Next TV rights deal part 2

[siv]

So does the NRL

- Still control tje schedule ?

- have a provision for a 9th game and expansion ?

What are the TV arangements for lower grades ?

 

[BlueandGold]

2013 deals

5y AFL 250m a year
5y NRL 220m a year

30m difference

New deals

6y AFL 414m a year but 6th years to get that yearly figure.
5y NRL 390-400m

Difference 14m-24m

The NRL closed the gap.

If the NRL signed for 6 years like the AFL then its safe to say that the NRL would have signed a larger deal on a annual basis.

 

[LeagueXIII]

And remember as all our fans from AFL like to tell us (and union for that matter also) they are national and we are only in two states....not bad really.

Also looking at just a playing point of view there are 18 players in an AFL team plus subs and 13 in a league team...so there costs would be higher. Take out the money they spend on Gold Coast and GWS...the NRL is in a good position

 

[Nerd]

And remember as all our fans from AFL like to tell us (and union for that matter also) they are national and we are only in two states....not bad really.

Also looking at just a playing point of view there are 18 players in an AFL team plus subs and 13 in a league team...so there costs would be higher. Take out the money they spend on Gold Coast and GWS...the NRL is in a good position

Don't forget about the Lions. That goose Andrew Hamilton was crowing the other day in the Courier Mail about how good the Lions are going as they only lost $600 000 this year... This despite the AFL tipping buckets of money into them over the last couple of years to keep them from going broke.

 

[Pig Champion]

And remember as all our fans from AFL like to tell us (and union for that matter also) they are national and we are only in two states....not bad really.

Also looking at just a playing point of view there are 18 players in an AFL team plus subs and 13 in a league team...so there costs would be higher. Take out the money they spend on Gold Coast and GWS...the NRL is in a good position

Actually we are in 3 states and 2 countries and yes, despite what PR and ECT continually moan on about, we are going okay.

 

[BlueandGold]

And remember as all our fans from AFL like to tell us (and union for that matter also) they are national and we are only in two states....not bad really.

Also looking at just a playing point of view there are 18 players in an AFL team plus subs and 13 in a league team...so there costs would be higher. Take out the money they spend on Gold Coast and GWS...the NRL is in a good position

Exactly

The NRL closed the tv rights difference and it also does not have 2 expansion teams which lost it 200m+ in 5 years like the AFL.

AFL 2013 deal 1.250m - 200m in losses for GWS and GCS
NRL 2013 deal 1.1m

AFL 2017-22 deal 2billion over 5 years - 150-200m in losses for GWS and GCS.
NRL 2018-22 deal 1.9-2billion

Imo the expansion teams are adding value to the AFL deal but not enough to offset the losses.

 

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So does the NRL

- Still control tje schedule ?

- have a provision for a 9th game and expansion ?

What are the TV arangements for lower grades ?

Yes.
Yes.
Both the NSW & QLD Cups will be on the NRL Channel.

 

[CC_Roosters]

The only place 6pm Oz time works is NZ. Every other place in Oz will all have major issues. 1300Smiles will be an absolute schamozzle if NQ have to do one. There is minimal public transport as most people drive or get driven, that 5-6pm rush to get to the stadium will be a nightmare. Same with Canberra and Newy. And don't forget in the earlier rds, 6pm sydney time will be 5pm QLD time. Good luck getting a crowd to those games. I don't give a f**k what spin people put on it, other than NZ, this 6pm is atrocious for everyone involved. I give it one maybe 2 years and there will have to be a big re-think and adjustment. Why the ARLC allowed this, is my major gripe with the current deal and the fact it will be lumped on the regional clubs only in Oz, going by the reporting that for some reason it will 'suit the QLD teams' is a comment that I think has had no actual proper thought.

Yes but why should families who are warriors fans in auckland be punished by having every game on a friday night. And what about fans to the north and south outside auckland who travel on weekend days to watch the team, but could not feasibly do so on a friday night.

One of the least fan friendly things i have seen any sport do tbh. In the interest of fairness every club should host in friday 6pm once and then work out the rest from there. I dont care for excuses in sydney anymore, a bit of smart scheduling from the nrl could see the suburban grounds heavily used for this game, after all that is where the fans supposedly live and love going.

 

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no different to Broncos fans now.

 

[BuffaloRules]

Yes but why should families who are warriors fans in auckland be punished by having every game on a friday night. And what about fans to the north and south outside auckland who travel on weekend days to watch the team, but could not feasibly do so on a friday night.

One of the least fan friendly things i have seen any sport do tbh. In the interest of fairness every club should host in friday 6pm once and then work out the rest from there. I dont care for excuses in sydney anymore, a bit of smart scheduling from the nrl could see the suburban grounds heavily used for this game, after all that is where the fans supposedly live and love going.

WTF?

Have you seen the crowds for the suburban grounds recently on Sat and Sunday let alone what they will be for Friday at 6pm when people are commuting back home after work to the likes of Penrith, Cronulla, Brookvale and Campbelltown..they won't even make it home by 6pm let alone to the ground.

