue about how small Union in NZ is ..because the NRL MIGHT increase from one team to two…

If there isn't a top line high paying Union comp in NZ, the talent will just start flowing even more so to the NRL, not just to the two NZ NRL teams but the 18 Australian ones just a short flight from home. Union won't be able to compete for talent in that situation