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Newscorp And Rugby League

Danish

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It is my understanding that no where in the world does Netflix cover sport. So why would they start here?

If they were to cover sport I could see it doing the EPL or one of the American sports, where their is a huge market

The EPL won't partner with Netflix. They don't have any partnerships at all with streaming services anywhere in the world, not even a game pass type service like all the yank sports have.

I think Netflix or Google (via youtube) could very well like to test the waters partnering with 9 to produce the remaining 4 games while they stream it out live. Very little risk for them and very high reward as Australian's are used to paying a premium for such services.

I guess the issue though is how much will they be able to charge for access? A million subscribers at $100 a pop is obviously well short per annum compared to what we'd be hoping to get from pay TV, but the difference may be made up in advertising during the broadcasts
 

DC_fan

Coach
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Take the whole NRL/AFL sports rights out of the equation.

It's essentially one technology -- subscription cable/satellite TV -- which is based around the concept of forcing consumers into packages with unwanted material vs digital streaming on multi-platform where the user is free to choose their own content by simply logging on. In many cases the price point is cheaper and the quality comparison the same.

The thing is the older tech providers know the migration is occurring. The problem is they're bound to the investment in the old tech so they have to outlay two sets of costs at the same time to prevent consumer migration. As they can't dominate the new market, new players who can offer more flexibility and variety can stake a claim. By the time the migration is completed, the old players may end up losing market share and/or collapsing altogether.

Sport is one of the few things keeping users on old systems. Once that starts migrating, the churn will accelerate. It is inevitable.

You could also be talking about FTA here with what you say.

You are right TV is old technology. I remember being part of a conversation about 10 years ago as to where TV, be it FTA or subscription was headed for. My thought at that time was that TV and the internet would eventually come together and the internet would be the big winner. While we haven't quite reached that point we are certainly headed in that direction.

I believe the deal with C.9 will be the last FTA deal the NRL signs. If and when we sign a deal with Fox Sports, it maybe the last deal to be with subscription TV.
 

adamkungl

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What did kent say this time?

Who cares? That's my point.

But if you must know..

Watching Kent last night made me feel embarrassed for the stupid kent.

He was carrying on like a f**king 2 year old who had just had his toys taken off him. Talk about a mouthpiece of the organisation. That's all he is.

I think the bleating from the usual Foxtel and media hacks has been outstanding so far. Rupey probably thinks he is winning the battle by getting everyone (admittedly his own employees) up in arms over this deal.

Unfortunately, I think Dave Smith is a bit smarter than that, and knows he can bide his time and work out a deal that is fair to both parties.

Personally, I hope they f**k Foxtel off altogether, can't see it happening this time around though. I'm already debating whether to keep my Foxtel sub or not, it's not looking good for them though.
 

Jason Maher

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Obvious bait is obvious, and every last one of you has taken it. For anyone who thinks Rupert's comments are in any way a reflection of his personal views on the relative merits of the two codes, I have a bridge for sale...
 

Edwahu

Bench
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We should sell the streaming rights to Pornhub. Their premium service even supports virtual reality... so a mate told me :sarcasm:
 

Dogs Of War

Coach
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You would think if they were going down the Netflix path it wouldn't just be Netflix but someone like an
Optus or tpg as well who would get more internet/phone subscribers if they didn't charge for bandwidth used when watching matches. That would make more sense to me and would also spread the risk
 
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docbrown

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The Press Gallery just started in the lunch room talking about AFL and the globalisation of the sport moving forward.

I laughed and left.

They aren't that stupid to honestly believe it could take off anywhere? It can't even take off in NSW/QLD.

Nothing better than a liquid lunch.

Just heard the Fumbler Fairy say a month ago they were looking at taking the same option the NRL did.

\My thought at that time was that TV and the internet would eventually come together and the internet would be the big winner. While we haven't quite reached that point we are certainly headed in that direction.

I believe the deal with C.9 will be the last FTA deal the NRL signs. If and when we sign a deal with Fox Sports, it maybe the last deal to be with subscription TV.

It's quite possible.
 

