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Nielsen gone

beads6

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Don't worry Clarke is bowling Watto much more so he is forced to go down the order..
 

Hallatia

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Ergh, I don't even support the Australian cricket team and I feel uneasiness for the Australian side because of the still having no coach situation particularly with the Australian Summer about to commence.
Not rushing decision on coach despite urgencey - Sutherland
Brydon Coverdale
October 13, 2011

Cricket Australia will not rush in to naming Tim Nielsen's replacement as head coach, even if it means starting the home summer with the stand-in Troy Cooley still in charge. The appointment of Pat Howard as general manager of team performance means that in theory the search for a new mentor can move forward, but it will be slowed by the fact Howard does not start his new job until mid-November.

That leaves only a fortnight before the first Test of the summer, against New Zealand at the Gabba starting on December 1. Cooley, the head coach at the Centre of Excellence in Brisbane, is with Australia's squad in South Africa as acting coach, and he could find himself filling the position a little longer, after Cricket Australia's chief executive James Sutherland said the process would roll out over "the next couple of months".

"We know and understand that we don't have a coach, we've got Troy Cooley, who is acting in the role at the moment," Sutherland said. "We're very aware of that. What I've always said is we will step up this process but we're not going to get ahead of ourselves. We understand the urgency but we're not going to compromise the process, because we have to make sure that we go through a rigorous process to identify the best person for the job.

"It's clearly a key focus and virtually the first thing that will come on to Pat's radar. We're in a position from today to go forward very quickly with that and roll that out over the next month or so, or whatever it takes - probably over the next couple of months."

Howard will be a key man in finding the new head coach, an expanded position that also involves directing the coaching strategy for elite cricket throughout Australia. He said the captain Michael Clarke would play an important role in determining the new mentor, as the pair would need to work closely together to push Australia back up the Test rankings.

"He's got to be complementary and work with the captain," Howard said. "You can't have antagonism working from day one - that's never going to work. So the ability to have effectively what is the spine of cricket, the coach and captain, has got to work really well together. Those considerations have absolutely got to be part of how you fit that jigsaw puzzle together. Michael's skills and strengths have got to be utilised and complemented."

Appointing coaches is nothing new for Howard. During his time as high-performance chief with the Australian Rugby Union he signed the New Zealander Robbie Deans as coach of Australia's national side, a move that has resulted in the Wallabies reaching this Sunday's World Cup semi-final against the All Blacks. Australia's cricket team has never had a foreign head coach, and while that tradition is likely to continue, Howard will at least bring a fresh perspective to the search.

"I see myself having a very strong role in that," he said. "I have done a lot of coach recruitment - ACT Brumbies, the Reds in Queensland, who won the Super-15 this year, and Australia. I have a fairly strong history, albeit in another sport, in this.

"I recruited Robbie Deans. That was a fairly unique time. It was what was required in the game at the time and we went through a fairly rigorous process in being able to deal with that. You've got to recruit the best person for the job. That factors in things like culture, it factors in where the team is at, and you don't take in an pre-conceived ideas. A big thing for me is that it's not about the names, it's about getting the capabilities that the game needs right now to complement the other people who are there."

The other major appointment on the horizon is the national selector, a full-time role that will include heading a five-man selection panel. For the time being, the incumbent chairman of selectors, Andrew Hilditch, remains in position along with the part-time selector Jamie Cox, while Greg Chappell, who will be cut when a new panel is appointed, is in South Africa as the selector on duty.

"We're probably more advanced in the national selector role," Sutherland said. "We advertised a few weeks ago, so the search consultant recruiter that we've been working with has been meeting with various people and has gathered a list of names that has been waiting in abeyance for the general manager to be appointed. Now we're at a stage where we can start talking about that a bit more freely and start getting down to a shortlist to identify that. It's going to be a similar sort of time frame but we're certainly very aware that the summer is approaching and we want to have someone on board as quickly as possible."
http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/story/536342.html?CMP=chrome
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"I see myself having a very strong role in that," he said. "I have done a lot of coach recruitment - ACT Brumbies, the Reds in Queensland, who won the Super-15 this year, and Australia. I have a fairly strong history, albeit in another sport, in this.

"I recruited Robbie Deans. That was a fairly unique time. It was what was required in the game at the time and we went through a fairly rigorous process in being able to deal with that. You've got to recruit the best person for the job. That factors in things like culture, it factors in where the team is at, and you don't take in an pre-conceived ideas. A big thing for me is that it's not about the names, it's about getting the capabilities that the game needs right now to complement the other people who are there."

