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Bandwagon

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A 40v tool would have less power then an 80v......
A 28V would use more power then a 14V. Battery Amps would not change the power of the tool. Just effect how long it runs before needing a charge.

If your mower is 28V and you purchased a 10A battery and a 20A battery the 20A would take twice as long to charge. Power is identical. Physical size and weight of battery most likely changes but not always. In drills a 2aH battery is half size of a 3aH which is same size as a 4 and 5 Ah.... I prefer a 2aH as its lighter and charges more then twice as fast and for a drill and my weak arms it is my preference. But if use a circ saw or grinder then a 5Ah is more suitable.

Well, mate I'd suggest you do a little more research on how these things are set up, particularly how lithium batteries are put together and their charge and discharge rates All these tools use basically the same cells ( same voltage / amphours ) they are just joined differently to give you different voltages, and yes whilst a higher voltage battery may offer more power that will relate directly to less run-time on the same size battery. the only way around this is to add more cells ( make the battery bigger )

So using your example a 14v battery could run eight 3.6 volt cells with two banks of four batteries wired in series , so 14.4v then the two banks wired in parallel to each other, so if each cell was 1000ma you end up with amp / bank and two banks so 2amps, to make that same set of cells 28v you'd wire the lot in series, so you end up with 28.8 volts, but you only have 1 amp. So whilst you deliver a higher voltage, you only have half the amps , and being a sparky, you would know that watts ( power ) is volts multiplied by amps,

Charge rates are governed by the power of the charger and the limitations of the cells themselves, a larger battery can be charged in the same time as a smaller battery, however it requires more power, because you are charging more cells. The limitation is only in the maximum charge rate of the individual cells, which given they are are all basically the same, it's the same. ( 1c ) The only difference being that with larger batteries ( more cells ) the balance part of the charge cycle can be longer as there are more cells to charge. Typically this will be the last 20% of the charge cycle. Lithium stuff is pretty clever, the battery and the charger "talk" to each other and monitor charge rates, which is necessary because if cell voltage drops too low, or charge rates are too high, they overheat and go up in flames.( exploding samsung phone for example )

Where you experience different charge times ( longer for a larger battery ) it is because the charger hasn't the capacity to charge the larger battery at the full rate at which the all the cells combined can handle. So as long as the the larger battery is mated to a larger charger, the charge time is the same, because its limited only by the maximum charge rate of the individual cells, which are all the same.
 

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power = kw but they wont rate them in kw probabaly for the reasons that Bandy said, its not a marketing click word

Hindy was talking in aH (ampere hours) similar to kilowatts but disregarding the power factor which is not too relevant in DC motors and aH applies to the battery, not the motor. If you want power you need to look at the motor.

Simplistically multiply the amps by volts and what ever gives you the biggest number will have the most power (in KVAs) but what its in is not relevant.
Thanks. The more expensive options are brushless. What does that mean ?
 

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Well, mate I'd suggest you do a little more research on how these things are set up, particularly how lithium batteries are put together and their charge and discharge rates All these tools use basically the same cells ( same voltage / amphours ) they are just joined differently to give you different voltages, and yes whilst a higher voltage battery may offer more power that will relate directly to less run-time on the same size battery. the only way around this is to add more cells ( make the battery bigger )

So using your example a 14v battery could run eight 3.6 volt cells with two banks of four batteries wired in series , so 14.4v then the two banks wired in parallel to each other, so if each cell was 1000ma you end up with amp / bank and two banks so 2amps, to make that same set of cells 28v you'd wire the lot in series, so you end up with 28.8 volts, but you only have 1 amp. So whilst you deliver a higher voltage, you only have half the amps , and being a sparky, you would know that watts ( power ) is volts multiplied by amps,

Charge rates are governed by the power of the charger and the limitations of the cells themselves, a larger battery can be charged in the same time as a smaller battery, however it requires more power, because you are charging more cells. The limitation is only in the maximum charge rate of the individual cells, which given they are are all basically the same, it's the same. ( 1c ) The only difference being that with larger batteries ( more cells ) the balance part of the charge cycle can be longer as there are more cells to charge. Typically this will be the last 20% of the charge cycle. Lithium stuff is pretty clever, the battery and the charger "talk" to each other and monitor charge rates, which is necessary because if cell voltage drops too low, or charge rates are too high, they overheat and go up in flames.( exploding samsung phone for example )

Where you experience different charge times ( longer for a larger battery ) it is because the charger hasn't the capacity to charge the larger battery at the full rate at which the all the cells combined can handle. So as long as the the larger battery is mated to a larger charger, the charge time is the same, because its limited only by the maximum charge rate of the individual cells, which are all the same.


Bla bla bla....

Get a makita or dewalt so can add other tools later like a whipper snipper or hedge trimmer or drill....
They use the standard 18v batteries but 2 so turns into 36v.... The higher the Ah the better. Longer run time.

Milwauke I am sure will bring out soon and give 5yr warranties on most there stuff.
Makita is giving 2 and dewalt 3 on mowers....Both have battery blowers etc so when add to kit dont need to buy charger or batteries.

Id stay away from those cheaper brands. Alll these reputable brands will be simmilar in power just like all there other tools. One guy will swear by their shit but its all good and simmilar. I like Milwaukke as have an extensive range and longest warranty.
 

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power = kw but they wont rate them in kw probabaly for the reasons that Bandy said, its not a marketing click word

Hindy was talking in aH (ampere hours) similar to kilowatts but disregarding the power factor which is not too relevant in DC motors and aH applies to the battery, not the motor. If you want power you need to look at the motor.

Simplistically multiply the amps by volts and what ever gives you the biggest number will have the most power (in KVAs) but what its in is not relevant.

Most battery tools power is measured in torque. Nm....
 

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Thanks. The more expensive options are brushless. What does that mean ?

The motor has no brushes. What prices are you loking at And brand?

No brushes to you means it be more effiecient so longer run time and generaly more powerfull as well. And theoretical last longer as brushes wont wear out as has none.
 

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There tools are rubbish. A lawn mower will cop more of a beating then a drill and if there drills dont hold up then I imagine there mowers will fall to peices.
 

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Anyhows looking at price you could buy a honda 4 stroke for that. Why are you so against it?
My honda i was given from dad is 31yrs old and still fires first pull. Just like its owner.
 

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The brushless ryobi is 600...1 x 36v battery and 5Ah....

The Makita is xtra $150 and gets its 36v from 2 x 6Ah batteries. So 12Ah.It will be superior in every way. Best part is the batteries can be used in other tools they sell.
The Ryobi 36v one wont be compatable with there 18v tools.
 
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There tools are rubbish. A lawn mower will cop more of a beating then a drill and if there drills dont hold up then I imagine there mowers will fall to peices.
I have their drills and they're good. I believe they also have a good reputation for what they are. They aren't supposed to be trade quality.
 

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