Next TV rights deal part 2

[DiegoNT]

That's about how I see it too. How friggin hard is it??? All four of these areas have huge grass roots support already, the ARLC just need to give the license to smart operators that know how to grow and success should follow.

This was the sort of argument that got Titans into the comp, and now they are struggling.
At the time it was 'australia's fastest growing region, already an area with huge support for rugby league, has the grass roots infrastructure in place and gives kids in the south-east Queensland region another Avenue to play in the nrl. With smart operators like Michael searle and his team it can only be a sucess'. Less then 10 years later and it is one of the nrls few struggling clubs.
Look at the other sports in australia, super rugbys expansion hasn't done much to grow the game, A-league's expansion (wanderers aside) has been disastrous, and afl's 2 expansion teams are gigantic money pits that are causing all kinds of trouble for that league.
I want rugby to expand, but only when the game is absolutely ready for it, at a time where it'll grow the game not hinder it

 

[BuffaloRules]

There is risk in any expansion decision, but it's hard to imagine a time when there will be more money flowing into the game ( as a percentage) as what we will see from 2018..

It will be more money then what the AFL had when they decided to start funding their two money pits GC and GWS five years ago...

 

[TheRam]

I wouldn't describe Perth as having "huge grassroots support", it's got support but it's far from "huge"

Yes true, but it has considerable support. Definitely more grass roots support then Victoria. It wouldn't be hard for a well organized and professional organization to make it a big and popular part of WA's sporting culture.

It just need the right savvy group of people and the ARLC's help to make it happen.

Jeez, really how hard is it to see it? It needs to happen.

 

[TheRam]

This was the sort of argument that got Titans into the comp, and now they are struggling.
At the time it was 'australia's fastest growing region, already an area with huge support for rugby league, has the grass roots infrastructure in place and gives kids in the south-east Queensland region another Avenue to play in the nrl. With smart operators like Michael searle and his team it can only be a sucess'. Less then 10 years later and it is one of the nrls few struggling clubs.
Look at the other sports in australia, super rugbys expansion hasn't done much to grow the game, A-league's expansion (wanderers aside) has been disastrous, and afl's 2 expansion teams are gigantic money pits that are causing all kinds of trouble for that league.
I want rugby to expand, but only when the game is absolutely ready for it, at a time where it'll grow the game not hinder it

Michael Searle was neither smart nor administrator savvy enough no matter what the hype around him was. He over leveraged himself and the club financially and he brokered some real poor deals, like the stadium rental debacle.

Add to this, poor coaching and recruitment and you had shit crowds and receivership waiting to happen.

 

[DiegoNT]

Michael Searle was neither smart nor administrator savvy enough no matter what the hype around him was. He over leveraged himself and the club financially and he brokered some real poor deals, like the stadium rental debacle.

Add to this, poor coaching and recruitment and you had shit crowds and receivership waiting to happen.

So what's stopping that happening at any of the proposed expansion clubs?
If a Perth club comes in makes the same mistakes as the Titans did it would be disastrous. A rushed expansion into perth that fails would put back rugby league in wa by about 20-30 years in a similar the first failed attempt in perth did (even if it was a victim of the super league). A rushed expansion into queensland by the ffa has put back soccer in Queensland by about 30 years, and if the gws giants keep going the way they are they'll never be able to get a foothold in one of Australia's biggest markets.
A new club needs to plan for the worst case scenario. If the club doesn't have initial success or support can the nrl afford it, at the moment it seems like the nrl doesn't believe it can afford that, especially with their focused now turned to grass roots and consolidating the current clubs (the 16 clubs that just helped the nrl to its biggest pay day). The a-league didn't prepare for the worst case scenario and it ended in disaster for the fury and gold coast United. The afl did plan for no initial sucess or support, but even in with a worst case scenario in place they are still losing more money they hoped and the expansion clubs are causing problems for the league ( player depth, lopsided games that's ruining their product, traditional clubs on the brink because all money and attention are going to the money pits that are the suns and giants)

 

[Perth Red]

You could make the same argument for any of the existing 16 clubs, well maybe not Brisbane. All businesses carry a risk, you have to take risks to grow businesses. You work to minimise the risks and ensure you have enough investment to cover lean start up periods, business 101 really. I dont mind if they do a thorough analysis and decide Perth isn't ready, it's doing FA and just stringing us all along that is pissing everyone here off. No l e is talking about rushing expansion, just a plan would be nice at this point in time.

Pointless discussion, NRL lacks any vision or strategy for growth in new markets and we'll be having this same discussion in 5 years guaranteed. Well keep getting 20k to games in Perth and the NRL will keep blowing wind up our arse about how important WA is to the game. Cest Le vie.

 

[Phil McGrawhan]

You could make the same argument for any of the existing 16 clubs, well maybe not Brisbane. All businesses carry a risk, you have to take risks to grow businesses. You work to minimise the risks and ensure you have enough investment to cover lean start up periods, business 101 really. I dont mind if they do a thorough analysis and decide Perth isn't ready, it's doing FA and just stringing us all along that is pissing everyone here off. No l e is talking about rushing expansion, just a plan would be nice at this point in time.

Pointless discussion, NRL lacks any vision or strategy for growth in new markets and we'll be having this same discussion in 5 years guaranteed. Well keep getting 20k to games in Perth and the NRL will keep blowing wind up our arse about how important WA is to the game. Cest Le vie.

Have you got a brother called .
East Coast tiger ?

 

[The Voice of Reason!]

Real exansion is PNG.....
adds another dimension and easily another million viewers alone to games they are involved in.

