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Beer update: batch one is going ok at four days in the bottle. Needs more carbonation and is very cloudy (it's Coopers) but tastes like beer. Batch two, Brew A, is four days old and looks f**ken awesome. Still bubbling away. It's nice to know that when I go to work the beer is home, making itself.
 

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What a surprise that the right faction of the LNP are planning to delay the SSM bill in parliament.

They must be feeling very salty with their own goal and now are proposing to push the tide back with a broom.
 

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What a surprise that the right faction of the LNP are planning to delay the SSM bill in parliament.

They must be feeling very salty with their own goal and now are proposing to push the tide back with a broom.
For some people I suspect it has nothing to do with SSM.

Clearly, they are feeling like a party with traditionally conservative values has lost it's way and are desperately trying to stop them moving further and further left.
 

Gary Gutful

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Not true. The LNP are (as John Howard described it and who echoed Menzies) a broad church and the conservatives have always been a faction of the coalition.
There is little doubt that those right wing people are feeling that way, Gronk.

That quote is great but it was likely something that Howard (and Menzies) often said to ensure that they kept all members of the party happy and didn't completely isolate any left leaning swing voters . Their actions as leaders would suggest that they didn't live and breath that ethos.

I suspect the same people lamenting the party's shift to the left are also wishing that:

  • The party had more fearless leaders of Howard's ilk.
  • The party's overall position on key issues was more closely aligned to what it was when Howard was in charge.
 

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There is little doubt that those right wing people are feeling that way, Gronk.

That quote is great but I suspect it was something that Howard (and Menzies) often said to ensure that they kept all members of the party happy and didn't completely isolate any left leaning swing voters . Their actions as leaders would suggest that they didn't live and breath that ethos.

I suspect the same people lamenting the parties shift to the left are also wishing that:

  • The party had more fearless leaders of Howard's ilk.
  • The party's overall position on key issues was more closely aligned to what it was when Howard was in charge.

I hear you and indeed recognise how hard it is to let go of the past for some. Time will heal and I am sure that the world will not cave in for them.

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Gary Gutful

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How to make a sensible point with Gronk.

1. Flag an important factor that's he hadn't considered.
2. Expect a bullshit response that is a distraction.
3. Try again but this time spell it out and limit his 'wriggle room'.
4. Have him reluctantly accept that you actually had a point the entire time but deliver it with a heavy dose of 'smug'.

Rinse and repeat...
 

Gronk

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How to make a sensible point with Gronk.

1. Flag an important factor that's he hadn't considered.
2. Expect a bullshit response that is a distraction.
3. Try again but this time spell it out and limit his 'wriggle room'.
4. Have him reluctantly accept that you actually had a point the entire time but deliver it with a heavy dose of 'smug'.

Rinse and repeat...

Yes but if am growing as a person under your mentorship, then it's a wonderful thing.
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Poupou Escobar

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There is little doubt that those right wing people are feeling that way, Gronk.

That quote is great but it was likely something that Howard (and Menzies) often said to ensure that they kept all members of the party happy and didn't completely isolate any left leaning swing voters . Their actions as leaders would suggest that they didn't live and breath that ethos.

I suspect the same people lamenting the party's shift to the left are also wishing that:

  • The party had more fearless leaders of Howard's ilk.
  • The party's overall position on key issues was more closely aligned to what it was when Howard was in charge.
If they want the party to lean further to the right they have to accept it will appeal to fewer voters and thus spend more time in opposition.
 

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