Cletus

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Obvious bait is obvious, and every last one of you has taken it. For anyone who thinks Rupert's comments are in any way a reflection of his personal views on the relative merits of the two codes, I have a bridge for sale...

They clearly are his personal opinions but I guess nothing has changed. He has always favoured AFL and talked up their expansion prospects.

Contrast that with the NRL, where it was actually in his financial interests to promote growth of League but he did the exact opposite and let the game run on a shoestring budget while taking out 'dividends' for nearly destroying the game in the first place. The editorial coverage that League has had from News for the last 20 years has been appalling, I mean the Tele has a Rugby League writer in Rebecca Wilson who actually hates the game and only comes up with negative articles. Every time there is a scandal they are all over it, you'll never see the puff pieces AFL gets despite it being in News interests. Murdoch is prone to these weird ideological agendas that are completely illogical, and it's pretty clear that he has basically wanted to destroy League for the entire time he has been involved in it.
 

Eddie Lab

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roy's opinion on the deal

When ARLC chairman John Grant and his chief executive Dave Smith strode confidently into Catalina restaurant in Rose Bay on August 11, their hosts were shocked they would have the gall to appear.
The pair had accepted an invitation to attend a lunch as part of a VIP gathering where News Corporation boss, Rupert Murdoch, would speak.
Yet earlier the previous day, as Murdoch's jet touched down in Sydney, an ARLC press release announced a $925m five year deal for Channel Nine to broadcast four NRL games per week plus State of Origin from 2018.
It blindsided almost everyone, including Fox Sports boss Patrick Delany, who had not received the customary phone call warning him his free-to-air partner in the existing NRL rights deal had effectively divorced him.
Murdoch's executives were furious their 100 per cent owned pay TV company had been frozen out, with one half jokingly suggesting the seating plan at the restaurant be reconfigured to place Grant and Smith adjacent to the restaurant's "shit house door."
It was the second time the Murdochs had been shunned.
Rupert's son, Lachlan, when boss of Channel Ten, was confident he would secure the 2013-17 NRL free-to-air rights but was beaten by the Nine/Fox Sports consortium which paid $1.025 billion in last minute furious negotiations where News Limited was forced to surrender its first and last rights hold over the game, effective to 2027.
It was a costly loss for News who had spent over a billion dollars fighting a three-year Super League war to win the first and last rights to 2022 and had them extended to 2027 as a condition of its exit from the NRL when the ARLC was formed under Grant.
It helped cost News Ltd's then chief executive, Kim Williams, his job but, ironically, he has re-appeared as an AFL commissioner where he was publicly thanked by AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan for his role in negotiating Tuesday's announced $2.508 billion six-year broadcasting deal with News Corporation, Seven West Media and Telstra.
Enmities are put aside in business and rugby league when the parties re-enter the same tent, as we found when Wayne Bennett convinced Lachlan he should return to coach the Broncos, despite the master coach's oft expressed view he was "off" with News.
Ditto a smiling Seven Media boss Kerry Stokes, who bitterly challenged News Ltd in court over its alleged role in the closure of C7, yet joined with Rupert at Tuesday's AFL press conference.
The ARLC will be hoping the next two years will see a similar tempering of relations with News Corporation in order to sell the remaining four NRL games per week to Fox Sports for a fee which brings the total value of the 2018-22 rights to $2 billion.
It is unlikely it will reach the AFL's $2.508 billion, even allowing for the fact this deal is for six years, not five and the AFL has an additional game - nine compared to the NRL's eight - to sell.
Murdoch's executives were so embittered over being blindsided by the Nine/NRL deal, they resolved to do a joint free-to-air/pay TV AFL deal, with Foxtel paying an amount which more than doubles the $625m they currently pay.
The total rights deal is an amount they calculate Grant and Smith cannot equal.
This was reflected at Tuesday's press conference where Murdoch senior said "we have always preferred Aussie Rules", despite fighting a war to half own rugby league and maintaining its 67 per cent control of the NRL's premier club, the Brisbane Broncos.
It is likely News Corporation's Australian mastheads, particularly Brisbane's Courier Mail, will join an aggressive push to promote AFL, with chief executive Robert Thomson, repeating his vow at Tuesday's AFL press conference to "see its (AFL's) reach extended particularly in NSW and Queensland."
Hell hath no fury like a media mogul scorned, with the ARLC blindside tackle gifting the code's main rival $500m.
Nevertheless, the ARL commissioners are confident Fox Sports will be forced to do a deal, even though the courteous Delany is no longer talking to them.
Fox Sports needs NSW and Queensland to maintain its subscription base and faces massive churn if it loses NRL.
Newcastle and the Hunter Valley – entrenched rugby league territory - are equal in population to Adelaide and Perth combined.
The ARLC is determined to reach more households via its expanded free-to-air cover of four games a week, while the AFL is headed in the opposite direction with 3.5 of its nine games on Seven.
Smith also has a further two years to do a deal, while the AFL had to get theirs finalised, with the existing contract concluding at the end of 2016.
Media technology is developing rapidly and there are alternatives if Fox Sports does not take up an offer of eight live NRL games per week, with four simulcast with Nine.
Furthermore, the ARLC is committed to controlling its own games schedule and will seek a subscription partnership which guarantees this.
And Smith knows that wherever people watch sport, in their loungeroom, a crowded bar, a mobile phone or a tablet, he has a game to sell which confines all the action to a box shaped screen.
 

