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Next TV deal discussion 2028 -

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It started with John Grant circa 2012 when they announced the WA Pirates when WA thought they were getting an NRL expansion timeframe/announcement and pretty much snowballed from there, regardless of who is in charge.
I'm hoping the NRL buy the Super League and shut down Hull KR. That'll drive him up the wall.
 

Perth Red

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Exciting news this week that the nrl Intend to have 19 clubs to sell for the next tv deal.

png in 27 or 28 and Perth by 2030.
that will give them an extra game slot to sell for the start of the new deal, then an extra 12 games in a new metro market a year For the last couple of years of the deal.
 

Vlad59

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Exciting news this week that the nrl Intend to have 19 clubs to sell for the next tv deal.

png in 27 or 28 and Perth by 2030.
that will give them an extra game slot to sell for the start of the new deal, then an extra 12 games in a new metro market a year For the last couple of years of the deal.
Perth Red lighting up the forum with joy and optimism!
 

Billythekid

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Exciting news this week that the nrl Intend to have 19 clubs to sell for the next tv deal.

png in 27 or 28 and Perth by 2030.
that will give them an extra game slot to sell for the start of the new deal, then an extra 12 games in a new metro market a year For the last couple of years of the deal.
I’m a bit confused if this is serious or trolling.
 

colly

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Well what to do about our current world beating/Australian media deal. Feel free to add...
We are currently in our second year of our Nine and FOXtel/Kayo contract ( 2023-2027) somewhat paid in/around $255 m for Foxtel and $115 for Nine fta and NZTv at say $30m for a grand total of $400m
What would it take for a new deal starting in 2025.
First it would be breaking a contract with ( 2) players which would be somewhat daunting. If you follow my reasoning , to 'break' the contract you would have to offer something very appealing to both parties. What could that be?
First our principal should be laid out, and only then we would be able to see if it is possible.
First principal would be a yearly media deal of $500m of close. We should concentrate of what good for the code and not look over the fence at th AFL, however any deal starting next year paying $500m ( cash revenue) would be a blast.
Second principal to hold the lines of FTA games and Pay TV games. So the 'media' fan is no worse off than he is now. So how would you spin it to the parties?
Before Nine gets into it's Union deal offer then the whole lot ( but five games behind a pay-wall as is now.) Currently they pay $115 cash which really is a bargain that figure because a lack of competitive pressure, NOT coming from Ten/ParaMount Global which made that possible. Next time around I don't think Nine will be so lucky considering that Ten Paramount Global was able to offer over $600m or the AFL. So we ask from Nine/Stan $255m for the whole lot starting next year. Contractually they have to show 5 games on Stan ( and the production costs shared with FOXtel/Kayo.
Well if Nine wants to really get 'STAN' going and play play the big boys of streaming it needs a big ticket item. You say you already pay $115 ( Like sunk cost's) so you increase this by $140m and you got a serious Sport product. Stan Prices are this, $16 for general, and a further $15 for the package/sport . SO it's $29 to get Stan sport. So maybe Nine might play. SAY or explain next year we are going to open negotiation for the 2028 contract and only2/ and half years will remain THEN and we will only affect higher offers. So say in anther way After this year something like 2/and half years remain, the tender then for 2028 WILL BE MUCH HIGHER, maybe close to $200 pa, so get in now and tie this and have a real product that subscribers will pay for.

So this brings us to second player. How can we entice Foxtel/Kayo to enter a new contract, ditching the old.
Well we have offer then a large discount on what they paying now. So currently it looks like Foxtel/Kayo pay $255 cash/revenue. what would that be like to make them play. I say off them $30 m discount, which obviously would mean they lose 'exclusive', which they enforced or negotiated on FTA when they (FTA) lost 'exclusivity.' ie Nine.
It might sound not enough but add it up over he three year remaining it runs to $90m saving for Foxtel. Also play up the potential for Ten Paramount to come in next year and take the lot. Appeal to their 'vanity' and say so you lose exclusivity but your the best at production etc and with other sports you have a wouldn't seem to churn views/subscribers to Nine. Maybe sweeten the deal with so kind of State of Origin.
So I hope you could discuss what we could do to be able a start a new contract (2025) with a amount close-to/or $500m pa for say 5/6 years, starting 2025. Also we stand to make Three Hundred million dollars extra if we go this route.
 
