Next TV deal discussion 2028 -

[Iamback]

The other week, Gill did say that Qld will be an AFL state within 5 years. So in tv rights negotiations, fair chance they tell a few 'stories' so they could sell their game at a higher price.

Meanwhile our games administrators are naive and are instead listening to the broadcaster 'stories' from Nine and Fox.

An NRL round is worth $10m, How much do you think it should be worth?

 

[Iamback]

More so Gil is lieing about the afl tv deal

You can say NRL undersold the rights BUT how can anyone think including Stadium upgrades is part of TV money.

That is what clouds people's judgement

 

[Wb1234]

You can say NRL undersold the rights BUT how can anyone think including Stadium upgrades is part of TV money.

That is what clouds people's judgement

Afl is receiving 500 to 520 million cash including Telstra. The rest is contra

they had to offer gather round and tasmania just to get a small increase on their current deal

 

[Colk]

Nah

if you need to lie then your product isn’t all that

we don’t need to lie the facts speak for themselves

on many metrics we are already number one so who cares about number two

Tell McDonalds that then.

I think you give people a lot more credit than I do. Have you seen the absolute c### that people consume on the daily - reality TV, unhealthy takeaway food etc that even the people who are consuming that would say that it is not high quality; even if quality is highly subjective.

In any case, if the code getting more viewers is getting such a dud deal in comparison then I would argue that we need to do more of what they are doing; at the very least in terms of how we promote and perceive themselves.

 

[Colk]

Care to point out what was wrong with my posts?

I broke down the figures, as they are actively available, What was wrong with it?

No I am saying a FTA station will do what they can to make money.

Ch7 is so far ahead of ch9 that of course they will try and get the AFL crowd on board

A lot of what you’re posting is completely irrelevant.

You seem to want the position the argument to talk about the broadcaster needs, which is fine but it doesn’t adequately address the inconsistencies in how each individual station look at these codes.

For example if it is about what is of financial betterment for the stations why do we have Channel 9 actively and heavily promoting a game they don’t even broadcast. As a contrast, you don’t see Channel 7 promoting rugby league in rugby league states even if it gave them some more viewers (btw Channel 7 aren’t heavily in front in NSW/QLD).

Now we could speculate as to the reasons why, perhaps the fumblers won’t allow it or perhaps Channel 7 see it as an investment (which would correlate with them buying nearly every game and showing it across Australia) as opposed to Channel Nine seeing Rugby League as a placeholder. Who knows the rationale behind these decisions; however the result is pretty stark and inarguable.

Now I don’t know why that is seemingly acceptable to you or why we shouldn’t aim for what they are getting but thankfully; at least from that article, the game may now have woken up to this.

 

[Wb1234]

Tell McDonalds that then.

I think you give people a lot more credit than I do. Have you seen the absolute c### that people consume on the daily - reality TV, unhealthy takeaway food etc that even the people who are consuming that would say that it is not high quality; even if quality is highly subjective.

In any case, if the code getting more viewers is getting such a dud deal in comparison then I would argue that we need to do more of what they are doing; at the very least in terms of how we promote and perceive themselves.

Who doesn’t like Maccas cmon

 

[Colk]

Who doesn’t like Maccas cmon

I eat Maccas or KFC only if I had literally no other choice available at the time. So probably on the road and starving.

It’s pretty awful really

 

[Wb1234]

I eat Maccas or KFC only if I had literally no other choice available at the time. So probably on the road and starving.

It’s pretty awful r

I’ve had fine dining and I’ve had Maccas

Maccas wins every day

now if you were talking about merivale restaurants I’d agree with you

 

[Iamback]

A lot of what you’re posting is completely irrelevant.

You seem to want the position the argument to talk about the broadcaster needs, which is fine but it doesn’t adequately address the inconsistencies in how each individual station look at these codes.

For example if it is about what is of financial betterment for the stations why do we have Channel 9 actively and heavily promoting a game they don’t even broadcast. As a contrast, you don’t see Channel 7 promoting rugby league in rugby league states even if it gave them some more viewers (btw Channel 7 aren’t heavily in front in NSW/QLD).

Now we could speculate as to the reasons why, perhaps the fumblers won’t allow it or perhaps Channel 7 see it as an investment (which would correlate with them buying nearly every game and showing it across Australia) as opposed to Channel Nine seeing Rugby League as a placeholder. Who knows the rationale behind these decisions; however the result is pretty stark and inarguable.

Now I don’t know why that is seemingly acceptable to you or why we shouldn’t aim for what they are getting but thankfully; at least from that article, the game may now have woken up to this.

Because as with any of these comparisons it is apple and Oranges.

NRL on ch9 has the same game on every market

Ch7 show different games in every market. So very few games are actually across the nation.

As I said, ch9 doesn't have that. Which in keeps them strong in certain markets and weak in others.

To my point before, If they want to get viewers in these other states to watch their stuff. Like the Block then talking about NRL won't do it.

So they do things like maybe run a promotion on Today etc to interest the AFL states.

You don't think ch10 for example would do the same thing? Remembering a few months ago they had 1k total viewers in Perth for an early morning news service.

That is FTA and their cross promotion

 

[Iamback]

Tell McDonalds that then.

I think you give people a lot more credit than I do. Have you seen the absolute c### that people consume on the daily - reality TV, unhealthy takeaway food etc that even the people who are consuming that would say that it is not high quality; even if quality is highly subjective.

In any case, if the code getting more viewers is getting such a dud deal in comparison then I would argue that we need to do more of what they are doing; at the very least in terms of how we promote and perceive themselves.

Adding Telstra money as TV, makes good headlines but it shouldn't be needed if the contracts themselves were great

 

[Perth Red]

If you are counting contra too then Telstra is way more because of the Marvel upgrades.