Wow Pat, you asked the most winning coach in Super Rugby history to take over the national side and pay him a shitload in the process. What a remarkable effort.
 
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Why the f**k do we have an Onion nuffy for the high performance position?

Fmd. It's becoming clearer and clearer that it's Sutherland who's the main problem. I guy like John Buchanan (if available) would have been perfect for the role.
 

Hallatia

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Why the f**k do we have an Onion nuffy for the high performance position?

Fmd. It's becoming clearer and clearer that it's Sutherland who's the main problem. I guy like John Buchanan (if available) would have been perfect for the role.
Clarke likes the idea too
Howard's lack of cricket experience not an issue - Clarke
Brydon Coverdale
October 13, 2011

Australia's captain, Michael Clarke, does not believe Pat Howard's lack of cricket experience will be a problem after he was appointed to one of Cricket Australia's most senior positions. Howard, a former rugby international, was on Thursday unveiled as the general manager of team performance, a newly-created role in which Clarke and the head coach will report to him.

A self-confessed "terrible legspinner" whose main cricket experience came at school, Howard will be responsible for installing Australia's new coach and full-time selector, and faces the challenge of helping the team rise back up the Test rankings. Clarke said Howard's off-field record, which included a high-performance position with the Australian Rugby Union, was impressive, and his new job was not a role that required someone with cricket expertise.

"His job is not to be the head coach or the captain, he's been very successful in this role and he's done it before [in rugby]," Clarke told reporters in Sydney, before flying out for Australia's tour of South Africa. "He's played a lot of sport and he knows his cricket well enough, so I'm not concerned at all that he hasn't played cricket at the highest level. Now it is about communication between the CEO, James Sutherland, the head coach, the chairman of selectors and the captain to work out what we need to do to continue going forward."

The most pressing issue now is the appointment of a coach, after Tim Nielsen stepped down following the tour of Sri Lanka. The expanded head coach position features much more responsibility, in line with recommendations from the Argus review, with the new mentor set to direct the coaching strategies throughout elite cricket in Australia as well as within the national side.

The former South Africa coach, Mickey Arthur, and Australia's fielding coach, Steve Rixon, are likely to be among the leading candidates, although it could take up to two months for an appointment to be made. On Thursday, Howard indicated the importance of ensuring Clarke and the new mentor could work well together, and Clarke confirmed he would have some input into the appointment.

"I'll probably have an impact in regards to the coach, and it is down to James [Sutherland] and the general manager to make these decisions, but I'm confident there will be communication as we try and get the best people for the job," he said. "We all want to see Australian cricket get back to being number one in all forms of the game and whoever gets these selection roles will have that mindset."
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Hallatia

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hmmm ... counted, aye? MacGill was 37 when he retired. I doubt this guy's ability to count.
We counted on MacGill to play on - Nielsen
Daniel Brettig
November 3, 2011

Stuart MacGill threw Australian cricket's plan for life after Shane Warne into a state of confusion when he retired almost two years earlier than expected, the former national coach Tim Nielsen has said.

Nielsen revealed in an interview with ESPNcricinfo that the team expected MacGill to play on until the end of 2009, rather than ending his career in the middle of the 2008 West Indies tour.

Such a path would have had MacGill face India, New Zealand, South Africa and then England on the 2009 Ashes tour. Instead, his retirement started a cycle of scatter-shot spin bowling selections that continued unabated for three years, and may only be settling now after Nathan Lyon's success on his first Test tour in Sri Lanka.

Nielsen admitted he was unsure whether in all that time the team and the selectors knew exactly what they were looking for in a spinner.

"I just wonder whether we ever clearly understood what role we wanted the spinner to actually play," Nielsen said. "We came off the Warne era and the MacGill era, MacGill retired in the West Indies in '08 which was why Beau [Casson] came in to debut.

"What really was the issue was we counted on MacGill to play through until the end of 2009 really, and when that changed, it put us under a bit of pressure from a spin bowling stocks point of view, we had young blokes who weren't quite ready and maybe thrown in the deep end a bit early. At different times there were decisions made that it might actually hurt them more to keep going rather than just yank them out and let them play a bit more Shield cricket."

Having spent most of his career in the shadow of Warne, MacGill became Australia's No. 1 spinner at the end of 2007 but immediately ran into a range of physical problems, from chronic knee trouble to the damaging emergence of carpal-tunnel syndrome, which robbed him of feeling in his spinning fingers.