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Iamback

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I'd rather we add to this deal and re-asses.

The extra womens Origin being exclusive on ch9 should be worth say $10-15m a year if that takes off.

So too adding NZ to NRLW adds value to that.

Throw in the 9th game. Easy to get it up to the $500m.

That would start the next deal at $550m and go from there
 

Billythekid

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Have you been asleep?

It’s what’s happening

It's like Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Perth Red has been replaced by someone who isn't a ceaselessly critical, whining moron.
Cut me some slack, got kids now so I’m not really up on my league these days 😮💨. Genuinely can’t believe we may actually live in a world where not only is the NRL aggressively expanding but we’re planning it out ahead of time.

I’ll remain skeptics of the PNG situation but it’s a crazy time to be a league fan.
 

Wb1234

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Cut me some slack, got kids now so I’m not really up on my league these days 😮💨. Genuinely can’t believe we may actually live in a world where not only is the NRL aggressively expanding but we’re planning it out ahead of time.

I’ll remain skeptics of the PNG situation but it’s a crazy time to be a league fan.

NRL expansion: Two new franchises, with PNG and Perth Bears set to become competitions’ 18th and 19th teams​

The NRL is set to make a call on an 18th side by the end of June, while plans are already underway to have a 19th franchise by 2030 – including a possible a joint venture between Perth and the Bears.

Peter Badel
May 12, 2024 - 6:00AM

ARL Commission boss Peter V’landys has outlined plans for the Perth Bears to be the NRL’s 19th team as part of a $400 million expansion project to bring North Sydney back to the big league.

In a landmark development for the code, fresh expansion on the back of the Dolphins’ success is imminent with the ARL Commission to meet next month to discuss the viability of two new NRL licences by 2030.

It can be revealed:

* A call to expand to 18 teams could be made as early as June;

* An expansion task force has been established, with ARL Commissioners Peter Beattie and Kate Jones in talks with the Federal government to bring Papua New Guinea to the NRL by 2027 or 2028;

* Dolphins ‘expansion specialist’ Wayne Bennett has spoken with V’landys and indicated his desire to coach an 18th team from PNG — pending his availability amid interest from South Sydney;

* V’landys is in advanced talks with Prime Minister Anthony Albanese over a $600 million “soft diplomacy” package to bankroll a PNG team; and

* After more than two decades in the wilderness, the Bears are ready to come out of hibernation as Perth and North Sydney chiefs discuss a joint-venture proposal for a 19th NRL franchise in Western Australia.


JUNE EXPANSION CALL

The fresh round of talks is the strongest sign yet the Bears are edging closer to a stunning NRL resurrection — three decades after North Sydney disappeared from the top flight in 1999.

“The Perth Bears is the ideal partnership,” V’landys said.

“By the end of June, we will be in a position as a game to make a call on expansion.

“We’re already in negotiations with a number of parties so it’s happening — expansion is a matter of when, not if.

“We are fair dinkum about expansion. It’s going to happen. If I say something, we do it.

“People said we wouldn’t go to Vegas, but we did.

“I am super confident there will eventually be 20 teams, that’s the ambition.

“We are spending $400 million in the next five years on participation. We wouldn’t spend that money if we aren’t going to expand the NRL competition.

“The injection of funds is all part of our plan to have 20-team competition.”

NRL READY TO RECLAIM THE WEST

Once written off as a possible expansion zone, Perth is now a serious contender to win an NRL licence by the close of this decade.

V’landys will soon kick off talks on the code’s next broadcast deal, for a five-year term from 2028-32, and he will head to the negotiating table armed with a plan for adding three new teams to generate revenue.