It makes more sense for your Roosters to have a few games at Allianz actually... They are always at the top of the table so how about their fans coming out and supporting them for a change..

 

[Perth Red]

I'm worried if they put all the nz games on Friday 6pm what will happen to there crowds. Going up against union in nz seems like suicide for the club. Maybe they get a grant to offset those losses. I suppose we need to see the reaction from supporters in if they go to games.

Mt smart on a cold wet Friday night 12 times a year? What do you think is going to happen to their crowds? They should moved to dunedin where at least the few thousand fans that turn up will stay warm! Thursday night will be interesting to see if it goes any better for fans than Monday. Next years crowd avg is going to be interesting!

 

[Perth Red]

2013 deals

5y AFL 250m a year
5y NRL 220m a year

30m difference

New deals

6y AFL 414m a year but 6th years to get that yearly figure.
5y NRL 390-400m

Difference 14m-24m

The NRL closed the gap.

If the NRL signed for 6 years like the AFL then its safe to say that the NRL would have signed a larger deal on a annual basis.

You've included the naming rights value. The real gap is another $10mill a year on your figure.

 

[Perth Red]

Exactly

The NRL closed the tv rights difference and it also does not have 2 expansion teams which lost it 200m+ in 5 years like the AFL.

AFL 2013 deal 1.250m - 200m in losses for GWS and GCS
NRL 2013 deal 1.1m

AFL 2017-22 deal 2billion over 5 years - 150-200m in losses for GWS and GCS.
NRL 2018-22 deal 1.9-2billion

Imo the expansion teams are adding value to the AFL deal but not enough to offset the losses.

Despite fear of being labelled an afl apologist you are making those figures up lol. The losses you are quoting include the normal grant afl clubs get. Going by your methodology you would say the Storm losses are $12.6mill a year plus. 12-13 gws broke even with a $20mill grant 13-14 they cost the afl $21.75million including grant and Suns in 13-14 posted a million$ profit on a grant of $16.5million.

This is a long haul strategy for afl, they are quite happy to wear the losses now in the long term goal of being "Australia's" game.

It was interesting to see the NRL club chairs allegedly refuse the idea of a different level grant based on club need like the afl has, a good example why our game will always struggle to expand.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...fe5a9ddcc?sv=988a2997118e45e7ab99631b0d04e317

 

[RL The greatest game]

lol @ the Bigfooy residents lurking















http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threa...derator-approved-rules-in-op.1033254/page-101

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threa...derator-approved-rules-in-op.1033254/page-100

they're a special bunch :lol:

The fear is strong among fans of the Anglo-Irish game.

 

[El Diablo]

Mt smart on a cold wet Friday night 12 times a year? What do you think is going to happen to their crowds? They should moved to dunedin where at least the few thousand fans that turn up will stay warm! Thursday night will be interesting to see if it goes any better for fans than Monday. Next years crowd avg is going to be interesting!

You've included the naming rights value. The real gap is another $10mill a year on your figure.

Despite fear of being labelled an afl apologist you are making those figures up lol. The losses you are quoting include the normal grant afl clubs get. Going by your methodology you would say the Storm losses are $12.6mill a year plus. 12-13 gws broke even with a $20mill grant 13-14 they cost the afl $21.75million including grant and Suns in 13-14 posted a million$ profit on a grant of $16.5million.

This is a long haul strategy for afl, they are quite happy to wear the losses now in the long term goal of being "Australia's" game.

It was interesting to see the NRL club chairs allegedly refuse the idea of a different level grant based on club need like the afl has, a good example why our game will always struggle to expand.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...fe5a9ddcc?sv=988a2997118e45e7ab99631b0d04e317

you woke up in a good mood again

do you lie in bed at night thinking about what you're going to whinge about when you wake up?

 

[colly]

Despite fear of being labelled an afl apologist you are making those figures up lol. The losses you are quoting include the normal grant afl clubs get. Going by your methodology you would say the Storm losses are $12.6mill a year plus. 12-13 gws broke even with a $20mill grant 13-14 they cost the afl $21.75million including grant and Suns in 13-14 posted a million$ profit on a grant of $16.5million.

This is a long haul strategy for afl, they are quite happy to wear the losses now in the long term goal of being "Australia's" game.

It was interesting to see the NRL club chairs allegedly refuse the idea of a different level grant based on club need like the afl has, a good example why our game will always struggle to expand.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...fe5a9ddcc?sv=988a2997118e45e7ab99631b0d04e317

To compare the deals we need to know the contra/advertsing amounts in the NRL. At this stage i have not come across anY contra mentioned. Seems like fox/telstra 1.175 billion and .625 billion Nine for a total 1.8 bILLION. Current 5 year deal NZ 100 or 20 million a year so 1.9 billion is a certiny.


But this is the the AFL deal, 2.508 or rounding to 2.5 billion, over 6 years BUT with 200 million in Contra adversing or NOT hard cash, so one can subtrack 200 million for the deal to get 2.3 billion over 6 years, which comes out as 383 million pa



http://mumbrella.com.au/foxtel-and-seven-telstra-tie-up-afl-rights-in-2-5bn-deal-313048

This quote below is for the AFL deal........

