New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Vlad59]

That 1m and 700k stat you keep quoting is from 2023 and comparing a match in the morning to a prime time finals match. IIRC at the time you claimed the Warriors would get better ratings.

I never made any predictions about the NRL deal (Te Kaha did) or the rugby deal. Furthermore, we don't have any confirmed figures for either rugby or the NRL, it's all just speculation about rugby and no idea about the NRL as there's been no indication about what any new deal will be anyway.

You do realise this bloke is certifiably insane don’t you?

 

[Wb1234]

That 1m and 700k stat you keep quoting is from 2023 and comparing a match in the morning to a prime time finals match. IIRC at the time you claimed the Warriors would get better ratings.

I never made any predictions about the NRL deal (Te Kaha did) or the rugby deal. Furthermore, we don't have any confirmed figures for either rugby or the NRL, it's all just speculation about rugby and no idea about the NRL as there's been no indication about what any new deal will be anyway.

Yeh I did say the warriors would win that ratings battle

Just shows when they are doing well 100k becomes 700k plus

The problem is an underperforming warriors side is used as a benchmark for rugby league in nz

Second nz side could be like the crusaders (same city, maybe something In the water?)

They would rate their tits off

Or if the warriors start accessing the kiwi talent pool properly and getting the best nz players

Jfh is a great signing he should be captain

 

[Matiunz]

Yeh I did say the warriors would win that ratings battle

Just shows when they are doing well 100k becomes 700k plus

The problem is an underperforming warriors side is used as a benchmark for rugby league in nz

Second nz side could be like the crusaders (same city, maybe something In the water?)

They would rate their tits off

Or if the warriors start accessing the kiwi talent pool properly and getting the best nz players

Jfh is a great signing he should be captain

Will be interesting to see how much interest NZ2 gains outside of the SI(danger of targeting the team to 20% of the population) Crusaders example- despite their success are universally hated outside of Canterbury, NRL example would be Storm
Captaincy seems to be a 2 horse race between JFH and Barnett, I’d suspect Webby will lean towards Barnett to take some pressure off JFH already with high expectations

 

[SpaceMonkey]

So most nrl games would clash with a super rugby game or be at a bad time slot ?

And still outrate super rugby easily

Non-Warriors NRL games rate about as well as Super Rugby games with no NZ sides in them. In other words, poorly.

 

[flippikat]

Will be interesting to see how much interest NZ2 gains outside of the SI(danger of targeting the team to 20% of the population) Crusaders example- despite their success are universally hated outside of Canterbury, NRL example would be Storm

The Orca bid has me conflicted - the idea that they'd "cover" Wellington as a secondary market for a game (or games) each season offers a mouth-watering prospect for us game-starved fans here in the capital - and it DOES help broaden the prospective supporter base for that 2nd NZ team beyond just the 20% of NZ's population in the South Island.....

HOWEVER there's that nagging thought in my head that it might preclude the NRL from considering a 3rd NZ team for a long time - if ever - if the 3 biggest NZ cities can be "covered" by two teams.

Maybe it'd strategically be better for NZ in the long run if NZ 2 was a South Island focused team (Mostly Christchurch, some games in Dunedin.. maybe a trial in Nelson or on the West Coast), and the Warriors moving their one "Home away from home" game back to being in Wellington once NZ 2 debuts, until such time as NZ 3 happens (based in Wellington).

At that stage, the question would become "How do the Auckland & Wellington based teams divide the North Island?"

 

[Matiunz]

The Orca bid has me conflicted - the idea that they'd "cover" Wellington as a secondary market for a game (or games) each season offers a mouth-watering prospect for us game-starved fans here in the capital - and it DOES help broaden the prospective supporter base for that 2nd NZ team beyond just the 20% of NZ's population in the South Island.....

HOWEVER there's that nagging thought in my head that it might preclude the NRL from considering a 3rd NZ team for a long time - if ever - if the 3 biggest NZ cities can be "covered" by two teams.

Maybe it'd strategically be better for NZ in the long run if NZ 2 was a South Island focused team (Mostly Christchurch, some games in Dunedin.. maybe a trial in Nelson or on the West Coast), and the Warriors moving their one "Home away from home" game back to being in Wellington once NZ 2 debuts, until such time as NZ 3 happens (based in Wellington).

At that stage, the question would become "How do the Auckland & Wellington based teams divide the North Island?"

Yeah I hear you but also the 35+ years it will be between NZ 1 and NZ2 means it’d be unlikely I’d have too much time to enjoy NZ3 anyways lol

 

[Dabbabi]

Fancy a forum site having speculation on it.

Are Storm still universally hated? Sounds juvenile.

