Non Footy Chat Thread II

[Kornstar]

Mad merkin runs over a bunch in NYC this morning, kills 8. FBI are saying deliberate terrorism. I'm guessing he must of been brown not white.

Anyways, guess who is heading to NYC in 6 weeks ? Doh !

I’ll be there in 7 weeks.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I agree, it is blatant xenophobia. America, especially white America, is infested with it.

Xenophobia is a natural feature of social groups. Phobias certainly aren't something to criticise people about. Walk a mile in someone's shoes before you pretend you can understand their worldview.

History shows strangers are at least as dangerous as guns.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

In 0.5 seconds google finds.

6 Aug 2017

The explosion at around 5am local time (09:00 GMT) at the Dar Al Farooq Islamic Center in Bloomington, Minnesota, caused damage but did not cause any casualties.

Worshippers had been preparing for the dawn prayer when the attack happened.

There were between 15 and 20 people inside the building at the time, according to Star Tribune, a local newspaper.

14 Aug 2016

Following the shooting of a New York City mosque leader and an associate, people are offering to accompany Muslims to and from the mosque so they can pray in safety.

Imam Maulama Akonjee, 55, and his associate Thara Uddin, 64, were fatally shot in the back of the head as they left Al-Furqan Jame Masjid in Queens on Saturday.

No different from sectarian violence in any Muslim majority country.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

So there hasn't been a white terrorist since McVeigh? What makes you say that?

Because they would've been caught and prosecuted. You don't really think white collar professionals conspire to protect white terrorists do you?

 

[Bazal]

Because they would've been caught and prosecuted. You don't really think white collar professionals conspire to protect white terrorists do you?

No, I think that America is a country with a totally ingrained racist bent. Even more than Australia. I think a huge number of white Americans have an ingrained fear or hatred of brown people and that one of the ways it manifests is in the way a white terrorist is labelled as opposed to an Islamic one. The press do it because it plays off an existing undercurrent and sells more news. Republicans adore it because it plays straight into their own narratives

No one knows what the motive for the Vegas shootings was, so whether or not it was a terrorist act under the strictest definition is debatable. But there have been many acts of violence by white Americans in recent years that are quite simply terrorism. Yet they aren't labelled as such. Literally the exact same thing happened in Charlottesville, in fact that was more obviously a terrorist act by the strict definition of the term, but it was a white driver so he wasn't called a terrorist.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

So how many brown Mexicans are labeled terrorists?

 

[Suitman]

So how many brown Mexicans are labeled terrorists?

Oh Pou.
Seriously buddy, stop just arguing for arguing's sake.

 

[Bazal]

So how many brown Mexicans are labeled terrorists?

Lol. Classic Pou

I said that Americans have an ingrained fear or hatred of brown people. I then said that the difference between white and ISLAMIC terrorists was marked. Mexicans are the victims of other racial persecutions....like a nation electing a president who wants to build a f**king wall to stop them entering the country.

Stick to the discussion at hand, don't just argue because it gives you a semi.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Oh Pou.
Seriously buddy, stop just arguing for arguing's sake.

That's right Suity, the answer is zero. That's because Mexicans haven't earnt a reputation as terrorists by crashing planes into a crowded city. It'll be a long time before most Americans forget that little incident. The fact that the psychological effect was in vast disproportion to the number of people killed shows you why that's terrorism and some asshole shooting people in Vegas isn't.

 

[Gronk]

Phobias certainly aren't something to criticise people about. Walk a mile in someone's shoes before you pretend you can understand their worldview.

I know right ?

What is it with balloon phobias. That's just weird.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Lol. Classic Pou

I said that Americans have an ingrained fear or hatred of brown people.

That's a stupid generalisation. Like when any idiot ventures into identity politics.

I then said that the difference between white and ISLAMIC terrorists was marked.

I'd say the difference is form. How many white terrorists attack people specifically because they're American?

Mexicans are the victims of other racial persecutions....like a nation electing a president who wants to build a f**king wall to stop them entering the country.

I'm sure they're still allowed to enter legally.

Stick to the discussion at hand, don't just argue because it gives you a semi.

If you don't like being shown how dumb your arguments are, make better arguments.

