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Good point about ten

I’ve never thought they would bid

They did offer afl 600 million pa so if they offer that for nrl it will be interesting how nine and dazn respond

Nine and fox losing rugby league could be a good thing both their coverage is a bit stale or in nines case just embarrassing
Out of interest was there any particular reason why you think that 10 won`t bid on the NRL broadcast rights.
I know that you`re not a massive fan of the Perth bid but given the article mentions the importance of cross-promotion between FTA and streaming services, which is probably the only way FTA will survive, I would have that only underlines the importance of the NRL having minimum one team in all our capital cities so that we get channel`s like 10 bidding.

Regards the coverage, I don`t find Kayo coverage too bad, Nine, yeah you`re right, apart from a couple of bright spots like Slater, I don`t mind Freddy, the rest are god-damn awful.
One thing interesting though which shows they maybe not beyond help, I saw both Cherry-Evans and Papenhausen interviewed at the Oz open, the sort of players who present an intelligent respectable face to our game and who we want to see being promoted by Nine on their other high rating programmes, I like to think they were both there as guests of Nine specifically so they could be used in a bit of cross-promotion. Dream on... maybe.
 

Wb1234

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Out of interest was there any particular reason why you think that 10 won`t bid on the NRL broadcast rights.
I know that you`re not a massive fan of the Perth bid but given the article mentions the importance of cross-promotion between FTA and streaming services, which is probably the only way FTA will survive, I would have that only underlines the importance of the NRL having minimum one team in all our capital cities so that we get channel`s like 10 bidding.

Regards the coverage, I don`t find Kayo coverage too bad, Nine, yeah you`re right, apart from a couple of bright spots like Slater, I don`t mind Freddy, the rest are god-damn awful.
One thing interesting though which shows they maybe not beyond help, I saw both Cherry-Evans and Papenhausen interviewed at the Oz open, the sort of players who present an intelligent respectable face to our game and who we want to see being promoted by Nine on their other high rating programmes, I like to think they were both there as guests of Nine specifically so they could be used in a bit of cross-promotion. Dream on... maybe.
Ten didn’t bid last time for the nrl showed no interest then bid for the afl

I think seven at least showed interest bidding for origin with Foxtel even though it was lowball

I think nine are our best chance for competition in the tv rights. They get how important league is to their network

Having Amanda Laing there as boss of broadcasting being an ex commissioner is an excellent sign of how important they see league

Huge step up from the days Eddie McGuire was nine boss or even Hugh marks he was awful
 

SirPies&Beers

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Lol, all of a sudden Amanda Laing is wbtiktok's best mate.
alwaysloser, just can’t help himself. Wb says nothing of the sort but alwaysloser needs the attention.
Can`t win with you Red, if they had three you`d be saying 4`s a minimum.
Buying and selling cattle I`ve been to thousands of auctions, trust me you only need two, especially if they are keen.
you should know by now that whatever Perthwrongs says will end up being wrong. Dude can’t help himself making statements that always come up wrong.
Ten didn’t bid last time for the nrl showed no interest then bid for the afl

I think seven at least showed interest bidding for origin with Foxtel even though it was lowball

I think nine are our best chance for competition in the tv rights. They get how important league is to their network

Having Amanda Laing there as boss of broadcasting being an ex commissioner is an excellent sign of how important they see league

Huge step up from the days Eddie McGuire was nine boss or even Hugh marks he was awful
wouldn’t surprise me if ten bid this time. They current have nothing.
 
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Ten didn’t bid last time for the nrl showed no interest then bid for the afl

I think seven at least showed interest bidding for origin with Foxtel even though it was lowball

I think nine are our best chance for competition in the tv rights. They get how important league is to their network

Having Amanda Laing there as boss of broadcasting being an ex commissioner is an excellent sign of how important they see league

Huge step up from the days Eddie McGuire was nine boss or even Hugh marks he was awful
Thanks mate, that`s a good point about Laing, it`s not uncommon for companies to bring people on board who have expertise in areas they are interested in and have served in senior roles accordingly.
 

The_Wookie

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Ten didn’t bid last time for the nrl showed no interest then bid for the afl

NRL rights extension was done in 2020, they didnt show any interest in the AFLs extension either which was also done in 2020. The next AFL bidding was in 2022 - it may have been about timing - they took over Ten in late 2017, they may just not have been ready in 2020. They took the Aleague in 2021.

They bid for Cricket in 2022 and got knocked back as well.

I think seven at least showed interest bidding for origin with Foxtel even though it was lowball

Seven always pipe up about Origin every time. Its inevitable - like speculating about amazon or netflix.

