Next TV rights deal

[bileduct]

At NEWS Corp the Journalist writes whatever the prevailing instructions from Murdoch/Mitchell are,as journals of record your better off reading a fairy tales.
The Journalists do what they are told look at the bunkum pushed out by the so called sports reporters at the Smell O Graph

That's why this meme illustrates the Limited News pecking order so well...

 

[saint pebba]

I know it wont happen but gee it would be good if clubs and players stopped giving interviews or answering questions from news corp journalists

 

[Evil_Mush]

While all this entertaining furore about Fox/News is going on, it makes me wonder how the potential streaming models (assuming that comes about) will work for NZ fans such as myself.

Sky TV is a similar "antiquated" pay TV model with many subscribers really only there for the sport with the rise of download/streaming services for TV & movies. Which as it happens also gets a bit of a bashing itself in social media this side of the ditch with price rising whole content reduces (e.g. losing the EPL and PGA recently, not to mention the perceived penny pinching of not even showing current Black Caps series in South Africa after great World Cup campaign, final aside).

 

[flippikat]

While all this entertaining furore about Fox/News is going on, it makes me wonder how the potential streaming models (assuming that comes about) will work for NZ fans such as myself.

Sky TV is a similar "antiquated" pay TV model with many subscribers really only there for the sport with the rise of download/streaming services for TV & movies. Which as it happens also gets a bit of a bashing itself in social media this side of the ditch with price rising whole content reduces (e.g. losing the EPL and PGA recently, not to mention the perceived penny pinching of not even showing current Black Caps series in South Africa after great World Cup campaign, final aside).

It'll be interesting to see if the NRL are willing to forgo some of the Sky money to get a better free-to-air deal in New Zealand. There's nothing compelling the NRL to change the current arrangement (just the Warriors game on Maori TV, often with a 24 hour delay) as we have no anti-syphoning laws like Australia, but would the NRL value better exposure for the game over getting the absolute top dollar from Sky?

 

[Perth Red]

It'll be interesting to see if the NRL are willing to forgo some of the Sky money to get a better free-to-air deal in New Zealand. There's nothing compelling the NRL to change the current arrangement (just the Warriors game on Maori TV, often with a 24 hour delay) as we have no anti-syphoning laws like Australia, but would the NRL value better exposure for the game over getting the absolute top dollar from Sky?

No, they've shown through the lack Of any expansion plan that unless TV wants it that all that matters is top $.

 

[Perth Red]

Rolling coverage, this is the second time DAVIDSON has stated that Telstra wants out of the naming rights.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...-tv-rights-talks/story-e6frg996-1227498714500


Over at fairfax spokesperson for Telstra say 'we like NRL we want the digital rights ( but did not say want to continue naming rights )


The naming rights is a second order issue. For exampple AFL sponsor is Toyota, it is around 8 ml a year. The current deal for NRL is tied up with streaming rights and was reported at 100 million over 5 yrs.


The negotiators should demand a contract (signed now b4 streaming rights, at 3/4? million pa which is exclusive to only naming rights (no use/control of NRL website included. This contract must be signed before a deal on online rights can be negotiated. This will flush them out if they are contemplating existing the naming rights. Dont get me wrong they Telstra want the mobile/digital/tablet rights, pretty bad, properly not so the naming rights. These stories could also mean that the negations are not going well and their is a gap between price and exclusiveness. MR Fraser, ex qld trs don't sell the mobile/tablet rights before the pay tv deal AND naming rights deals..


Anyway get going approach Optus or Vodafone in regards streaming rights if Telstra does not pay 50 million p/a which is the current AFL contract, (250 million total), NRL IS THE MOST STREAMED SPORT GAME IN AUSTRALIA, FACT.

Telstra have been screwing nrl as much as fox for years. The last deal was worth $50mill less than afl got and included naming rights at a value of $40mill so effectively they paid $90mill over 5 years less than they paid for afl.

 

[colly]

This is the picture, maybe more can be made that all should be followed. As james in comment said, maybe give a big FU FOXTEL.
http://www.theroar.com.au/2015/08/26/nrl-tv-rights-hell-hath-no-fury-like-a-media-baron-scorned/

 

[undertaker]

While all this entertaining furore about Fox/News is going on, it makes me wonder how the potential streaming models (assuming that comes about) will work for NZ fans such as myself.