 

[Bazal]

That's a stupid generalisation. Like when any idiot ventures into identity politics.

I'd say the difference is form. How many white terrorists attack people specifically because they're American?

I'm sure they're still allowed to enter legally.

If you don't like being shown how dumb your arguments are, make better arguments.

Haha. And yet your counterpoints are nothing more than "your arguments are dumb" or silly what-aboutisms. "What about Mexicans, they're brown too!"

Here. Try this.

The definition of terrorism is "the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims". Please explain how a man running down protesters who are protesting the allegedly white supremacist rally he is attending in Charlottesville doesn't fit this definition. THAT would be a counter-argument.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Haha. And yet your counterpoints are nothing more than "your arguments are dumb" or silly what-aboutisms. "What about Mexicans, they're brown too!"

And yet the racist Americans aren't rushing to label Mexicans as terrorists. What's the difference between Islamic violence and Mexican violence, if you claim the label of 'terrorism' is all about race?

I dare say that if violence by Mexicans inside America becomes linked to secession or autonomy of a Mexican-majority region, then Americans will (rightly) be quick to call it terrorism.

Until then the merkins will continue to call a spade a spade.

Here. Try this.

The definition of terrorism is "the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims". Please explain how a man running down protesters who are protesting the allegedly white supremacist rally he is attending in Charlottesville doesn't fit this definition. THAT would be a counter-argument.

If every act of violence that occurred at a political rally was terrorism then I'd agree. I suppose it's getting into a grey area there. Does the fact somebody died make it terrorism? I don't think so. It's no more terrorism than when Muslim protesters assaulted journalists and passers by in Sydney a few years ago.

If people rock up intending to be peaceful, but their lizard brains become overwhelmed in the moment and they resort to violence then it's not terrorism IMO. Even if someone died.

 

[Bazal]

And yet the racist Americans aren't rushing to label Mexicans as terrorists. What's the difference between Islamic violence and Mexican violence, if you claim the label of 'terrorism' is all about race?

I dare say that if violence by Mexicans inside America becomes linked to secession or autonomy of a Mexican-majority region, then Americans will (rightly) be quick to call it terrorism.

Until then the merkins will continue to call a spade a spade.

What is your obsession with continually bringing up irrelevant points?

When was the last event that could even be remotely called a terrorist act that was committed by a Mexican on American soil? Mexicans have nothing to do with the discrepancy between acts of terrorism and the way they are described in the American media and by American politicians depending on whether the perpetrator was white or Islamic. Mexicans feel the effects of US xenophobia in a different way. Mentioning them is pure distraction and obfuscation at a Bartman level.

If every act of violence that occurred at a political rally was terrorism then I'd agree. I suppose it's getting into a grey area there. Does the fact somebody died make it terrorism? I don't think so. It's no more terrorism than when Muslim protesters assaulted journalists and passers by in Sydney a few years ago.

If people rock up intending to be peaceful, but their lizard brains become overwhelmed in the moment and they resort to violence then it's not terrorism IMO. Even if someone died.

So how, based on the DEFINITION OF TERRORISM (the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims), does the event mentioned not fit? You've typed an awful lot of characters there without answering the question.

 

[Gronk]

If every act of violence that occurred at a political rally was terrorism then I'd agree. I suppose it's getting into a grey area there. Does the fact somebody died make it terrorism? I don't think so. It's no more terrorism than when Muslim protesters assaulted journalists and passers by in Sydney a few years ago.

If people rock up intending to be peaceful, but their lizard brains become overwhelmed in the moment and they resort to violence then it's not terrorism IMO. Even if someone died.

Nice try counsel.

 

[ImTheMan]

Gronk is as boring as usual but f**k me, Bazal is a presumptious and cynical ideologue. You think you know what the majority of Americans think, what qualifies you to know this: marine biology? Dear friend, most people are not as you describe, only those with severe mental illness. Most rational people care not for skin colour, and it is divisive rhetoric that comes from identity politic lovers like you that causes people to become imaginarily isolated and extreme. It keeps everyone in their enclaves even more isolated from each other. You are in fact, the most racist kind of person,enflaming tensions where there are little and focusing on entire groups of people rather than the individual. Pou, don't bother. The world is rusted on to see things differently and you will never win over bigots. As for the mexican thing, the wall is for illegal immigrants not all mexicans. Mexicans are welcome like anyone else legally just like they are in Australia. It is not wrong to control who comes to our country. They said he could not do it but Abbott has made Australia safer for basement dwellers like Bazal and his family. People care about safety not the fantasies of your Clintonesque divide of identity politics. Most people have no problem with law abiding citizens of any kind and is why the suggetion of otherwise is not politically expedient anymore.

