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Poupou Escobar

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It's easy to be rehabilitated when you're earning six figures. Money cures a lot of the stresses that make people 'be themselves'.
 

Haynzy

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I imagine he would have had to be fairly rehabilitated before he started earning the six figures.

For the record, I'm glad he is rehabilitated and seems to have put his past behind him and I don't think he should have been given the death sentence.
 

Incorrect

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Do we know they didn't?
Do we know that they even know who the ultimate ringleaders are?

Let's just find a few 'facts' from the newspapers and join the dots. Of course we'll come up with the correct assumption.


I don't buy the whole 'they knew the risks etc'. Young men think they are 10ft tall and bullet proof. They make dumb choices and yes, there should be consequences but this was not the right consequence.

This punishment is barbaric and the system over there is known to be corrupt.
Killing someone is never ok. In this situation it is state sanctioned murder.

Not all 'young men" think they are 10ft tall and bullet proof. Youthful bravado and a sense of invincibility should not be used as an excuse or explanation for their actions. From what I've read about Chan in recent times it was more likely arrogance than stupidity that saw him in the position he found himself 10 years ago. Unfortunately you can legislate for neither.

In any case, while the punishment may be barbaric and completely over the top, I'll say it again, that is the law of the land and the 2 ringleaders were more than aware of the consequences if they were caught. If this is the sort of stone-age way of life, law and order the Indonesians wish to pursue, then let them at it. Just stay the hell away from the joint. Or, if you can't help yourself and want to drug-up and just have to go there to bring some back, don't expect me to move heaven and earth and hold a vigil for you when you get caught. (BTW - the "you" in the sentence prior is not directed personalyy at Haynzy of course, just generally!)

Lastly, on the point of killing is never OK.... I don't subscribe to that entirely. If anyone has read the book 'Hell on the way to heaven' by Chrissie Foster, like me you probably would have no issue disposing of the lowlife perpertrators of the unspeakable acts who were protected for years by another corrupt and despicable organisation.
 

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There's a merkin facing the firing squad in China for trafficking as well.

http://www.9news.com.au/world/2015/...h-penalty-in-china-has-drug-case-fast-tracked

We'll see if the media and celebrities get behind him.

But wait, there's more. There are at least 10 others facing the same fate right now. Yet their details are not even known.

Maria Elvira Pinto Exposto, a 51-year-old grandmother, caught with 1.5 kg of the drug in Malaysia.
Fairfax understands that a 71-year-old grandmother is among the other 10 Australians facing execution.
The Department of Foreign Affairs declined to provide any details on the other cases but it is understood the bulk of them, if not all, involve drug trafficking in Asia.
http://www.smh.com.au/national/a-do...ace-death-penalty-abroad-20150131-132qym.html
 

Joshuatheeel

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The Asian countries with the death penalties are a joke, fair enough have the death penalty if you want. But gee when the drug growers and king drug lords are protected by the police , military and corrupted judicial system it seems like a bad joke that the lower level mules get the death penalty while the real bosses live in palaces without a concern in the world.
 

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The Abbott government faces questions over its decision to remove the principle of opposition to the death penalty from the high-level instructions that apply to the Australian federal police.
The justice minister, Michael Keenan, omitted the line when he updated the ministerial direction outlining the AFP’s strategic priorities in May 2014.
The previous version of the document approved by Labor’s Brendan O’Connor in 2010 said the AFP should “take account of the government’s longstanding opposition to the application of the death penalty, in performing its international liaison functions”.
http://www.theguardian.com/australi...osition-from-afps-priorities?CMP=share_btn_tw
 

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phantom eel

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There's a merkin facing the firing squad in China for trafficking as well.

http://www.9news.com.au/world/2015/...h-penalty-in-china-has-drug-case-fast-tracked

We'll see if the media and celebrities get behind him.