I think nine are our best chance for competition in the tv rights. They get how important league is to their network

Having Amanda Laing there as boss of broadcasting being an ex commissioner is an excellent sign of how important they see league

I doubt it means much at all. she was eminently qualified for the role after working at Foxtel. They also appointed a guy from paramount to head up public affairs.
 

Wb1234

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NRL rights extension was done in 2020, they didnt show any interest in the AFLs extension either which was also done in 2020. The next AFL bidding was in 2022 - it may have been about timing - they took over Ten in late 2017, they may just not have been ready in 2020. They took the Aleague in 2021.

They bid for Cricket in 2022 and got knocked back as well.



Seven always pipe up about Origin every time. Its inevitable - like speculating about amazon or netflix.



I doubt it means much at all. she was eminently qualified for the role after working at Foxtel. They also appointed a guy from paramount to head up public affairs.
Hey it’s better than Eddie McGuire or Hugh marks

But if you see no connection between a former nrl commissioner being appointed to run nine broadcasting good for you

I see it as a sign nine will be bidding for the lot
 

The_Wookie

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Hey it’s better than Eddie McGuire or Hugh marks

But if you see no connection between a former nrl commissioner being appointed to run nine broadcasting good for you

I see it as a sign nine will be bidding for the lot

I think Nine would have bid for the lot regardless. Its the key to Stans long term survival.
The question for me is how much they can bid.
 

Wb1234

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I think Nine would have bid for the lot regardless. Its the key to Stans long term survival.
The question for me is how much they can bid.
They bid 500 million for the afl last time

If that’s their opening bid for the nrl then it’s going to force Foxsports to beat that figure

That puts nrl already at probs mid 500.

If Stan tops what Foxsports offer initially then Foxsports is looking at a loss of around 70 percent of its valuation of 3.5 billion ie around 2.5 billion of its value will have gone

The timing for rugby league is quite fortuitous

Probably never better
 

The_Wookie

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They bid 500 million for the afl last time

If that’s their opening bid for the nrl then it’s going to force Foxsports to beat that figure

That puts nrl already at probs mid 500.

lots changed in 4 years - and theres some doubt that Nine were ever serious about it in 2022, These days Nine are all about making "economies" - Stan has recently been merged with Nines fta operation, theres been job cuts all over the place. Time will tell whether any of this means anything

If Stan tops what Foxsports offer initially then Foxsports is looking at a loss of around 70 percent of its valuation of 3.5 billion ie around 2.5 billion of its value will have gone

Thats something of what we call a "wild ass guess" with no basis in known facts.

The timing for rugby league is quite fortuitous
Probably never better

Regardless of all the above, this is probably true to an extent.
 
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These days Nine are all about making "economies" - Stan has recently been merged with Nines fta operation, theres been job cuts all over the place. Time will tell whether any of this means anything
Maybe all these "economies", like canning the NT news bulletin, cutting their Gold Coast staff from 12 to 1 are all about being able to afford the things that brings in serious viewing numbers.

The merger of the Nine FTA and Stan operations would strike me as a natural progression once the streaming arm had been established. Probably also indicative of how all the FTA stations are going to compete to survive against the big international streamers; lots and lots of cross-promotion each anchored around a major domestic sport.
 

shadowformz

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Maybe all these "economies", like canning the NT news bulletin, cutting their Gold Coast staff from 12 to 1 are all about being able to afford the things that brings in serious viewing numbers.

The merger of the Nine FTA and Stan operations would strike me as a natural progression once the streaming arm had been established. Probably also indicative of how all the FTA stations are going to compete to survive against the big international streamers; lots and lots of cross-promotion each anchored around a major domestic sport.
Exactly, nice insight MNS
 

colly

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Well the biggest pay day for the NRL this year could be COMING.

Given [Saudi Arabia's] Public Investment Fund so far seems less concerned about making a return on investment through its sports strategy, it is possible that, via DAZN, it will be happy to acquire media rights at the higher end of the value range, meaning we will likely see some rights inflation in the coming years.

— Dan Harraghy, Research Manager – Sports, Ampere Analysis....

 

Trifili13

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We’ve really moved on from people saying Dazn couldn’t afford to bid for the nrl
Whoever thought Dazn was going to pay 3.4bn for Foxtel and not bid for the NRL has more than 1 screw loose. The question is, that no one here can answer apart from making numbers up, is how much Dazn are willing to pay which will be dictated by how much other bidders are willing to pay and how high Dazn is willing to go so the numbers stack up for them irrespective if there are other bidders or not.
 

The_Wookie

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Well the biggest pay day for the NRL this year could be COMING.

Given [Saudi Arabia's] Public Investment Fund so far seems less concerned about making a return on investment through its sports strategy, it is possible that, via DAZN, it will be happy to acquire media rights at the higher end of the value range, meaning we will likely see some rights inflation in the coming years.

