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So, we were talking about various outer suburbs of Adelaide the other day......

Fan denies 'ape' comment about Adelaide Crows player Eddie Betts is racist

Bhakthi Puvanenthiran
Published: April 11, 2017 - 8:58PM

A woman who described Adelaide Crows player Eddie Betts as an "ape" on Facebook has denied that the comment was racist.

Port Adelaide fan Maxine Spratt is facing police charges after a Facebook rant suggesting Betts and his family "go back to the the zoo where they belong".

However, Ms Spratt said her comments could not be considered racist.

"I just don't like the players, never have liked them, never will like them," she told Channel Seven news.

"I've got part-Aboriginal in me so, I don't find that racist."

Ms Spratt will be summonsed to appear at the Adelaide Magistrates Court at a later date for using a carriage service to menace, harass or cause offence

Port Adelaide have also suspended the membership of another one of their fans who was evicted from Adelaide Oval on Saturday night for racially abusing Betts during the game between the South Australian clubs.

The taunts come eight months after another Port Adelaide fan threw a banana at Betts during a game.

In 2013, then Sydney Swans star Adam Goodes pointed out a Collingwood fan, a 13-year-old girl, who called him an ape during a match between the clubs.

AFL chief Gillon McLachlan admits the code needs to do more to prevent racism.

"It hurts the individuals, it hurts their families, it hurts their communities and it hurts our game and we need to stop this," he said.

Port Adelaide's chief executive Keith Thomas said: "As a club, we are sickened by these reports."

Indigenous player Shaun Burgoyne, a four-time premiership player who chairs the AFL Players' Indigenous Advisory Board, said Indigenous players were saddened by ongoing racial vilification.

"This has been happening for far too long and we, as Indigenous footballers, have had enough," Burgoyne said.

"We deserve more respect than we are being shown.

"While it's heartening that these incidents are being called out, there's a lot of work to do before we can claim to be a truly inclusive game."

Betts declined to comment on Tuesday as his teammates rallied around him.

"You just don't understand why this happens, especially to a bloke who is one of the nicest guys you will meet," Betts' teammate Luke Brown said..

"It's for him to deal with and if he feels like talking to the boys, we're here for him.

"We're here to support him throughout the whole thing and the club is doing the same thing... we'll back him 100 per cent."

With AAP

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/afl...er-eddie-betts-is-racist-20170411-gvj0di.html
 

Twizzle

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So, we were talking about various outer suburbs of Adelaide the other day......

Fan denies 'ape' comment about Adelaide Crows player Eddie Betts is racist

Bhakthi Puvanenthiran
Published: April 11, 2017 - 8:58PM

A woman who described Adelaide Crows player Eddie Betts as an "ape" on Facebook has denied that the comment was racist.

Port Adelaide fan Maxine Spratt is facing police charges after a Facebook rant suggesting Betts and his family "go back to the the zoo where they belong".

However, Ms Spratt said her comments could not be considered racist.

"I just don't like the players, never have liked them, never will like them," she told Channel Seven news.

"I've got part-Aboriginal in me so, I don't find that racist."

Ms Spratt will be summonsed to appear at the Adelaide Magistrates Court at a later date for using a carriage service to menace, harass or cause offence

Port Adelaide have also suspended the membership of another one of their fans who was evicted from Adelaide Oval on Saturday night for racially abusing Betts during the game between the South Australian clubs.

The taunts come eight months after another Port Adelaide fan threw a banana at Betts during a game.

In 2013, then Sydney Swans star Adam Goodes pointed out a Collingwood fan, a 13-year-old girl, who called him an ape during a match between the clubs.

AFL chief Gillon McLachlan admits the code needs to do more to prevent racism.

"It hurts the individuals, it hurts their families, it hurts their communities and it hurts our game and we need to stop this," he said.

Port Adelaide's chief executive Keith Thomas said: "As a club, we are sickened by these reports."