But wait, there's more. There are at least 10 others facing the same fate right now. Yet their details are not even known.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/a-do...ace-death-penalty-abroad-20150131-132qym.html
The Bali Two had cultivated extensive contacts within the Australia media, and were regularly in touch with journalists and others seeking support in recent years. Even Rothfield got into the act texting regularly with Chan, as detailed here: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...325728323?nk=b93ea08d81a3a1d12c22f78e61b22516

This all goes some way to explaining why these two guys had a media and celebrity campaign being run on their behalf, which resulted in supportive coverage and broad public awareness of their circumstances. Schapelle and Michelle Leslie had the same going in her favour, but Renae Lawrence didn't....

And the lack of cultivation of media contacts by these two other known Aussies - along with the nine unknowns - facing death sentences on foreign soil, also serves to explain why there has been hardly a peep among media/celebrities/hipsters/social media etc about mercy for their circumstances.

The media is still a merkin, and people are still sheep.
 

Gronk

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This is horrific ...

Brazilian executed in Indonesia 'unaware what was happening until end'

By Reuters

30 Apr 2015 - 12:02 PM UPDATED 45 MINS AGO

A Brazilian man executed in Indonesia for drug trafficking who was diagnosed with schizophrenia and bipolar disorder did not understand what was happening to him until his final moments, a priest assigned as his spiritual adviser told ABC radio on Thursday.
Rodrigo Muxfeldt Gularte was among eight people convicted of drug offences from several countries who were executed shortly after midnight on Wednesday morning.
Brazil had made repeated personal pleas for Indonesia to commute his sentence on humanitarian grounds, citing his mental illness.

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Brazilian drug smuggler Rodrigo Gularte escorted by Indonesian National Drug Bureau officers in 2004 (EPA/MAST IRHAM)

Father Charlie Burrows, a local priest who accompanied Gularte in his final hours, told ABC he thought he had prepared the Brazilian for the execution.
"I thought I'd got him ready, that he was going to be put in chains, because he didn't like being touched ... I said to him, well I'm 72, when you get up to heaven you'll know where I'm going to live, prepare a garden or something,"

Burrows said.'Oh father, am I being executed?'

Gularte was calm as he was handcuffed by warders but became agitated when he was handed over to police outside the jail who put leg chains on him, Burrows said.
"I thought he'd got the message he was to be executed but ... when the chains started to go on, he said to me, 'Oh father, am I being executed?'," Burrows said.
Burrows, who witnessed the execution of another Brazilian prisoner in January, said Gularte continued to hear voices in his final days telling him everything would be fine.
"He believes the voices more than he does anybody else," he said.
Gularte was caught entering Indonesia in 2004 with six kilograms of cocaine hidden in surf boards, and was sentenced to death in 2005.
The 42-year-old's family presented several doctors' reports to the Indonesian authorities attesting to his mental illness, and Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff had made personal pleas on his behalf. Rousseff recalled Brazil's ambassador to Jakarta after the first execution in January.
Burrows joined other spiritual advisers and family members in a tent near the field on the prison island of Nusakambangan where the executions took place. They heard the men singing before shots rang out simultaneously and were comforted that there were no subsequent single shots that would have indicated one of the prisoners needed to be shot in the head.
Burrows said all eight men refused blindfolds and were handcuffed at the front to allow them to shake hands with a large number of warders who had gathered outside.
"They might have seen the executioners in very dark colours; it was a very dark night," Burrows said. "They only had flashlights on the prisoners, and when we were going to meet them we were falling over stones because of the dark."
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/fragment...ndonesia-unaware-what-was-happening-until-end
 

Kornstar

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What a shit hole the country sounds like, as if you'd ever go there, let alone to smuggle drugs!
 
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There's a merkin facing the firing squad in China for trafficking as well.

http://www.9news.com.au/world/2015/...h-penalty-in-china-has-drug-case-fast-tracked

We'll see if the media and celebrities get behind him.

But wait, there's more. There are at least 10 others facing the same fate right now. Yet their details are not even known.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/a-do...ace-death-penalty-abroad-20150131-132qym.html

The Chinese are better at it than the Indonesians. They invoice the family of the executee for the cost of the bullets. Or so the story goes anyway.
 
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