V’landys has held preliminary chats with WA premier Roger Cook, who has become a driving force for a Perth NRL team, which could have instant brand recognition via the Bears.

North Sydney bosses spoke to WA government officials on Friday and V’landys said the NRL is keen to expand in quick succession, with PNG the favourites for the 18th licence before a possible Perth Bears launch as the 19th team.

“Perth are absolutely on our hit list for expansion and it’s sooner rather than later,” he said.

“I believe we could go from 18 to 19 teams in very quick time.

“We want to be in the best possible position for our next broadcast deal.

“The next deal is for 2028 onwards and we’ll be starting negotiations for broadcast very, very soon.”


Asked if the Bears could be back in the NRL by 2030, V’landys said: “Absolutely they could, I won’t be ruling that out.

“There’s no way North Sydney can be a stand-alone team at the moment because there’s too many teams in Sydney as it is.

“Their best hope is to have a partnership with one of the prospective new teams from another state.

“Perth would be a perfect marriage.

“You could have a couple of games at North Sydney Oval to keep the tradition going and then you can have the majority of games in Perth.

“The premier over there is very passionate and wants a rugby league team, so we’re looking at them very seriously.

“We’re looking at an 18th team for 2027 or 2028. It won’t be 2026, it will be either 2027 or 2028, but that date we have to finalise.”

NRL’S BENNETT PNG PLAN


A 2028 entry date for an 18th team could be the perfect time frame for Bennett to preside over a prospective PNG team.

The NRL’s greatest coach, off-contract at the Dolphins, will meet with Souths officials this week during Magic Round.

The Rabbitohs will table a three-year deal for Bennett, which, if he agreed terms, would tie him to Redfern until the end of 2027, making him a free agent for an 18th franchise.

“Naturally, we would love to have Wayne Bennett involved with an 18th team,” V’landys said.

“He is a genius and if he is available for the next expansion bid, absolutely we want him.

“But Wayne has to do what’s best for Wayne as well.

“Wayne shares our vision on expansion and he wants to be part of that vision absolutely.

“But he has other options. If he is available, we will grab him, if not, we understand.”

V’landys stressed PNG has not been locked in as the NRL’s 18th team, enlisting ARL Commissioners Beattie and Jones to ensure a Pacific bid is robust.

“Peter Beattie and Kate Jones have been assisting with the Papua New Guinea bid with the government,” he said.

“Their expertise with government knowledge is invaluable so I asked them to assist in the process with the Federal government to see if we are going to go ahead with the PNG team.

“They have met with decision-makers high up within the Federal government.

“I’ve also spoken to the Prime Minister about the 18th team. That’s the level we’re at now, we’re at the highest levels.

“I think it (a 20-team league) can be done within a decade or even earlier.

“If you want this game to thrive and have clubs extremely profitable and viable and you want players paid significant sums, you have to grow.

“If you stand still, you will be knocked over.”
 

titoelcolombiano

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So it appears we have another ratings beast growing in the form of the women's Origin.

The women's Origin match rated higher than any NRL or AFL match this year and it will continue to grow. So it means we are well on the way to having 7 marquee matches (6 Origins and the GF).

Are we being paid for these women's origin matches? Or are they being built up for the next TV deal?

The growth of the ratings is huge news for the next deal.
 

Iamback

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So it appears we have another ratings beast growing in the form of the women's Origin.

The women's Origin match rated higher than any NRL or AFL match this year and it will continue to grow. So it means we are well on the way to having 7 marquee matches (6 Origins and the GF).

Are we being paid for these women's origin matches? Or are they being built up for the next TV deal?

The growth of the ratings is huge news for the next deal.

Nothing has been annouced but the NRL does that.

I would think they would pay extra because:

The women get parity payment with the Men now, The 3 games come with a higher cost to the NRL.

Throw in that ch9 gets exclusive rights, I doubt Fox just allows that so not sure ch9 gets exclusive without paying what Fox would of offered
 

titoelcolombiano

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Another idea that could help our next TV deal smash all records for Australian sport, is the NRL and NRLW combining schedules.