redvscotty

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My internet already slows to sub 2Mbps at peak, can't imagine what it would be like with sport streaming on it.

All for it, but our government seems to be doing Murdicks bidding in holding this countries internet back.
 

The Engineers Room

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Not sure if this could be done but why not offer to sell the rights to a live Saturday afternoon (3pm or 5pm), Sunday earlier afternoon (2pm), Sunday night game (7:30pm) and either a replay Saturday game or live Monday night to either channel 7 or channel 10?

I am sure they would be interested. Packaging it this way may make Foxtel interested again.
 

maccattack

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A couple of points no one has picked up on...

The vic kick games will all be HD.

And while Murcocks words will p... people off in rugby league areas, they will have endeared him to victorians.

So I think he was quite deliberate in what he said. Thinking that whatever subs he lises will be made up by fans of the fumble.
 

Edwahu

Bench
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A couple of points no one has picked up on...

The vic kick games will all be HD.

And while Murcocks words will p... people off in rugby league areas, they will have endeared him to victorians.

So I think he was quite deliberate in what he said. Thinking that whatever subs he lises will be made up by fans of the fumble.

Anyone that would sign up to Foxtel for fumbleball just because Rupert had a dig at league would undoubtedly already be subscribed.
 

RoosTah

Juniors
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A couple of points no one has picked up on...

The vic kick games will all be HD.

And while Murcocks words will p... people off in rugby league areas, they will have endeared him to Victorians.

So I think he was quite deliberate in what he said. Thinking that whatever subs he loses will be made up by fans of the fumble.

Pissing off the states with half the country's population isn't the brightest view in my view... Victorians love their AFL, but politics divide people as much as anything, and Murdoch's pro-Abbott agenda won't be forgotten because of an AFL deal.

I have an uncle down there who cancelled his Foxtel subscription due to Murdoch's role in campaigning for the Libs, so I wouldn't expect that to change in a hurry.
 
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I said a few years ago when BEIN sport started in France and got the rights to the Catalans Dragons that they were thinking about heading to Australia, they have a track record of telling uncle Rupert to shove it and pay overs just to take sports rights away from him, lets hope they get into it soon or another like them do.

BEIN sport has already won the Champions League rights in Australia from ESPN. Someone that should know told me they are a massive chance to beat Foxtel for the EPL rights in Australia that start from next years season.

Could they be after the NRL? If they had NRL and EPL in Australia and offered it for subscription on platforms such as Fetch TV etc, Foxtel would lose massive numbers of subscribers (NRL live on Monday is their highest rated show and most NRL games easily beat any AFL games they show).

I think David Smith will look very good at the end of this, would not surprise me one bit if we end up with more per season than AFL and that Foxtel ends up either massively paying or lose out altogether.
 

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