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And one more...

"However, it is likely that the frequency and intensity of drought has increased in the Mediterranean and West Africa and decreased in central North America and north-west Australia since 1950."

Well...isn't that exactly what I wrote after posting the NASA data...?

Weird.
 
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You see...I have the data, Bandy :)

The IPCC, NASA, the EPA...

All you have is unsubstantiated claims that the current drought, and subsequent bushfires, is related to climate change..

Got a link for that, buddy?

Anyways...off for lunch.

As always, it's been fun. I only get to duck on and off here quickly but I do genuinely enjoy our little spats, and for the record there are no hard feelings (even when you are making unsubstantiated claims... :p ).

Peace out.
 

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FFS you can't post screenshots after lazy merkins have demanding links you bastard. If there's no link in 2019 there's no evidence. This is true even in courts of law and science labs ffs.
 

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John Wick 3 is the most pointless nothing movie in the history of pointless nothing movies.
 

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The increase in precipitation has a greater spread than the decrease in precipitation. More of the world has more rain than less rain.

And to parody your self-righteousness - The fact that there is an uneven distribution of additional precipitation does not mean that there will be more drought.

Oh dear, does this................

Now this does not mean there is more drought either ( you'll note I've not made such a claim )

.............................not specifically state that I make no claim in that regard? Geez mate, that's not real complicated language. You see when I don't make a claim, there's really no need to support the claim I haven't made.

The claim that this all stemmed from is that the current drought, and subsequent bushfires, are attributable to climate change.

So, firstly, I don't have to prove anything - you do.

Where is the data for this claim?

Shouldn't you be providing me with a link?

What specific claim of mine are you referring to mate, I mean I don't know what you think I've claimed that requires a link, but I do know you made a very specific claim of the IPCC saying " no link between extreme weather and climate change" and specifically claimed that is from AR5, which to date you have not supported with so much as a quote, let alone a reference.

The only claim I've made is that no such statement has been made to that effect by the IPCC. Do you think I should provide a link to the sections of the report that don't make this statement?

What I have said is there is no such link. The IPCC isn't claiming this. Whether it's by your "lack of data" or not is irrelevant.

What do you think the term "low confidence" means in this context? Because it sure as hell doesn't mean definitively not, which appears to be the meaning you are ascribing to it. And the lack of data is very relevant, as we'll see, here's your supposed quote from AR5..

I already provided the relevant quote - "low confidence in the sign of drought trends since 1950 at global scale".

So still, here we are, some pages later and no verifiable quotation in support of your previous statement whatsoever,

Below are all from AR5 synthesis report.

Increases in the frequency or intensity of ecosystem disturbances such as droughts, windstorms, fires and pest outbreaks have been detected in many parts of the world and in some cases are attributed to climate change (medium confidence)
Page 51 Middle of second paragraph.

...............Gee, that seems to run contrary to your narrative, strange huh?

There is low confidence in observed global-scale trends in droughts, due to lack of direct observations, dependencies of inferred trends on the choice of the definition for drought, and due to geographical inconsistencies in drought trends. There is also low confidence in the attribution of changes in drought over global land areas since the mid-20th century, due to the same observational uncertainties and difficulties in distinguishing decadal scale variability in drought from long-term trends.

Page 53 top of RH column.

..............This is where they specifically state "low confidence" is down to a lack of data

Climate change over the 21st century is projected to reduce renewable surface water and groundwater resources in most dry subtropical regions (robust evidence, high agreement), intensifying competition for water among sectors (limited evidence, medium agreement). In presently dry regions, the frequency of droughts will likely increase by the end of the 21st century under RCP8.5 (medium confidence). In contrast, water resources are projected to increase at high latitudes (robust evidence, high agreement).
Page 69 first paragraph....

.............That bit in bold seems to agree exactly with some one who aint you buddy. !!!!

https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/05/SYR_AR5_FINAL_full_wcover.pdf

Enjoy your lunch!
 
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So, because I'm the only one to post any data or reference any quotes from sources, it looks like others (read: bandy) are just trying to mince words to avoid admitting they are wrong.

So, firstly Bandy is now trying to say that he isn't linking the bushfires to climate change...

What specific claim of mine are you referring to mate, I mean I don't know what you think I've claimed that requires a link

Cool. If that is the case, then I give my honest and sincere apologies for misjudging your position. And I say that without any facetiousness, Bandy - my honest and sincere apologies.

However, to be straight, I don't think that is your position.

I also don't think you are honest to outrightly stake a position. Now that you've seen the data your position will be to avoid a position - it means you don't have to give up the bushfires=climate change stance by denying it.

Bandy's convenient position is now to say he isn't taking either side, and to try and simply mince words with me to avoid accepting the data.

Cool - anyone who is being honest with themselves can see straight through that PouPou-esque stance.

