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next franchise round - 2011/12

roughyedspud

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its been comfirmed that at least 1 current super league club will get canned and at least 1 championship club will be promoted..

http://www.sportinglife.com/rugbyle...STORY_NAME=rleague/10/08/04/RUGBYL_Super.html

The Rugby Football League will announce next March which Championship club will be promoted to the Engage Super League in 2012.

The governing body have pledged to award a three-year Super League licence to a club from outside the top division if they meet minimum criteria.

The next batch of 14 licences are due to be awarded next July but a decision over which Championship club to elevate will be made four months earlier to allow them longer to prepare.

The RFL issued clubs with guidelines onn Wednesday for the licensing process for the 2012-14 period.

Championship clubs must have either reached their league's grand final or won the Northern Rail Cup in 2009 or 2010 to qualify to apply.

They must then satisfy the RFL they have will have a stadium capacity of 10,000, not experienced insolvency within the previous three years, have had a turnover of £1million in 2009 or 2010 and have an average attendance of at least 2,500.
Widnes, Halifax and Barrow have the requisite on-field qualification and could apply. Barrow, who won the Northern Rail Cup this year, have said they have no intention of applying.

Clubs such as Featherstone, Leigh and Toulouse could enter the reckoning by reaching this year's final.

A deadline for applications from Championship clubs has been set for December.

Unsuccessful Championship clubs will have the chance to reapply along with the existing 14 Super League teams, who must submit their bids by April 2011.

The decision to effectively promote at least one Championship club means that, with Super League staying at 14 teams, one current side will be displaced.

Applications will be assessed in five key areas: commercial, marketing, media and community; facilities; finance; governance and business management; and playing strength.

Clubs intending to move to new stadia or redevelop existing sites to meet standards must satisfy the RFL all work will be completed by the start of the 2012 season.

That will put additional pressure on Wakefield, Castleford and Salford to deliver their promised new grounds. All three clubs were warned last year their existing facilities do not meet requirements.

bye bye either castleford,wakefield or salford...

for mine 2 of them should go and replaced by toulouse & barrow
 

bender

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its been comfirmed that at least 1 current super league club will get canned and at least 1 championship club will be promoted..

http://www.sportinglife.com/rugbyle...STORY_NAME=rleague/10/08/04/RUGBYL_Super.html



bye bye either castleford,wakefield or salford...

for mine 2 of them should go and replaced by toulouse & barrow

Maybe all three clubs will go?

The article you quoted says that Barrow do not want to go up and will not be applying. I really cant see any justification as to how or why Salford could stay up (though i am open to be convinced). From what i can gather, even their own fans seem to prefer them to stay down, as they got better crowds (after taking away support into account) when they were in the lower league.

Castleford and Wakefield are a tough one. They do get decent crowds, but are just not quite up to where you would expect the miminimum criteria to be, although they are also not far off it either. It would seem a bold gamble to drop one or both, as it could potentially be a bad thing for the dropping club, nobody knows. The ideal situation is to combine the support from both clubs into one super club, but that is easier said than done.

London are another club, who must be perilously close to having trouble. I know why they are needed, but in all honesty, there crowds are simply nothing short of tragic. I think that the RFL probably needs to either drop them from the competition, or give them a 10 year licence and sink extra funds into the promotion of the club. They either are worth a lot of money to the league as a whole through tv contracts etc, or they arent worth anymore than any other club, in which case, i dont believe they are successful enough to command a position with the others, and in any case, a stint in the 2nd division might actually help them build core support, like it seems to have done for Widnes and previously seemed to do for Salford and Castleford.

The other two expansion clubs look safe to me. Catalans cant really have done any more, and Wrexham, although they seem to have wavered a little bit, were an absolute revelation earlie on in the year.

On the upside, Toulouse, really must come in, and i would be stunned if they are not offered a place, although I must say, they always should have been given a place. Widnes also do look to have done as well as is possible, off the field at least. I think that both of these sides must make it in.

Realistically, it means that Salford would miss out, with one of Castleford and Wakefield, but i am not too sure about this.

I really think that some of the traditional fans look at things the wrong way, The next division 2 league could potentially feature sides from Barrow, Leigh, Castleford, Featherstone, Salford, Wakefield, Halifax and possibly even FC Lezignan, Gateshead, Sheffield, South Wales etc. That could be a hugely successful and enjoyable competition between some excellent traditional clubs with some very good support. What could be better?
 

roughyedspud

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nope....

widnes,leigh,salford,castleford,featherstone,halifax,wakefield..even my own oldham...offer nothing that has'nt already failed..


toulouse & barrow offer something new!
 

roughyedspud

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yep...


some clubs just need to realize that super league is'nt their level....


come to the championship..its a fantastic comp in it's own right
 

WireMan

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Nah, Widnes will be one team. They are the only team in the championship that are suitable with regards to stadium, youth, crowds, infrastructure etc.

Get rid of Wakey, Cas or Hull KR as there are to many Yorkshire teams. Out of them i would get rid of Hull KR. At least Wakey and Cas are pretending to do something about there problems.

Salfords new stadium has started. Other than that, they don't have much going for them.

To early for Toulouse or South Wales. We cannot expand to quick. Catalans or Crusaders need more time to grow the sport in those countries.