Indigenous player Shaun Burgoyne, a four-time premiership player who chairs the AFL Players' Indigenous Advisory Board, said Indigenous players were saddened by ongoing racial vilification.

"This has been happening for far too long and we, as Indigenous footballers, have had enough," Burgoyne said.

"We deserve more respect than we are being shown.

"While it's heartening that these incidents are being called out, there's a lot of work to do before we can claim to be a truly inclusive game."

Betts declined to comment on Tuesday as his teammates rallied around him.

"You just don't understand why this happens, especially to a bloke who is one of the nicest guys you will meet," Betts' teammate Luke Brown said..

"It's for him to deal with and if he feels like talking to the boys, we're here for him.

"We're here to support him throughout the whole thing and the club is doing the same thing... we'll back him 100 per cent."

With AAP

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/afl...er-eddie-betts-is-racist-20170411-gvj0di.html

saw her interview on Fox, lovely lady
 

Gronk

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saw her interview on Fox, lovely lady

1. Is it racist to call an aboriginal a <insert slurr> when you are part aboriginal yourself ?
2. I wonder if if that fan would have a melt down if I yelled <insert slurr> at her in the street ?
 

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1. Is it racist to call an aboriginal a <insert slurr> when you are part aboriginal yourself ?
2. I wonder if if that fan would have a melt down if I yelled <insert slurr> at her in the street ?

She thinks she has the right because she claims to be part indigenous herself but she also admitted to hating all the Crows players.

I wonder if she would say the same about Port's indigenous players.
 

hybrideel

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Not sticking up for this woman because I know nothing of the story and don't know if it applies in this case or not but it seems a lot of times people try to find racism in generic insults just so they can get outraged. I suppose a certain amount of the reason is that some things we used to say as kids probably actually was/is racist but wasn't identified as such until recently but not all of it.
 

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And to be honest, I don't really get the comparison......

same, they actually have pink skin under the black hair

bottom line is they get offended, end of story

this lady didn't racially vilify him because he is part indigenous, she did it because he played for the Crows, she hates all the Crows players, she admitted to that
 

hybrideel

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Personally I don't understand how that is considered racially vilifying if the abuse was due to the team he played for rather than his ancestry. If I have 2 mates, 1 White and 1 black and call them both monkeys for doing something stupid, am I being racist to one? Can't an insult sometimes just be an insult
 

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you're talking common sense which is not necessarily PC

the AFL has got on their high horse about this saying more community education and consultation is needed and she needs to attend courses but truth be told she is just a bogan tribal footy fan and I know I shouldn't generalise like that but I cant see any other way to describe her
 

Gronk

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Personally I don't understand how that is considered racially vilifying if the abuse was due to the team he played for rather than his ancestry. If I have 2 mates, 1 White and 1 black and call them both monkeys for doing something stupid, am I being racist to one? Can't an insult sometimes just be an insult

Why not re-read your post but remove "2 mates" and insert "2 people on the bus".
 
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Personally I don't understand how that is considered racially vilifying if the abuse was due to the team he played for rather than his ancestry. If I have 2 mates, 1 White and 1 black and call them both monkeys for doing something stupid, am I being racist to one? Can't an insult sometimes just be an insult

It is not a secret that many black people find the term offensive. It's probably not a secret that one of your friends is black. But obviously, if you are talking about 2 people you know well, you probably have a pretty good idea of what each of them find offensive, and if both are cool with the term....no problem. That's quite different to shouting out 'ape' or 'monkey' in a public venue when the target is a black person.
 

strider

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Personally I don't understand how that is considered racially vilifying if the abuse was due to the team he played for rather than his ancestry. If I have 2 mates, 1 White and 1 black and call them both monkeys for doing something stupid, am I being racist to one? Can't an insult sometimes just be an insult
Did she call ALL the crows players monkeys? .... if she only called one/some then why?

PS: I honestly dont know what she said, havent read all the details
 

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