But please keep posting your daily dribbles from your favorite ABC presenter.

*Sips JD*
Cheers

 

[Poupou Escobar]

What is your obsession with continually bringing up irrelevant points?

When was the last event that could even be remotely called a terrorist act that was committed by a Mexican on American soil? Mexicans have nothing to do with the discrepancy between acts of terrorism and the way they are described in the American media and by American politicians depending on whether the perpetrator was white or Islamic. Mexicans feel the effects of US xenophobia in a different way. Mentioning them is pure distraction and obfuscation at a Bartman level.

Because they are also seen as outsiders, and like anyone else they are also responsible for acts of violent crime in America.

So how, based on the DEFINITION OF TERRORISM (the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims), does the event mentioned not fit? You've typed an awful lot of characters there without answering the question.

I did answer the question. If that's terrorism then so is any violence that occurs at these rallies. Including by Antifa or BLM.

Personally I think the violence needs to be pre-planned for it to qualify, rather than a heat of the moment incident.

Ultimately though, what does the label matter? If it's a grab for moral high ground in the immigration debate it's irrelevant whether whitey also commits terrorism. You can't close the borders against someone who's already inside.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

Gronk is as boring as usual but f**k me, Bazal is a presumptious and cynical ideologue. You think you know what the majority of Americans think, what qualifies you to know this: marine biology? Dear friend, most people are not as you describe, only those with severe mental illness. Most rational people care not for skin colour, and it is divisive rhetoric that comes from identity politic lovers like you that causes people to become imaginarily isolated and extreme. It keeps everyone in their enclaves even more isolated from each other. You are in fact, the most racist kind of person,enflaming tensions where there are little and focusing on entire groups of people rather than the individual. Pou, don't bother. The world is rusted on to see things differently and you will never win over bigots. As for the mexican thing, the wall is for illegal immigrants not all mexicans. Mexicans are welcome like anyone else legally just like they are in Australia. It is not wrong to control who comes to our country. They said he could not do it but Abbott has made Australia safer for basement dwellers like Bazal and his family. People care about safety not the fantasies of your Clintonesque divide of identity politics. Most people have no problem with law abiding citizens of any kind and is why the suggetion of otherwise is not politically expedient anymore.

But please keep posting your daily dribbles from your favorite ABC presenter.

*Sips whiskey*
Cheers

INZY!!!

 

[Bazal]

Because they are also seen as outsiders, and like anyone else they are also responsible for acts of violent crime in America.

And as I have already pointed out, they are persecuted in a different way based on years and years of entrenched xenophobia so the point is still irrelevant.

When was the last act of violence perpetrated by a Mexican that qualifies for this discussion?

I did answer the question. If that's terrorism then so is any violence that occurs at these rallies. Including by Antifa or BLM.

Personally I think the violence needs to be pre-planned for it to qualify, rather than a heat of the moment incident.

What you think doesn't matter. The definition of terrorism qualifies both acts as the same. Yet they are reported differently. That's the point, and the one you've deliberately ignored. Both are acts of terrorism. One is reported as such immediately, the other is played off.

Ultimately though, what does the label matter? If it's a grab for moral high ground in the immigration debate it's irrelevant whether whitey also commits terrorism. You can't close the borders against someone who's already inside.

Lol. It's nothing to do with moral high ground. The label matters because it's simply true. Call a spade a spade, in your own words. Plus it helps perpetuate the xenophobic attitudes that it comes from.

 

[Twizzle]

Xenophobia is a natural feature of social groups. Phobias certainly aren't something to criticise people about. Walk a mile in someone's shoes before you pretend you can understand their worldview.

History shows strangers are at least as dangerous as guns.

and yet then you say

That's a stupid generalisation.

ironic isn't it