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Hey, you found that reference in AR5 stating no "link between extreme weather and climate change" yet mate?

If I was a little cynical, I might think you were avoiding backing up your claims.

I already provided the relevant quote - "low confidence in the sign of drought trends since 1950 at global scale".

You have to actually go and download the report, Bandy. I don't know anywhere it is laid out as a webpage - it's pdfs, as far as I know.

It's not that hard, mate.

I'll just say that I'm not surprised that you actually don't already have a copy of the report. I'm not surprised, at all.
 
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And despite that being 20 year old data, it backs up exactly what I said. Please explain how that graph shows anything other than "the effects of greater precipitation aren't uniformly felt across the world"?

Cheers.

The statement is true but my point is - so what?

The Universe didn't give everyone exactly the same amount of additional rain so...anthropogenic global warming?

There's a whole bunch of things that aren't distributed evenly around the world. You know, like...everything. So what?
 

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I already provided the relevant quote - "low confidence in the sign of drought trends since 1950 at global scale".

Are you really telling me this is the IPCC saying " no link between extreme weather and climate change" ?

Because that was the claim I asked you to reference, and low confidence in a single trend, which if we're gonna be completely honest, I believe will be explained by a lack of data.

Anyways I digress. Mate if that's really your reference to support your claim, it's kind of weak don't you think? I mean weak to point of not even f**king close.

You have to actually go and download the report, Bandy. I don't know anywhere it is laid out as a webpage - it's pdfs, as far as I know.

It's not that hard, mate.

I'll just say that I'm not surprised that you actually don't already have a copy of the report. I'm not surprised, at all.

Hence I suggested you quote the text that backs your claim, and reference the page number. Hey if it actually exists, it's not that hard mate.

I'm pretty certain though we both know it doesn't exist.
 

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The statement is true but my point is - so what?

The Universe didn't give everyone exactly the same amount of additional rain so...anthropogenic global warming?

There's a whole bunch of things that aren't distributed evenly around the world. You know, like...everything. So what?

The "so what" is that you are attempting an argument along the lines of "There are more dogs in the world, so therefore there are less cats" This is a logical fallacy.

The fact that there is more rain, does not mean there is less drought, this would be true if the distribution of the increase in precipitation was uniformly spread, but as we both know, and agree, this is not the case.

Now this does not mean there is more drought either ( you'll note I've not made such a claim ) The point is though, you can't logically make the argument that more global precipitation = less global drought, because whilst these are obviously related, they are not the same thing. In order to argue there is less drought, you would need to present data on drought.

These are simple arguments that do not require any real knowledge in the subject matter, because the reliance is upon straight forward logic. It's all very well to do your research and gain a greater understanding of the subject matter, that's an admirable trait. However no amount of knowledge is a substitute for logic in debate.
 

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The "so what" is that you are attempting an argument along the lines of "There are more dogs in the world, so therefore there are less cats" This is a logical fallacy.

The fact that there is more rain, does not mean there is less drought, this would be true if the distribution of the increase in precipitation was uniformly spread, but as we both know, and agree, this is not the case.

Now this does not mean there is more drought either ( you'll note I've not made such a claim ) The point is though, you can't logically make the argument that more global precipitation = less global drought, because whilst these are obviously related, they are not the same thing. In order to argue there is less drought, you would need to present data on drought.

These are simple arguments that do not require any real knowledge in the subject matter, because the reliance is upon straight forward logic. It's all very well to do your research and gain a greater understanding of the subject matter, that's an admirable trait. However no amount of knowledge is a substitute for logic in debate.
Who do I blame for the increased number of dogs?
Is it O’Neill?
 
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The fact that there is more rain, does not mean there is less drought, this would be true if the distribution of the increase in precipitation was uniformly spread, but as we both know, and agree, this is not the case.

The increase in precipitation has a greater spread than the decrease in precipitation. More of the world has more rain than less rain.

And to parody your self-righteousness - The fact that there is an uneven distribution of additional precipitation does not mean that there will be more drought.

Remember...this is all stemming from the erroneous claim that the current situation is Australia is due to climate change.

I haven't seen any proof of that, yet...

Are you really telling me this is the IPCC saying " no link between extreme weather and climate change" ?

Because that was the claim I asked you to reference, and low confidence in a single trend, which if we're gonna be completely honest, I believe will be explained by a lack of data.

Anyways I digress. Mate if that's really your reference to support your claim, it's kind of weak don't you think? I mean weak to point of not even f**king close.



Hence I suggested you quote the text that backs your claim, and reference the page number. Hey if it actually exists, it's not that hard mate.

I'm pretty certain though we both know it doesn't exist.

The claim that this all stemmed from is that the current drought, and subsequent bushfires, are attributable to climate change.

So, firstly, I don't have to prove anything - you do.

Where is the data for this claim?

Shouldn't you be providing me with a link?

What I have said is there is no such link. The IPCC isn't claiming this. Whether it's by your "lack of data" or not is irrelevant.

There is no link. The IPCC, as I have said, isn't trying to claim this. I have provided quotes from AR5 that can be searched if you have the document.

Ipso fatso, the claim that the current bushfires are "climate change" is absolute bullshit. Whether you look at drought, hurricanes, whatever - the IPCC is not trying to claim a link between the two.

Are you trying to claim otherwise? Because I have actually downloaded the entire AR5 report and gone over all of it. Unlike you, I have read it.

I've even provided quotes from that report for people to search for if they go and download it all.

HJ has been exposed like Portuguese chicken.

How?

Has any data been provided showing a link between carbon dioxide and droughts?

Has anyone actually looked at AR5 to see if I'm right or not?

Where's the data?

Oh, that's right...there is none.

I mean, there is...from the IPCC, NASA and the EPA...but we should ignore that in favour of dataless posts because it doesn't suit the narrative.

Which brings me back to my original post - the narrative that the current situation in Australia is due to carbon dioxide...which not even the IPCC is claiming...
 
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Here's another AR5 quote, peeps:

"Based on updated studies, AR4 conclusions regarding global increasing trends in drought since the 1970s were probably overstated"
 

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