Non Footy Chat Thread II

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

I get the political sensitivity issues. I guess I was more asking how much more evil shit are we prepared to take from IS before we stop worrying about the sensitivity of it all. Are they worried about votes, public backlash? Which nations would be opposed to a full on strike on the area?

Russia for one.

The problem is that the 'area' isn't just inhabited by IS. There are other f**kers (those fighting for the Assad regime), and other people just fighting for their lives and homes. And if you blow the f**k out of innocent people, you breed another generation of terrorists.

 

[Noise]

Syria are opposed to the attack but also want IS out of their country (is that correct?)

Iran will never agree with what the US do so that is no surprise.

I wonder what Bolivia and Russia think the answer is?

 

[Happy MEel]

Syria are opposed to the attack but also want IS out of their country (is that correct?)

Iran will never agree with what the US do so that is no surprise.

I wonder what Bolivia and Russia think the answer is?

No idea how credible it is but according to this website...blow the pricks up.

http://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/syria/1.792884?v=89699CE0CD21AD5DD752FFA14ECE511F

 

[Bazal]

I get the political sensitivity issues. I guess I was more asking how much more evil shit are we prepared to take from IS before we stop worrying about the sensitivity of it all. Are they worried about votes, public backlash? Which nations would be opposed to a full on strike on the area? Surely neighboring nations / towns want IS gone too as they have taken their land

Well the problem as bart said is that IS are not a sovereign nation.

If North Korea launches a missile at the US, the response is not complicated. That's an act of war. But IS hide within other sovereign nations.

You couldn't attack North Korea because China bombed you. You can't bomb Syrian soil because IS attacks you.

Plus, and this is now just me talking hypothetically, it seems to me that the US especially would rather find out where the heirarchy is holed up and waste them with a special forces operation a la bin Laden. It's cleaner and more efficient.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

Are you f**king serious? That was the last episode of Grantchester? What, ever?

 

[phantom eel]

Syria are opposed to the attack but also want IS out of their country (is that correct?)

My reading is that yes, Syria (backed by Russia) is trying to rid itself of ISIS, but the US has also been backing/bankrolling an alternate Syrian faction/future government, hence Syria not wanting the US and its cronies doing the attacking.

It's all very dirty politics over there.

Here's an interesting article by John Pilger more in response to the Manchester incident, that implies the UK had backed/bankrolled the mob who got rid of Ghaddafi in Libya - one that the Manchester bomber belonged to. And that "liberating" Libya to stop Ghaddafi's plans of reducing western influence/profits in Africa essentially opened up Northern Africa to IS - another reason the west might be treading carefully about doing the same in Syria?

https://newmatilda.com/2017/06/04/terror-in-britain-what-did-the-prime-minister-know/

 

[The EELiminator]

they are also trying to drive a wedge between moderate muslims and other religions trying to win them over
the ironic thing is every attack brings out racist rednecks calling every muslim a terrorist and doing their work for them

 

[Gronk]

Julie Bishop was on the box today saying that she fully expects <insert name> in southern Phillipines to be declared an ISIS caliphate this week.

I should have gone to Cebu when I had the chance.

 

[Bazal]

Are you f**king serious? That was the last episode of Grantchester? What, ever?

Is that a show about the trials and tribulations of running a national sporting competition...?

 

[Gronk]

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

Is that a show about the trials and tribulations of running a national sporting competition...?

I wasn't really paying attention. Although I'd probably remember if that smug merkin was in it.

 

[Bazal]

I wasn't really paying attention. Although I'd probably remember if that smug merkin was in it.

Well obviously he wasn't in it, some actor played him.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

Well obviously he wasn't in it, some actor played him.

So it was about the NRL? I just liked that it featured a lot of drinking.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

Are you f**king serious? This is the last Bourne movie? What, ever?

Seriously though, it doesn't seem up to the standard of the others.

 

[Gronk]

Is he really that thick ?

 

[Happy MEel]

Is he really that thick ?

Surely this is a case for gun control. In the 8 minutes of terror there was only a limited number of casualties. Think of the carnage had they used semi automatic weapons.

 

[Twizzle]

Thinking is not one of Trump's strengths

 

[Gronk]

Surely this is a case for gun control. In the 8 minutes of terror there was only a limited number of casualties. Think of the carnage had they used semi automatic weapons.

Exactly merkins got ak47s in Paris and killed 50.

He is trying to say that if everyone in the pubs all went to dinner with guns, then the problem would have been resolved quickly. A society like that surely is only a short step away from anarchy.

 

[Gronk]

I'd give Putin a leadership role to solve this crisis.

Really ? In his country he still uses the underhanded tactics of the KGB. Do you really want our police to act in such a free-for-all corrupt manner ? A massive can of worms there. Be careful what you wish for.

PUTIN’S SAVAGE WAR AGAINST RUSSIA’S ‘NEW MUSLIMS’
Often, if a known Islamic activist is out of the country, law enforcement will orchestrate a surprise search at this person’s home where a hand grenade or ammunition is planted. The message is simple: “Do not come back or we will put you behind bars.”
http://www.newsweek.com/putin-savage-war-against-russia-new-muslims-490783

Meanwhile our hero Putin is bombing Assad opponents rather than ISIS.

U.S. finds Russia focusing fight on Syrian rebels, not Islamic State
Russian forces are not attacking the Islamic State in Syria unless its terrorist army is battling troops of President Bashar Assad, the U.S. military said Wednesday.

The assessment from Operation Inherent Resolve directly contradicts claims by the government of Russian President Vladimir Putin, which has repeatedly claimed its warplanes are unleashing strikes on the Islamic State, including its headquarters in Raqqa in central Syria, along with strikes on anti-Assad rebel groups backed by the West.

Army Col. Seven Warren, the top U.S. military spokesman in Baghdad, said 90 percent of Russian airstrikes are directed at rebel groups opposed to Mr. Assad, a longtime Russian ally. The Assad regime has been charged with indiscriminately killing civilians with chemical weapons and, more recently, with unguided “barrel bombs.”

Col. Warren said the few strikes against the Islamic State, also known as ISIL and ISIS, occur when Russia needs to protect Mr. Assad.

Under criticism for its selective targeting practices, the Russians a month ago released a video of what it said was an airstrike on an Islamic State oil truck. But Col. Warren said there have been few if any such sorties since then.

“Ten percent, I think at the most, would be against ISIL targets,” he said.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/feb/3/putins-forces-refuse-attack-islamic-state-syria/

Why ? Because ..

For the last four decades, Syria has also played host to Russia's only naval base in the Middle East at the port of Tartus on the Mediterranean Sea. Although the base is small and limited in its operations, it represents the last remnants of Russian influence in the Middle East.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/syrian-...bashar-alassad-explained-20150928-gjwuyp.html

 

[84 Baby]

Exactly merkins got ak47s in Paris and killed 50.

He is trying to say that if everyone in the pubs all went to dinner with guns, then the problem would have been resolved quickly. A society like that surely is only a short step away from anarchy.

If you say you wouldn't want to live in Westworld then you are a liar