And a good example of how Bandy is being facetious on this (all of a sudden trying to deny that he is linking bushfires to climate change) is the reference to regional affects:

Increases in the frequency or intensity of ecosystem disturbances such as droughts, windstorms, fires and pest outbreaks have been detected in many parts of the world and in some cases are attributed to climate change (medium confidence)


Now, the implication here is that this is in reference to Australia - so I'm wrong!!! Because the IPCC doesn't say that this doesn't refer specifically to Australia!!! So, I'm wrong!!!

...despite the fact that I have already covered this - in regards to drought, the IPCC is specifically referring to West Africa and the Mediterranean. How do I know this? Because they specifically say so.

NASA data also backs this up by showing precipitation has increased across Australia over the last century.

This is getting repetitive, and I've already won the argument by using actual data and referring to the IPCC itself, so I'll just sum up my victory and leave the word mincing to the self-righteous leftoids like Bandy...

* The IPCC has backtracked on its earlier link between droughts and climate change, now calling those earlier claims "overstated" and revising their position to "low confidence";
* The EPA backs this up by showing global precipitation trends over the last century+ highlight increased precipitation;
* NASA backs this up by showing that significantly more areas of the world are experiencing increased precipitation and, thus, more of the world is now less subject to drought;
* The IPCC backs this up by stating that only West Africa and the Mediterranean have increased drought risk over the last century and (once again) that the link between this and "climate change" is low confidence.

Now, Bandy, try and mince words all you want.

The data is in. It sits with me.

I'm right.

You may not have the balls to put your beliefs down on this page (that bushfires=climate change) because you've already been proven wrong but it doesn't matter - everyone knows where you stand and everyone knows you are wrong.

And blah blah links blah blah - you know where to find the data.

You just haven't read it.

Ever.

I have - every word of it.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the conclusion of my posts on this matter.

Call me whatever names you want. Say I ran away. Blah blah blah.

If you're being honest with yourself and not playing political pointscoring internet games then you know any such claim is a lie.

But live it if you want. I don't care. Both of us know that I'm right, even if you don't have the courage to admit it.

Ladies and gentlemen, I bid you all a good afternoon.
 

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So, because I'm the only one to post any data or reference any quotes from sources, it looks like others (read: bandy) are just trying to mince words to avoid admitting they are wrong.

So, firstly Bandy is now trying to say that he isn't linking the bushfires to climate change...



Cool. If that is the case, then I give my honest and sincere apologies for misjudging your position. And I say that without any facetiousness, Bandy - my honest and sincere apologies.

However, to be straight, I don't think that is your position.

I also don't think you are honest to outrightly stake a position. Now that you've seen the data your position will be to avoid a position - it means you don't have to give up the bushfires=climate change stance by denying it.

Bandy's convenient position is now to say he isn't taking either side, and to try and simply mince words with me to avoid accepting the data.

Cool - anyone who is being honest with themselves can see straight through that PouPou-esque stance.

And a good example of how Bandy is being facetious on this (all of a sudden trying to deny that he is linking bushfires to climate change) is the reference to regional affects:



Now, the implication here is that this is in reference to Australia - so I'm wrong!!! Because the IPCC doesn't say that this doesn't refer specifically to Australia!!! So, I'm wrong!!!

...despite the fact that I have already covered this - in regards to drought, the IPCC is specifically referring to West Africa and the Mediterranean. How do I know this? Because they specifically say so.

NASA data also backs this up by showing precipitation has increased across Australia over the last century.

This is getting repetitive, and I've already won the argument by using actual data and referring to the IPCC itself, so I'll just sum up my victory and leave the word mincing to the self-righteous leftoids like Bandy...

* The IPCC has backtracked on its earlier link between droughts and climate change, now calling those earlier claims "overstated" and revising their position to "low confidence";
* The EPA backs this up by showing global precipitation trends over the last century+ highlight increased precipitation;
* NASA backs this up by showing that significantly more areas of the world are experiencing increased precipitation and, thus, more of the world is now less subject to drought;
* The IPCC backs this up by stating that only West Africa and the Mediterranean have increased drought risk over the last century and (once again) that the link between this and "climate change" is low confidence.

Now, Bandy, try and mince words all you want.

The data is in. It sits with me.

I'm right.

You may not have the balls to put your beliefs down on this page (that bushfires=climate change) because you've already been proven wrong but it doesn't matter - everyone knows where you stand and everyone knows you are wrong.

And blah blah links blah blah - you know where to find the data.

You just haven't read it.

Ever.

I have - every word of it.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the conclusion of my posts on this matter.

Call me whatever names you want. Say I ran away. Blah blah blah.

If you're being honest with yourself and not playing political pointscoring internet games then you know any such claim is a lie.

But live it if you want. I don't care. Both of us know that I'm right, even if you don't have the courage to admit it.

Ladies and gentlemen, I bid you all a good afternoon.
The PouPouesque stance is always the smart one. Why pick a side when you don't have to?
 

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