— Dan Harraghy, Research Manager – Sports, Ampere Analysis....


hmm

The NRL, which has already kicked off its negotiations for its next rights deal, hasn't been shy about its ambition to kick off an AFL-style bidding war, with the AFL’s last deal worth $643m a season. The NRL has been courting Paramount since mid last year but with DAZN's backing, Foxtel could become an even more attractive contender, though appetite to spend big on a new deal so soon remains to be seen.

Nine and Seven make up NRL's other likely suitors, though both networks have decent slates for the foreseeable future, and have been cost cutting and restructuring of late. It makes a tough sell for NRL execs, who have been forthcoming about their ambition to beat the AFL's last deal. Achieving that feat would require the code to raise its annual fee by hundreds of millions of dollars.

Even if Saudi Arabia’s PIF “seems less concerned about ROI”, as Ampere’s Harraghy suggests, right now that seems a big ask.
 

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BROADCAST BONANZA
In the coming months, V’landys and NRL boss Andrew Abdo will kick off talks on the code’s next TV rights contract for 2028 and beyond.
It’s a crucial, and potentially code-shaping, deal. The AFL’s seven-year deal from 2025-31 was worth $4.5 billion and the NRL will go to the negotiating table entitled to be confident after setting a number of records during their current broadcasting agreement.
The addition of an 18th team by 2027 would give the NRL an extra game per round to sell to existing broadcast partners – Nine Entertainment and Foxtel – and other potential bidders.
If the NRL expands to 20 teams, as expected, by the 2032 Brisbane Olympics, that’s another potential trump card for the NRL, which is eyeing growth to the Pacific with a 19th team in Papua New Guinea in 2028.
“To start the broadcast negotiations, we need to know the format of the competition for the next five years,” V’landys said.
“Once we decide that, we will immediately move into broadcast discussions.
“I expect there to be enormous interest for our next broadcast deal. Who wouldn’t want to be bidding for the NRL right at the moment with the numbers we are putting up.”


 

Johnny88

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Foxtel’s new owner Len Blavatnik makes a $10b bet on big sport

DAZN is an even bigger gamble. The company was created in 2016, and Blavatnik has poured billions of dollars into it since then. In the same month that it purchased Foxtel, DAZN spent $US1 billion buying up the exclusive global rights to broadcast the FIFA Club World Cup tournament. It is paying €400 million ($668 million) every year to broadcast France’s Ligue 1.

In Australia, DAZN’s purchase of Foxtel – a deal that the companies claimed valued the local broadcaster at $3.4 billion – adds a new uncertainty into the big-money world of sports rights, an arena where financially crunched media players are still happy to spend big money.

“Without Foxtel, the major Australian sports would not be generating the significant revenues they have,” says Peter V’landys, the chairman of the powerful Australian Rugby League Commission, which runs the NRL.

“The monies received have taken sports to a new level of professionalism and provided payments to players which 20 years ago you could only dream about,” he says, adding that a shift from watching on cable to streaming services such as Netflix, Paramount+, Foxtel’s Kayo Sports and Nine Entertainment’s Stan has made for more competition for broadcast rights.

For decades, Australia’s sports codes have split their rights between Foxtel, Nine (the publisher of AFR Weekend) and Seven. The AFL, for instance, is being paid $4.5 billion over seven years by Foxtel and Seven; the NRL’s $2 billion agreement with Foxtel and Nine runs out in 2027. Because sports draw a huge audience, the amount that broadcasters are willing to spend has increased dramatically over the past decade.

“My original thought was the NRL would be quite nervous about the change in ownership because the Murdochs … have a personal attachment to the game, which might influence the willingness to add a bit of cream on top to those rights deals to make sure they stay in the Foxtel stable,” says Hunter Fujak, the author of Code Wars: The Battle for Fans, Dollars and Survival, of how the broadcaster will approach its new local business.

“But then, given DAZN has just sunk so much money into purchasing this platform, it would be quite detrimental to ... lose a significant proportion of enterprise value by walking away from one of your two major rights deals.”

How much money will Blavatnik be happy to sink? He has shown no sign of slowing down, in 2023 putting another $US827 million into DAZN, a commitment that takes his total to more than $US6.7 billion.

DAZN is also hoping for sizeable support from Saudi Arabia’s sovereign wealth fund, which is in discussions to buy a 10 per cent stake in the business in a deal that would value it at up to $US10 billion.

If he succeeds, Blavatnik will have landed a bigger success than Warner Music, and perhaps even his early oil ventures. As DAZN noted in its accounts, “There are billions of sports fans around the world supporting a sports ecosystem across television, advertising, merchandise, apparel, betting, ticketing and other sports activities worth hundreds of billions of dollars”. The hope for Blavatnik is securing a big enough slice.


 

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