"MacGill isn't talked about much but he took 200 Test wickets. By then he was probably older than he needed to be to play every Test match for a couple of years," Nielsen said. "He'd played a lot of Test cricket by the time he got the opportunity to be the only spinner, he must've played 50 Test matches, and he had chronic knees, he'd been around the system for a long time.

"What we did do after that was speculate a couple of times, that didn't quite work out, [Nathan] Hauritz has been pretty good I reckon. Because we've had a few spinners in a row it continues to be talked about, and in the background under all that you say is SK Warne. Someone we relied on and loved to have for so long, was no longer there.

"It was a hard place to be as a spinner because there was this public expectation of the next Warne and our Test match victories a lot of the time happened with the quicks doing damage in the first part of the game and then Warney cleaning up in the second half. When we didn't have that sort of option there was pressure put on publicly and I'm sure they felt it themselves, so it wasn't that easy."

Among the most curious cases in Australia's spin saga was that of Jason Krejza, dropped only one Test after taking 12 wickets on his debut in India as an aggressive bowler. Nielsen said that looking back, Krejza might easily have been persisted with, though he also highlighted the problem of bowlers learning their trade at Test level because they were not given enough room by their states in first-class cricket.

"In hindsight it is easy to say exactly that, we should have stuck with him," Nielsen said. "The hard part was he was very inexperienced, a bit like us having to pick Hauritz out of the NSW second XI. Everybody yells and screams about the selectors having to pick spinners, well I'd like the states to start picking some spinners as well and sticking with them.

"While the selectors can be panned for that, it is bloody hard to go up and learn your caper at the highest level. We need to get these kids in there and give them a run and a chance to get their heads around first-class cricket, and learn. Ideally by the time they get to Test match cricket they've been up and down and through the mill a couple of times, and understand how to cope when its not spinning a lot in Perth or its not going that well in Brisbane. They've learned by playing there."
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hmmm ... counted, aye? MacGill was 37 when he retired. I doubt this guy's ability to count.
Sauce

Lol what, at 37 it was something of an improbable thought to see MacGill play one more year? He was in the middle of a test series when he "retired" aswell. MacGill was 36 when Warne retired and 2 years of him in the test team was widely accepted to be the the short term fix and I'm sure he even said it aswell, then he gave up on the West Indies tour after he got spanked around the park in the first two tests. He was no loss anyway.

MacGill was the Johnson of the spin with the hallmark Hodge whinge.
 

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We simply won't rest until we reach the 2059 Ashes series and we wheel Warnie out Weekend At Bernie's style.
 

yappy

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Lol what, at 37 it was something of an improbable thought to see MacGill play one more year? He was in the middle of a test series when he "retired" aswell. MacGill was 36 when Warne retired and 2 years of him in the test team was widely accepted to be the the short term fix and I'm sure he even said it aswell, then he gave up on the West Indies tour after he got spanked around the park in the first two tests. He was no loss anyway.
MacGill was the Johnson of the spin with the hallmark Hodge whinge.

Bit harsh. About the 3rd or 4th fastest to 200 wickets in history. He retired due to chronic injury. What's the guy supposed to do? As for whinging I don't recall MacGill ever being much of a whinger, he was always saying how great it was to be able to get the chance to play with Warne and he accepted he wasn't of Warne's class. Still he was a huge loss and a much more credible performer than Johnson. If only he could have been 5 or so years younger we would have had no spin problems at all when Warne retired.
 

Hallatia

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I'm hearing a bunch of murmurs that a new coach should be announced before the Australian Summer commences
 

Matt23

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I'm hearing a bunch of murmurs that a new coach should be announced before the Australian Summer commences
Yep Foxsports all but confirmed that...hopefully the new coaches first order of business is to f**k Justin Langer off
 

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Bit harsh. About the 3rd or 4th fastest to 200 wickets in history. He retired due to chronic injury. What's the guy supposed to do? As for whinging I don't recall MacGill ever being much of a whinger, he was always saying how great it was to be able to get the chance to play with Warne and he accepted he wasn't of Warne's class. Still he was a huge loss and a much more credible performer than Johnson. If only he could have been 5 or so years younger we would have had no spin problems at all when Warne retired.

Absolutely. You have to wonder what MacGill could have achieved had he not happened to come along at the same time as SK Warne.

As for Neilson, it's a bit rich saying they had planned for MacGill to play through to 2009. It's two years on from that now, Tim, and we still don't have any idea what we're doing in the spin bowling department. Obviously you didn't put any plans in place!
 
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