I don't think PNG is ready for an NRL team yet. From a support viewpoint they are, but as someone else said above, the infrastructure isn't and socially I don't think PNG would be attracting too many people from outside to come and play for the franchise (I am thinking law and order levels in Moresby). The Hunterz are filling the void for now, and seeing some of the crowds they are getting for the QCup they are filling it well.

 

[The Voice of Reason!]

Have you got a brother called .
East Coast tiger ?

Just saw Spectre last night. In the scene where villian and hero are facing off in a glass reflection I thought PR was Bond and ECT Blofeld. Or the other way around. :lol:

 

[BlueandGold]

You could make the same argument for any of the existing 16 clubs, well maybe not Brisbane.All businesses carry a risk, you have to take risks to grow businesses. You work to minimise the risks and ensure you have enough investment to cover lean start up periods, business 101 really. I dont mind if they do a thorough analysis and decide Perth isn't ready, it's doing FA and just stringing us all along that is pissing everyone here off. No l e is talking about rushing expansion, just a plan would be nice at this point in time.

Pointless discussion, NRL lacks any vision or strategy for growth in new markets and we'll be having this same discussion in 5 years guaranteed. Well keep getting 20k to games in Perth and the NRL will keep blowing wind up our arse about how important WA is to the game. Cest Le vie.

THE AFL could do worse than look to rugby league to ensure all of its clubs can sustain growth, Collingwood boss Eddie McGuire believes.
The ARL has signed off on a landmark funding arrangement that will see NRL clubs boosted with an extra $100 million from 2018 to 2022, grants totalling 130 per cent of player payments over that time, perpetual licences ensuring stability and an extra $1.5 million per club from 2016 to 2022.
McGuire says he has been campaigning for a similar arrangement in AFL in the hope that all clubs will eventually be capable of developing facilities of the ilk of the Magpies and Hawthorn

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...t/news-story/cf61b83931489b124c2ff5a16e10ce52


Eddie McGuire seems to think the NRL decision to fund clubs is a master stroke.

700million for Grassroots, more than tripple being spent in the last deal.

I call that Vision. :lol::lol:

 

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NRL gain more digital control in new rights deal with Telstra

The NRL will take back control of its digital assets, including the NRL.com and club websites, under the terms of its new broadcast deal.

The move will mean the competition and its clubs will be able to keep revenue from digital source such as advertising, which is now primarily sold by rights holder Telstra as part of the existing broadcast contract. Telstra and the NRL also currently have a joint venture media unit that provides news, statistical and video content.

Telstra will maintain digital broadcast rights to mobile phones and tablets as part of the five-year $1.8 billion rights deal the NRL signed with Fox Sports, Nine Entertainment Co and Telstra two weeks ago, but the NRL itself will have more direct control over the content of digital assets such as websites and social media.

"This gives us the opportunity to build our own voice with our own resources with our community," NRL chairman John Grant said. "And it is one of the sources we think we can generate more revenue from."

Grant said the league would also discuss with Telstra how it could transition to new arrangements during the next two seasons.

Read more: http://www.afr.com/business/sport/n...al-with-telstra-20151203-glf8r9#ixzz3taKIR6sc
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[siv]

Good move by the NRL as long as the clubs can leverage off it

 

[taipan]

Another smart move by the NRL.These "suits" apparently have no idea .:sarcasm:

 

[Last Week]

They really do seem to be pushing to take control of the social media landscape.

 

[insert.pause]

Advertising $, all the banner ads and ads before videos will now generate revenue for the NRL and not Telstra. Clubs obviously knew about it before the deal was announced because revenue sharing of digital properties was one of their demands in the funding negotiations, which is still yet to be announced but which clubs want based on the MLB model. They now have the motivation to build NRL Media and generate original content to drive traffic and digital advertising. Should see more of the same kind of shows they had this year with vossy & matt elliot. Might even be opportunities to then sell that content to fox to run on the NRL channel.

 

[Last Week]

Advertising $, all the banner ads and ads before videos will now generate revenue for the NRL and not Telstra. Clubs obviously knew about it before the deal was announced because revenue sharing of digital properties was one of their demands in the funding negotiations, which is still yet to be announced but which clubs want based on the MLB model. They now have the motivation to build NRL Media and generate original content to drive traffic and digital advertising. Should see more of the same kind of shows they had this year with vossy & matt elliot. Might even be opportunities to then sell that content to fox to run on the NRL channel.

Good thinking, but I fear that the NRL don't exactly know their customers.

I wonder if clubs will be allowed to produce their own content.

 

[insert.pause]

Good thinking, but I fear that the NRL don't exactly know their customers.

I wonder if clubs will be allowed to produce their own content.

They already do and a revenue sharing model will motivate them to do more, all the clubs are on the same telstra network so they will be growing the pie together, which will mean greater access to players & coaches.

 

[Perth Red]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/eddie-mcguire-campaigning-for-new--funding-agreement/news-story/cf61b83931489b124c2ff5a16e10ce52


Eddie McGuire seems to think the NRL decision to fund clubs is a master stroke.

700million for Grassroots, more than tripple being spent in the last deal.

I call that Vision. :lol::lol:

Well if Eddie says it is a good thing it must be :crazy:

 

[franklin2323]

Another smart move by the NRL.These "suits" apparently have no idea .:sarcasm:

I'd argue the clubs would rather fans be able to show up to all games & have the 4th FTA game then this. So the gain is more to compromise for the shit 6pm & the loss of the 4th FTA game then any extra

 

[siv]

Fan attendance means greater membership and greater merchandise sales

If you lock.out the kids then the next generation of fan or player will choose another sport