Sky TV is a similar "antiquated" pay TV model with many subscribers really only there for the sport with the rise of download/streaming services for TV & movies. Which as it happens also gets a bit of a bashing itself in social media this side of the ditch with price rising whole content reduces (e.g. losing the EPL and PGA recently, not to mention the perceived penny pinching of not even showing current Black Caps series in South Africa after great World Cup campaign, final aside).

What? They aren't even showing the NZ cricket team? So, there's no way you can watch your team.

 

[Cumberland Throw]

Agreed they need to totally rip apart the naming rights and the streaming rights...

$10 mill naming and $60 mill streaming a year seems fair...

 

[applesauce]

So after chatting to Foxtel, TPG has decided to remove Fetch TV from iinet.

www.brisbanetimes.com.au/digital-li...s-iinet-to-dump-fetch-tv-20150826-gj7yet.html

 

[bobmar28]

So after chatting to Foxtel, TPG has decided to remove Fetch TV from iinet.

www.brisbanetimes.com.au/digital-li...s-iinet-to-dump-fetch-tv-20150826-gj7yet.html

Fetch on Optus is great. Yesterday I watched the NFL Buccaneers v Bengals on ESPN. Interesting to note the Pirate ship for Tampa Bay fans........would go all right in Perth for the Pirates.

 

[tumbidragon]

Can't have competition now can we.

 

[colly]

PERTH RED SAID.......

Telstra have been screwing nrl as much as fox for years. The last deal was worth $50mill less than afl got and included naming rights at a value of $40mill so effectively they paid $90mill over 5 years less than they paid for afl.

Very true, See Davidson again today in the Australian. this tells me again Telstra ARE DESPERATE FOR THE STREAMING RIGHTS. One should say 'hey your one half of the pay tv deal, sort out that and we TALK online streaming rights"
Why because you can use the mobile/platform 3/4g to spread your product further especially if they (Foxteltra pay TV ) put in a low ball bid. Combined with the 'internet' rights the online streaming rights can possible go it alone.(mobile/platform and internet/fixed platform are two different things)
In two years time more broadband faster mobile streaming the NRL needs to put a stake through Uncles heart and a silver bullet to boot, whereby Uncle's the last gasp from the dark side would be "You F***ed me NRL"

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...-steaming-rights/story-fn91v9q3-1227500325025

 

[Captain Apollo]

The following was published by the Sydney Morning Herald -

Why the NRL is looking for greater exposure instead of top dollar in TV rights strategy
Date: August 26, 2015 - 3:37PM
by Roy Masters

Critics of the ARLC's broadcast dealings would have you believe chief executive Dave Smith has chosen the poorhouse over the countinghouse.

The decision by Smith to accept a $925 million five-year offer from Channel Nine to broadcast four free-to-air NRL games a week, potentially jeopardising more than a billion dollars he could receive from Fox Sports, is designed to project rugby league into as many Australian homes as possible.

While the AFL will receive $2.5 billion over six years, at least five of its weekly games will be shown on Rupert Murdoch's Fox Sports, which reaches only 30 per cent of Australian homes.

Largely unreported in the comparison between the AFL and NRL deals is the significant populations in regional and rural NSW and Queensland.
Channel Nine's four prime-time games on Thursday, Friday and Saturday nights, together with a Sunday afternoon telecast, will go into more than twice as many non-metropolitan homes in the rugby league states of NSW and Queensland than in the equivalent homes in the AFL states of Victoria, South Australia and Western Australia. There are more than 5 million people living outside Sydney and Brisbane in the two northern states, compared to 2.3 million people living outside the capital cities of Victoria, South Australia and Western Australia.

It is these people in rural NSW and Queensland who made the 2014 NRL grand final the most-watched program Australia wide on TV last year, compared to the AFL decider, which was No.1 on the six capital city count.

It is not the first time rugby league has been forced to decide between money and exposure. John Quayle, when chief executive of the code, recalls receiving a petition with 1 million signatures from league fans in the bush, protesting over the decision to take the ABC's Saturday afternoon telecast of a game in the old Sydney competition and give it to Channel Nine.

"Kerry Packer gave us a million dollars to take the game off Channel Two, telling us that everywhere the Mike Walsh show goes in Australia, Nine will take rugby league," Quayle recalled. "What we didn't know was that Channel Seven had a footprint everywhere we wanted to go, including the country areas and the Northern Territory. We received a petition of 1 million signatures, just from the people of NSW and Queensland, to get the ABC broadcast back.