 

[Wb1234]

Yeah I hear you but also the 35+ years it will be between NZ 1 and NZ2 means it’d be unlikely I’d have too much time to enjoy NZ3 anyways lol

Might be as little as ten years

Depending on how successful Christchurch are (warriors too in terms of crowds etc)

And also how much money the nrl generate in future tv deals esp nz

The biggest issue to more teams is need more players so png and nz need time to grow

Plus lack of good coaches

 

[flippikat]

Might be as little as ten years

Depending on how successful Christchurch are (warriors too in terms of crowds etc)

And also how much money the nrl generate in future tv deals esp nz

The biggest issue to more teams is need more players so png and nz need time to grow

Plus lack of good coaches

Yip, that's the rub - if NZ 2 is a success & shows-up the Warriors, then that would indicate to the NRL that it's NOT a given that NZ clubs will underperform by default (because "NZ doesn't have a winning RL culture" right?)

Which opens the door for a 3rd NZ club.

So, uhh.. no pressure Christchurch

 

[Canard]

I'd suggest New Zealand's issue is one of demographic and population, not on- field success.

NZ2 is years away, NZ3 is a "not in our lifetime" timetable.

Despite all the bluster, the NRL has expanded by a grand total of 1 since 2007, and even that was totally subsidised by the taxpayer.

 

[SirPies&Beers]

I'd suggest New Zealand's issue is one of demographic and population, not on- field success.

NZ2 is years away, NZ3 is a "not in our lifetime" timetable.

Despite all the bluster, the NRL has expanded by a grand total of 1 since 2007, and even that was totally subsidised by the taxpayer.

two
dolphins and papua

 

[Matua]

You do realise this bloke is certifiably insane don’t you?

I come back to this thread for a few days of shitfighting with him and his bestie Gob, Gobs multis, and their little reach around club. But I don't take it that seriously.

 

[flippikat]

I'd suggest New Zealand's issue is one of demographic and population, not on- field success.

NZ2 is years away, NZ3 is a "not in our lifetime" timetable.

Despite all the bluster, the NRL has expanded by a grand total of 1 since 2007, and even that was totally subsidised by the taxpayer.

I wouldn't be so fast to dismiss the chances of NZ 3.

All it takes is a change of administration to one that wants to more aggressively attack rugby union in it's stronghold.

We've already seen a sea-change from the Gallop years of umm-ing and ahh-ing to a "make things happen" setup now, who knows what the leadership might be thinking in 15-20 years time from now.

 

[Wb1234]

two
dolphins and papua

Gold Coast weren’t in there in 98

 

[AlwaysGreen]

New Zealand 4 is what we should be discussing. Rugby union has been crushed and New Zealand's population are all dedicated servants of Rugby league.

The disbanding of the NZ government with V'landys put in as Glorious Leader and President for Life will be finalised by March.

 

[SirPies&Beers]

Gold Coast weren’t in there in 98

he saids since 2007 so after titans. only 2. phins and papua
kiwi's 2 and west aussie bears pending.

 

[SirPies&Beers]

New Zealand 4 is what we should be discussing. Rugby union has been crushed and New Zealand's population are all dedicated servants of Rugby league.

The disbanding of the NZ government with V'landys put in as Glorious Leader and President for Life will be finalised by March.

shut up alwaysloser youre not funny dummy

 

[Matua]

New Zealand 4 is what we should be discussing. Rugby union has been crushed and New Zealand's population are all dedicated servants of Rugby league.

The disbanding of the NZ government with V'landys put in as Glorious Leader and President for Life will be finalised by March.

TBF, this wouldn't be so bad, he can't be any worse than the little far right dictator from a minor coalition party we have running the country now.

As long as he bases one of the league teams in my home province then I'm fully onboard.

 

[Canard]

I wouldn't be so fast to dismiss the chances of NZ 3.

All it takes is a change of administration to one that wants to more aggressively attack rugby union in it's stronghold.

We've already seen a sea-change from the Gallop years of umm-ing and ahh-ing to a "make things happen" setup now, who knows what the leadership might be thinking in 15-20 years time from now.

15 to 20 years is very much "not in our lifetime" for quite a few posters here...

I think growing RL is the goal, to pretend that we can suddenly "kill" Union with one new team in NZ, is crazy AFL Fanboy stuff though.

 

[Wb1234]

“If Sky’s drastic cutback in pricing is confirmed, as expected, there are heavy implications for the likes of player salaries and other costs.

NZR would need to bridge the gap as much as possible with other broadcasters, here and internationally, for matches not covered by the Sky deal.”


Wonder how many more tests they need to play to make up that lost revenue

Sky deal cut from 111 mill nz to 85 million

Full article is on tv rights thread

TV rights upheaval: Sky in line for critical All Blacks deal and then a possible takeover

NZ rugby TV rights are now open to negotiation for global streamers: What are fans in for?

www.nzherald.co.nz

“Sky certainly believes that rugby has no other option,” said one source.
Another said: “While rugby is very, very important to you and I as New Zealanders, it doesn’t even work in Australia. Rugby is the third sport in winter [behind AFL and league], and the fourth when you count cricket during the summer.”

Lilley the sky deal also included the new global competition being introduced

Article speculates that losing the union rights would improve cash flow for the company