London will prob be safe as they have a wealthy backer and a good youth setup.
 

roughyedspud

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cumbria is the attraction


Nah, Widnes will be one team. They are the only team in the championship that are suitable with regards to stadium, youth, crowds, infrastructure etc.

Get rid of Wakey, Cas or Hull KR as there are to many Yorkshire teams. Out of them i would get rid of Hull KR. At least Wakey and Cas are pretending to do something about there problems.

Salfords new stadium has started. Other than that, they don't have much going for them.

To early for Toulouse or South Wales. We cannot expand to quick. Catalans or Crusaders need more time to grow the sport in those countries.

London will prob be safe as they have a wealthy backer and a good youth setup.

hull kr won't get kicked out :lol:

quins probably safe?? they are the safest team in the league

in regards to wakefield...do the RFL kick out a team from a village in wakefield,that being castleford, or kick out a team from a large town ie wakefield wildcats
 

WireMan

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cumbria is the attraction




hull kr won't get kicked out :lol:

quins probably safe?? they are the safest team in the league

in regards to wakefield...do the RFL kick out a team from a village in wakefield,that being castleford, or kick out a team from a large town ie wakefield wildcats

Barrow isn't real Cumbria and there crowds are to small and they have no youth development in place at the mo. Next time.


Why is thought of Hull KR getting binned so funny? What do they actually contribute to the league? A presence in Hull? There is another one. Good youth development? Nope. Nice stadium? Nope.
Hull KR are actually a bigger waste of time than Wakey and Cas. At least they are both working on new grounds and have strong youth development.

Hull KR win for me. Get rid.
 

nadera78

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Widnes have it in the bag.
Barrow's just too small to get decent crowds (and people from workington and whitehaven won't travel down there) and too poor to get any corporate support.
Toulouse I'd like to see, and the RFL have opened a door for them with the loophole about them being able to invite foreign teams into SL. But I still think they'll be knocked back.


Hull KR have always beena pet hate of mine, irrational but there you go. They just bug me.
Salford will get in, Peel and Salford Council iareforcing the stadium through so it will be ready for 2012.
Wakey and Cas are fighting for the last spot.

1 in and 1 out.
 

bowes

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Widnes will be the only club to come in barring a major revelation (like a major French TV deal which would probably see SL expanded).

No other club meets the very tough minimum criteria laid out, though Halifax come very close. Certainly Toulouse and Baroow are ineligible (I'm led to believe the overseas team rule was put on the website in January before the RFL stated Toulouse had to meet the same rules as everyone else- if anything it's there on the very remote off chance Stade Francais of FC Barcelona bid) so not only will they not get in, but they cannot apply. In the article it should have said Batley aren't applying, Barrow are going to try (but they fail to meet 3 of the 5 criteria so pretty pointless)

Salford out is most likely IMO unless their new ground is in place or Crusaders or Harlequins fold (hopefully not but not impossible). They have terrible support but not the benefit of ground and geographical location that Harlequins and Crusaders have. Any talk of dropping Castleford and Wakefield is a disgrace while those 3 much worse supported teams are in the league IMO.
 

WireMan

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Well Quins coch just left to go help out at Leeds.

If there financial backer stays at Quins they will be fine. If he has had enough and walks then that is the end of quins. Time to go to the championship and start again with a proper identity.

IMO the poor form of Catalans may hinder Toulouse at the mo. There are not enough French men to make one good team so what value would two bring? In the future when the background work comes good then maybe.


Salford have had final planning permission granted ont here stadium, so they will stay in. Especially as they are Manchester rugby and BBC sport is moving to Salford. It still goes back to one of the Yorkist teams. Over to them lot. Last time clubs promised stadiums. Saints, Salford and Leeds seem to be delivering. The rest are not.
 

docbrown

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An idea:

Now that relegation and promotion is over with the Super League tier itself, perhaps a way of integrating the Championship comps could be to offer a Super League play off spot to the Championship Winner.

So first week of Super League Finals = Top 7 teams out of 14 + Championship Winner
 

Evil Homer

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An idea:

Now that relegation and promotion is over with the Super League tier itself, perhaps a way of integrating the Championship comps could be to offer a Super League play off spot to the Championship Winner.

So first week of Super League Finals = Top 7 teams out of 14 + Championship Winner
That has to be one of the worst ideas I have ever heard. What were you thinking when you posted this?:crazy:
 

VictoryFC

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Well Quins coch just left to go help out at Leeds.

If there financial backer stays at Quins they will be fine. If he has had enough and walks then that is the end of quins. Time to go to the championship and start again with a proper identity.

IMO the poor form of Catalans may hinder Toulouse at the mo. There are not enough French men to make one good team so what value would two bring? In the future when the background work comes good then maybe.


Salford have had final planning permission granted ont here stadium, so they will stay in. Especially as they are Manchester rugby and BBC sport is moving to Salford. It still goes back to one of the Yorkist teams. Over to them lot. Last time clubs promised stadiums. Saints, Salford and Leeds seem to be delivering. The rest are not.

Im not quite sure why BBC sport moving to Salford will be in the favour of Salford. It couldnt hurt, but I dont think its important as some of you seem to think
 

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