"We went to Kerry and said, 'You've got to give us Saturday back'. One of the reasons why I had so much loyalty to him in future dealings against Rupert Murdoch during the Super League war was that he agreed Nine give up the game to Channel Two, although he warned us we would not be getting nearly as much money from the ABC."

Packer's decision was supported by Packer's then lieutenant, David Hill, who, ironically later joined Murdoch as boss of Fox Sports in the US. Quayle said, "David Hill told me, 'Always remember your sport should go where the population is'.

"He said, 'The money will never be as good as the exposure'. It was the catalyst for our future regional expansion with teams in Newcastle, Brisbane, Gold Coast and north Queensland."

A few years later, another David Hill – the managing director of the ABC - was forced through the public broadcaster's eternal budgetary problems to relinquish rugby league. Quayle says: "The ABC's David Hill told us he wouldn't be paying, so the Saturday afternoon game went off Channel Two again."

Now on the board of the Newcastle Knights, Quayle endorses Smith's decision to take as many free-to-air games as possible to expand the code's reach. His position with the Knights rules him out of joining the ARLC, a possibility promoted, again ironically, in Rupert's News Corp papers. Told that the ARLC constitution forbids anyone who has held a club position in the previous three years joining it, Quayle said, "I'm wiped again," a jocular reference to News rejecting him when the commission was formed in February 2012.

Quayle watched the AFL press conference where Murdoch declared it the superior game. "He hasn't changed his words," Quayle said. "He only changed his code. I wish he had said that 20 years ago when he launched Super League. It would have saved about $700m, including the money [chairman] Ken Arthurson and I had been counting on as the code's future fund."

 

[RoosTah]

Roy makes some good points there. As a Union fan as well I've long said that if the ARU had had any brains back in 2005 they'd have accepted less money and just got Super Rugby on FTA back when FTA was interested. Having your game mostly on cable is a sure fire way to kill it and Rugby has proven that.

 

[DC_fan]

writedowns drag nine to a $592m loss

nine entertainment has reported a full year loss of $592.1 million largely due to massive writedowns, and has forecast a fall in its share of market revenue.

A $792 million non-cash impairment charge dragged nine into the red for the year to june 30, with a $101 million tax credit associated with the sale of nine live partially offsetting the writedown.

underlying profit dropped 2.9 per cent to $140.1 million on a continuing fall in tv advertising.

underlying earnings also dropped 7.6 per cent to $287.3 million, in line with june's downgraded guidance of between $285 million and $290 million.

Chief executive officer david gyngell said nine's ratings had improved during the first two months of 2015/16, but that its share of the free-to-air advertising market was still likely to decline.

"in what has been a difficult free-to-air advertising market, our june quarter share performance was short of our expectations," mr gyngell said.

"nine's ratings performance has improved markedly since the beginning of july, which is expected to underpin revenue share over the half.

"however, it is likely that full year share will be marginally down on that of fy15, given the intensely competitive market, coupled with the timing of certain major events."

nine said the metro free-to-air advertising market shrunk 1.5 per cent over the year and warned that, which it is expected to grow modestly in 2015/16, monthly outcomes were volatile.

the regional market declined 3.2 per cent and will continue to perform badly compared to metro.

nine, which recently finalised the sale of its ticketing and events business and struck a $147 million deal to sell its sydney headquarters, said it has been buoyed by its newly signed $925 million five-year nrl broadcast contract, which starts in 2018.

"together with our expectation of improved affiliate terms, the expiry of loss making international programming commitments, and our industry leading debt free balance sheet, we are in a very strong position," mr gyngell said.

Nine's numbers

* net loss: $592.1m vs $57.9m net profit

* revenue: Up 7.6pct to $1.4b

* fully franked final dividend: 5.0 cents per share, up 0.8 of a cent.

http://www.msn.com/en-au/money/news...-a-dollar592m-loss/ar-bbm7nbr?ocid=spartandhp

The story ends with a positive spin for C.9 as the NRL contract gets a mention. But some other parts of the story suggest tough time ahead for FTA from an advertising viewpoint.

 

[RoosTah]

Smith 'will deliver' NRL TV goods

The extraordinary growth in Australia of online streaming service Netflix, who have emerged as a key player in negotiations for the digital rights of rugby league, is a sure indication the NRL can double $925 million they have already banked under their new broadcast deal.

