New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[Wb1234]

lol, given the alleged talent you keep telling us about in NZ their comp could be 'more elite' than the Aussie ones

Its like you cant understand that if you developed 10 NZ clubs to QRL cup level they would be playing elite level every week. So why is it that you think that a NZ club, with the right funding, couldnt develop to QRL level? Seems to me with all that talent sitting around it wouldnt be too hard a task.

You can have all the talent in the world

If you don’t know how to grind or play 80 minutes against the best you will win nothing

You said it before those elite Aussie pathways sit atop a pyramid of tens of thousands of juniors way more than nz will ever have

Kiwi junior sides get to play regularly against those elites

You think taking that away is a good thing ?

 

[Wb1234]

You’ve got the best juniors in nz league mixing time between union and league

And we don’t even pick from all the best players since most go to union, and that’s a nation of 5.2 million vs nsw and qld with close to 14 million and league being the dominant rugby code and getting the pick of the best juniors ?

 

[Perth Red]

Queensland population 5.2mill
NZ population 5.2mill

QRL cup clubs = 15

No reason a 10 NZ club comp couldn't be developed to that standard with the right level of investment.

 

[Wb1234]

Queensland population 5.2mill
NZ population 5.2mill

QRL cup clubs = 15

No reason a 10 NZ club comp couldn't be developed to that standard with the right level of investment.

Have you heard about ru? It’s kinda a thing in nz

 

[Perth Red]

Have you heard about ru? It’s kinda a thing in nz

I thought RU kids were going to jump to RL when they got a second team? Wasnt that your argument?

 

[Wb1234]

I thought RU kids were going to jump to RL when they got a second team? Wasnt that your argument?

Getting 50 sure

Getting the hundreds you want will cost a lot

Maybe you should google the lion red or bartercard cup to get a clue

Heck even the nzru can’t afford running its current junior systems and is cutting back

You just want the nrl to flush down 30 million pa down the toilet for a participation trophy comp like the afl have in nsw

 

[Wb1234]

https://www.sporty.co.nz/wellingtonleague/newsarticle/143755?

Then the bartercard cup was tried and failed

 

[Perth Red]

Getting 50 sure

Getting the hundreds you want will cost a lot

Maybe you should google the lion red or bartercard cup to get a clue

Heck even the nzru can’t afford running its current junior systems and is cutting back

You just want the nrl to flush down 30 million pa down the toilet for a participation trophy comp like the afl have in nsw

yeh it will, $27million.

Give 10 NZ RL clubs a grant of $2.5mill a year and we'd see.

Yeh having a third system the strength of NSWRL and QRL would be terrible for the game and NZ lol

 

[Perth Red]

https://www.sporty.co.nz/wellingtonleague/newsarticle/143755?

Then the bartercard cup was tried and failed

Not the $'s to make it work. NZRL doesn't have the money, the NRL does.

24,000 RL players in NZ is more than enough to support 10 elite QRL cup level clubs.

 

[Wb1234]

yeh it will, $27million.

Give 10 NZ RL clubs a grant of $2.5mill a year and we'd see.

Yeh having a third system the strength of NSWRL and QRL would be terrible for the game and NZ lol

You want the nrl to spend 30 million pa on a comp with dubious benefits when the new club can just play in the existing Aussie comps far more effectively and the game saves 30 million

lol!

 

[Perth Red]

You want the nrl to spend 30 million pa on a comp with dubious benefits when the new club can just play in the existing Aussie comps far more effectively and the game saves 30 million

lol!

Hang on you are the one whose been championing all the wasted talent in NZ. So have two clubs running these age group sides and having to fly them back and forth to Australia, or have 10 clubs developing 5 times the amount of players for the NRL. Hmmm tough choice.

50 players in 2 NZ NRL teams systems at each age group playing in Australian comps

or 250 players in 10 club system playing in NZ against NZ'ers. Easy choice if prepared to make the investment.

 

[John bird]

Better for the NRL to pump money directly into a 2nd New Zealand NRL side and have this team take the cream of the RL&RU junior crop rather than waste it on a twice failed domestic competition.

investing in NZ2 would yield far better results.

 

[Wb1234]

Hang on you are the one whose been championing all the wasted talent in NZ. So have two clubs running these age group sides and having to fly them back and forth to Australia, or have 10 clubs developing 5 times the amount of players for the NRL. Hmmm tough choice.

50 players in 2 NZ NRL teams systems at each age group playing in Australian comps

or 250 players in 10 club system playing in NZ against NZ'ers. Easy choice if prepared to make the investment.

I’d have four nz nrl sides over time

You need to get out of that afl centric thinking they will throw crazy money away for little return

Every team that’s being admitted to the nrl has to have a strong platform for growing juniors

Orcas have said they will have academies all over nz for up to 200 kids

 

[Wb1234]

Better for the NRL to pump money directly into a 2nd New Zealand NRL side and have this team take the cream of the RL&RU junior crop rather than waste it on a twice failed domestic competition.

investing in NZ2 would yield far better results.

Nrl club grant approx 17.5 million plus bonuses
Salary cap 12.5 million

Leaves 5 million pa per club for juniors development officers etc

 

[SirPies&Beers]

Not the $'s to make it work. NZRL doesn't have the money, the NRL does.

24,000 RL players in NZ is more than enough to support 10 elite QRL cup level clubs.

it would take awhile to get to qrl level cob. have you even watched a q-cup game before? lol outside tba/west clydesdales who only have recently been reinstated in the comp and dont have a genuine feeder system yet (dogs pulled out) or really have a core group of players yet, every other club is competitive. some better some seasons than others sure, but you get some belter games with great prospects in em

i dont think you have a true understanding of the local game in queensland and seem to be very brush off of it.

but hey perthwrongs, ding dong

 

[Perth Red]

Better for the NRL to pump money directly into a 2nd New Zealand NRL side and have this team take the cream of the RL&RU junior crop rather than waste it on a twice failed domestic competition.

investing in NZ2 would yield far better results.

Never been done with proper investment. If your telling me you dont think you could create a qrl cup level comp with 10 clubs getting $2.5mill grant each then Id say NZ isnt the hotbed of Rl potential talent everyone makes it out to be.

 

[Wb1234]

Never been done with proper investment. If your telling me you dont think you could create a qrl cup level comp with 10 clubs getting $2.5mill grant each then Id say NZ isnt the hotbed of Rl potential talent everyone makes it out to be.

Not like 32 percent of nrl players are kiwis and that’s from one hugely underperforming nrl club

 

[Perth Red]

Anyone find it strange they launched this bid AFTER the NRL called for bids? How come it wasnt one of the 9 submitted in August?

Mana Pasifika bids for historic NRL spot

The franchise aims to retain young Pacific talent and strengthen rugby league ties in New Zealand.

pmn.co.nz

 

[Perth Red]

Not like 32 percent of nrl players are kiwis and that’s from one hugely underperforming nrl club

Thanks for making my point. 116 NRL players born in NZ. Countless NZ born players in QRL cup and NSWRL cup as well as other age groups. Yet NZ couldn't possibly build a 10 side comp to match QRL? Please.

 

[John bird]

Never been done with proper investment. If your telling me you dont think you could create a qrl cup level comp with 10 clubs getting $2.5mill grant each then Id say NZ isnt the hotbed of Rl potential talent everyone makes it out to be.

Union and the pull of Australia for young kiwi RL talent would always make a domestic New Zealand RL competition inferior and 2nd rate compared to others.