It's often said that one of the reasons AFL get more cash is the length of the game. To counter that, once the NRLW goes to 17 teams, I'd play all games as double headers women and then men. Give the broadcaster a 4 hour broadcasting block of live sport to sell to advertisers.

Solves the problem of how to slot the women's season into the schedule and gives them prime-time slots along with the men.

- Sponsors will love it
- Broadcasters will enjoy the additional content
- The women's game will grow massively because of it

At this point, you'd drop the W from NRLW and its just the NRL. Much like when you watch the Australian Open tennis for example. It's one event with men's and women's tournaments both part of the show.

At the same time, NRL brand becomes synonymous with women's sport because no other sport can do this at the scale we are. Union and Soccer don't have the broadcaster interest to pull it off and AFL can't possibly run two games back-to-back in every match slot (plus their women's version doesn't have the quality).
 

Iamback

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Another idea that could help our next TV deal smash all records for Australian sport, is the NRL and NRLW combining schedules.

It's often said that one of the reasons AFL get more cash is the length of the game. To counter that, once the NRLW goes to 17 teams, I'd play all games as double headers women and then men. Give the broadcaster a 4 hour broadcasting block of live sport to sell to advertisers.

Solves the problem of how to slot the women's season into the schedule and gives them prime-time slots along with the men.

- Sponsors will love it
- Broadcasters will enjoy the additional content
- The women's game will grow massively because of it

At this point, you'd drop the W from NRLW and its just the NRL. Much like when you watch the Australian Open tennis for example. It's one event with men's and women's tournaments both part of the show.

At the same time, NRL brand becomes synonymous with women's sport because no other sport can do this at the scale we are. Union and Soccer don't have the broadcaster interest to pull it off and AFL can't possibly run two games back-to-back in every match slot (plus their women's version doesn't have the quality).

I think they are trying to get new viewers/sponsors in due to boom in womens sport.

The schedule is something that needs to get looked at. Having games at 12pm on Saturday for example is going to get a huge revenue stream in
 

docbrown

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Another idea that could help our next TV deal smash all records for Australian sport, is the NRL and NRLW combining schedules.

It's often said that one of the reasons AFL get more cash is the length of the game. To counter that, once the NRLW goes to 17 teams, I'd play all games as double headers women and then men. Give the broadcaster a 4 hour broadcasting block of live sport to sell to advertisers.

Solves the problem of how to slot the women's season into the schedule and gives them prime-time slots along with the men.

- Sponsors will love it
- Broadcasters will enjoy the additional content
- The women's game will grow massively because of it

At this point, you'd drop the W from NRLW and its just the NRL. Much like when you watch the Australian Open tennis for example. It's one event with men's and women's tournaments both part of the show.

At the same time, NRL brand becomes synonymous with women's sport because no other sport can do this at the scale we are. Union and Soccer don't have the broadcaster interest to pull it off and AFL can't possibly run two games back-to-back in every match slot (plus their women's version doesn't have the quality).
Agreed. Content is king. A lot of fans will watch women's and men's games of their own club back to back. Suddenly, you turn a 2 hour viewer into a 4 hour viewer.

As to where the slots go, it will depend on the slots that the mens comp takes up in the next broadcast deal.

But I'd love to see a dedicated FTA slot where you can double up on games and target states. For instance right now, 4pm Saturday as a news lead in on FTA is up for grabs. You schedule something Broncos vs Titans in QLD and Eels vs Roosters in NSW and maximise the audience appeal.

Eventually they will get to the same number of teams as the men's comp. In the mean time, I'd like to see some byes introduced and extend the length of the season. That way they're not clashing as much with men's games but also extend the appeal. For example, going back to 4 games a round now means you could extend the comp by 2-3 weeks, making it an 11-12 week regular season.

Then eventually you'll have a 20 team comp played over 27 weeks, with each team playing 19 regular season games and 8 byes. You'd average 7 games a round, on top of the 10 men's games. Effectively 34 hours of actual game time coverage each week, in addition to all the other talking head waffle.
 
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