I was going off the 'just over $4b cash that Gill mentioned in the Original announcement presser.

Also NRL is apparently cash only in their announcement which makes the comparison easier

Either way the $400m for 2023 is $470m in 2027. So that is the starting point for the next deal

Add the 15% to that. Is $540m before the extra game is added. So as I said both will be on par

Haha, it’s an aVg not a start point!

 

[Perth Red]

Afl is receiving 500 to 520 million cash including Telstra. The rest is contra

they had to offer gather round and tasmania just to get a small increase on their current deal

Nope $571mill AVG cash a year tv and telstra.

the actual cash payments for tv will be close to this

nrl $400mill avg (for sake of argument and it’s far from clear that the announced $400mill avg is all cash, and it includes $5mill of radio rights that ch9 has in the deal).

2023 $384.2
2024 $392
2025 $400
2026 $408
2027 $416.2

afl $530mill avg (tv only)

2025 $498.8
2026 $509
2027 $519.4
2028 $530
2029 $546
2030 $556.9
2031 $568

basically by the time our next tv deal kicks in 2028 we will be over $300mill cash behind in this tv deal cycle. Outstanding work by our administration as always!

 

[Perth Red]

It was always suggested origin was worth around $30mill a year. I guess this proves it!

when you consider ch9 are only paying $80mill a year cash for 3 nrl games a week that rate their arse off we are getting dudded so badly lol. Nice work Vlandys!

 

[Wb1234]

Nope $571mill AVG cash a year tv and telstra.

the actual cash payments for tv will be close to this

nrl $400mill avg (for sake of argument and it’s far from clear that the announced $400mill avg is all cash, and it includes $5mill of radio rights that ch9 has in the deal).

2023 $384.2
2024 $392
2025 $400
2026 $408
2027 $416.2

afl $530mill avg (tv only)

2025 $498.8
2026 $509
2027 $519.4
2028 $530
2029 $546
2030 $556.9
2031 $568

basically by the time our next tv deal kicks in 2028 we will be over $300mill cash behind in this tv deal cycle. Outstanding work by our administration as always!

You are free to believe whatever bs you want to believe

but given how gill is a proven liar anyone who believes what he says is an afl simp

 

[Perth Red]

You are free to believe whatever bs you want to believe

but given how gill is a proven liar anyone who believes what he says is an afl simp

Likewise for those who like to bury their heads in the sand.

 

[Wb1234]

Likewise for those who like to bury their heads in the sand.

That’s your idol gill McLaughlin and ignoring the issue of afl expansion failing and now the nrl has overtaken them under vlandys watch

 

[Iamback]

Nope $571mill AVG cash a year tv and telstra.

the actual cash payments for tv will be close to this

nrl $400mill avg (for sake of argument and it’s far from clear that the announced $400mill avg is all cash, and it includes $5mill of radio rights that ch9 has in the deal).

2023 $384.2
2024 $392
2025 $400
2026 $408
2027 $416.2

afl $530mill avg (tv only)

2025 $498.8
2026 $509
2027 $519.4
2028 $530
2029 $546
2030 $556.9
2031 $568

basically by the time our next tv deal kicks in 2028 we will be over $300mill cash behind in this tv deal cycle. Outstanding work by our administration as always!

Except Telstra isn't TV money. The last deal it was $50m a year, That would of gone up. Remembering 9 years of inflation is into this deal. $400-500m total there taken out of the $4b total cash

So you take that from it for starters and then NRL reporting $400m cash this year.

If it was wrong then the RLPA in their dispute with the NRL would of said so. So the AFR would be close to the money there

Has NRL at $424m in 2025

$20m difference or whatever, given the extra games etc. is nothing really and certainly will be made up and some when expansion happens before next TV deal

 

[Perth Red]

That’s your idol gill McLaughlin and ignoring the issue of afl expansion failing and now the nrl has overtaken them under vlandys watch

Nice non relevant rant lol, doesn’t change the reality of the tv deals for the next 5 years though,

 

[Perth Red]

Except Telstra isn't TV money. The last deal it was $50m a year, That would of gone up. Remembering 9 years of inflation is into this deal. $400-500m total there taken out of the $4b total cash

So you take that from it for starters and then NRL reporting $400m cash this year.

If it was wrong then the RLPA in their dispute with the NRL would of said so. So the AFR would be close to the money there

Has NRL at $424m in 2025

$20m difference or whatever, given the extra games etc. is nothing really and certainly will be made up and some when expansion happens before next TV deal

I havent included telstra in those figures!

don’t forget we also got telstra money on the last deal and aren’t including it in this one, allegedly. Hence why I have serious doubts the $400mill avg is all cash. The numbers don’t add up when you take previous nrl telstra cash out.

$115mill nine cash
$32 mill inc contra nz

Would mean fox paying Around $255-260mill cash for nrl, which is much more than the alleged $20mill dolphins extra payment On the last deal. Remember the last deal was $360mill cash avg inc telstra. The numbers just don’t add up to $400mill cash for this deal!

given ch10 we’re allegedly willing to pay $600mill (no telstra) then it’s highly unlikely the ch7/fox deal isn’t worth $530mill cash or there abouts. That would leave telstra paying $40mill ish cash and the rest in kind work upgrading afls asset.

at best if it is $400mill cash avg we will be getting around $384mill cash in 2023. depending on the structure of their extension deal they will be getting around $450mill cash tv and telstra In 2023.

we won’t know for sure what they get until next year, we’ll never know for nrl as they hide their performance from the stakeholders!

 

[Wb1234]

Nice non relevant rant lol, doesn’t change the reality of the tv deals for the next 5 years though,

Gill lieing about the tv deal isn’t relevant ? Sure buddy