That is the opinion of a leading digital media expert, who predicts NRL boss Dave Smith will silence his critics and deliver the game a $1.85 million bounty to the game's coffers.

Damian Damjanovski, lead strategist at strategic agency Common Ventures said sport is the "next huge step" for streaming services aiming to monetise the Australian market. Smith signed off the free-to-air TV rights for 2018-2022 to Channel Nine two years ahead of time earlier this month in a deal that guarantees four games a week to viewers.

That money might not have been available in future years given the continued slide in viewers the commercial networks can command. But former banker Smith has held off on signing away the digital rights in the belief they will only increase in value over the next two seasons, as the likes of Netflix, Google, who own YouTube, and even Apple look to cash in on the advertising opportunities available.

Former NRL CEO David Gallop was heavily criticised by some who felt the current digital rights deal was undervalued when signed over to Telstra. Smith stands to do far better. "Music is crowded, they can't make money out of news, so sport is the next big revenue stream for the megaplayers such as Amazon, Google and Apple," Damjanovski told AAP.

"The value of the digital rights will only continue to increase over the next two years. And as they do I see the NRL matching the deal they already have signed with free-to-air TV." Damjanovski points to the growth of Netflix, who have amassed one million subscribers since launching in Australia 12 months ago, as a guide to where viewer habits and advertising money are heading.

That growth coupled with Fox Sports' monopoly on Pay TV coverage perhaps being challenged by the likes of ESPN and the emerging beIN Sports, a subsidiary of Al Jazeera Media Network, is set to boost the total broadcast revenue.

However this is likely to be the last time such broadcast negotiations are held, trumpeted and scrutinised so publicly. "From 2023 onwards there won't be any more negotiations, the NRL will deliver its product, directly to the patron," Damjanovski said.

That means footy fans will buy games direct from the NRL. But that remains years away. In the meantime, Smith has two years to impress disgruntled clubs with the figure he can negotiate.

"Negotiations are continuing," an NRL spokesman told AAP. "The focus on those negotiations will be to deliver the best deal for the fans and the game."

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2015/08/27/smith-will-deliver-nrl-tv-goods

From SBS. Interesting take from Damjanovski, but I personally think the Netflix thing is too underdeveloped.

 

[insert.pause]

From SBS. Interesting take from Damjanovski, but I personally think the Netflix thing is too underdeveloped.

it's AAP, it was on ninemsn as well. I don't see netflix getting into sport, google yes.

 

[strong_latte]

Gyngell reckons Fox will end up paying something similar to what they've payed for the AFL.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/medi...-nine-boss-david-gyngell-20150827-gj95f7.html

 

[RoosTah]

Here's an interesting one:

Andrew Johns poised to defect from Channel Nine to Fox Sports

FOX Sports has made an audacious bid to snatch Andrew Johns from Channel Nine with a view of making him and brother Matt the new face of the network's rugby league coverage. Now, fans, does that sound like Fox Sports is about to turn its back on the NRL to you?

We've been told a "huge offer" has been tabled for Johns. Should he sign with Fox Sports, he will form a formidable combination with Matt, whose panel shows throughout the week are as entertaining as most matches.

Bagging sports commentators and sideline eyes is a national pastime in this country, and Johns has attracted his fair slice of critics since a neck injury forced him into premature retirement and into full-time calling.

But his commentary has improved infinitely in recent years. When Joey is providing "master-classes" into what's happening on the field, the viewer always learns something new from the game's greatest halfback.

Away from the play, he's a strong voice on all issues. Just ask Trent Hodkinson.
He'd also be hilarious sitting on a couch with Matt, Gorden Tallis, Bryan Fletcher and Nathan Hindmarsh. Footy is supposed to be fun. These blokes remind us of that fact.

So if Fox Sports secure Johns, it will be a significant coup.

The approach could not have come at a more interesting time after Nine boss David Gyngell completely stunned Fox Sports and owner News Corp with a $925 million deal to broadcast footy from 2018.

News Corp boss Rupert Murdoch has given strong indications he'll walk away from the NRL, but let's hope that is all just bluff and bluster, as many predict.

Say what you will about the media empire's nefarious grip on the game for two decades, but Fox Sports' coverage has become polished and professional, although some commentators are painful to listen to.

If Nine was to counter-attack, they could do worse than snap up Braith Anasta, who has been a revelation for Fox Sports this season.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...fox-sports-20150827-gj8wna.html#ixzz3k0b3CrQM
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