It follows the NRL tying up a five-year $950m deal with the Nine Network last week. There is ?around $200m of contra? included (in the AFL ) deal according to AFL CEO Gill McLachlan, who said ?the AFL?s challenge is to stay Australia?s game?.

So AFL get 383 million years (2.3 billion / by 6 years )and NRL get 380 million yearly ie 1.8 billion /5 = 360. This figure NRL could go higher if THE NZ deal comes out to say 150 ml over 5 years then NRL get 390 MILLION .

The reason why i discount contra is say in the AFL seven agreement apox 80 million dollars the put on commercials before the season opens, like wow as if they wouldn't advertise the up coming season anyway. It really is funny money. Certinly not hard cash to be calcaluted in the yearly totals.

 

[Perth Red]

you woke up in a good mood again

do you lie in bed at night thinking about what you're going to whinge about when you wake up?

Tequila hangover lol

 

[BlueandGold]

Despite fear of being labelled an afl apologist you are making those figures up lol. The losses you are quoting include the normal grant afl clubs get. Going by your methodology you would say the Storm losses are $12.6mill a year plus. 12-13 gws broke even with a $20mill grant 13-14 they cost the afl $21.75million including grant and Suns in 13-14 posted a million$ profit on a grant of $16.5million.

This is a long haul strategy for afl, they are quite happy to wear the losses now in the long term goal of being "Australia's" game.

It was interesting to see the NRL club chairs allegedly refuse the idea of a different level grant based on club need like the afl has, a good example why our game will always struggle to expand.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...fe5a9ddcc?sv=988a2997118e45e7ab99631b0d04e317

21.8million being spent on GWS in 2015 of which 12.8million are direct losses

21.8 * 5 years = 109million money spent on GWS alone

now is GWS adding that much to the AFL tv Deal, the answer is no.

So GCS and GWS are not bringing in the TV money the AFL thought they would.

2006
AFL 700m over 5years
NRL 500m over 6years

2013
5 Year AFL 1.25b = 250m annually - 40m a year on GWS and GCS
5 Year NRL 1.1b = 220m annually

2018
6 Year AFL 2.5b 414m - 40m a year on GWS and GCS
5 Year NRL 1.95b-2b 390-400m + FOXNRL + 3 Digital partners

Expansion has done little for the AFL TV deal, the NRL is closing the gap.

The NRL deal on a pound for pound basis is very good deal for our code. I don't see how you can dispute this really.

 

[Perth Red]

To compare the deals we need to know the contra/advertsing amounts in the NRL. At this stage i have not come across anY contra mentioned. Seems like fox/telstra 1.175 billion and .625 billion Nine for a total 1.8 bILLION. Current 5 year deal NZ 100 or 20 million a year so 1.9 billion is a certiny.


But this is the the AFL deal, 2.508 or rounding to 2.5 billion, over 6 years BUT with 200 million in Contra adversing or NOT hard cash, so one can subtrack 200 million for the deal to get 2.3 billion over 6 years, which comes out as 383 million pa



http://mumbrella.com.au/foxtel-and-seven-telstra-tie-up-afl-rights-in-2-5bn-deal-313048

This quote below is for the AFL deal........

It follows the NRL tying up a five-year $950m deal with the Nine Network last week. There is “around $200m of contra” included (in the AFL ) deal according to AFL CEO Gill McLachlan, who said “the AFL’s challenge is to stay Australia’s game”.

So AFL get 383 million years (2.3 billion / by 6 years )and NRL get 380 million yearly ie 1.8 billion /5 = 360. This figure NRL could go higher if THE NZ deal comes out to say 150 ml over 5 years then NRL get 390 MILLION .

The reason why i discount contra is say in the AFL seven agreement apox 80 million dollars the put on commercials before the season opens, like wow as if they wouldn't advertise the up coming season anyway. It really is funny money. Certinly not hard cash to be calcaluted in the yearly totals.

Yeh contra need to be deducted, it is just a way of making it sound more than it actually is. No mention of if NRL has any included, usually it has. You still include naming rights worth a conservative $50mill Thant needs to be deducted from the NRL Telstra deal.

End of day proof will be in the pudding. Does it get more fans to games, does it get more fans watching on tv, does it make all clubs sustainable, does it support out grassroots, does it support growth and expansion of the games footprint. If it does then it's been a great deal, if it doesn't then it has been a failure. Time I'll tell.

 

[BlueandGold]

Despite fear of being labelled an afl apologist you are making those figures up lol. The losses you are quoting include the normal grant afl clubs get. Going by your methodology you would say the Storm losses are $12.6mill a year plus. 12-13 gws broke even with a $20mill grant 13-14 they cost the afl $21.75million including grant and Suns in 13-14 posted a million$ profit on a grant of $16.5million.

This is a long haul strategy for afl, they are quite happy to wear the losses now in the long term goal of being "Australia's" game.

It was interesting to see the NRL club chairs allegedly refuse the idea of a different level grant based on club need like the afl has, a good example why our game will always struggle to expand.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...fe5a9ddcc?sv=988a2997118e45e7ab99631b0d04e317

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