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NRL Doping Scandal ...

gaterooze

Bench
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I don't agree that this, if true, is "not good" -- if there's a cheat in the game, I think it's great that he has been found out. And if they've had this big crackdown and investigation, and only *one* player is doing it, I think that's a fantastic result.
 

The Preacher

First Grade
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Apparently no test has taken place, and this is all based on information gained by ASADA and is for "human growth hormone" which is impossible to detect after 2 hours of being administered.
 

Alex28

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Isn't that why the report suggests that the testers have been turning up at players houses "before 6am"? To try to test while the playes urine is at it's most concentrated and more chance of having the drug still in it?
 

The Preacher

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Alex28 said:
Isn't that why the report suggests that the testers have been turning up at players houses "before 6am"? To try to test while the playes urine is at it's most concentrated and more chance of having the drug still in it?

So they were saying on BSB this morning. :oops:
 

Master Rooster

Juniors
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it sounds like a pretty heavy and detailed investigation, going by reports this morning

i think someone will go down for it. and if it happens it will be great because it means a drug cheat will be out of our game

i dont care WHO it is, because whoever it is (even if its the best roosters player), and they are found guilty, they need to be punished

*edit*
 

[furrycat]

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For god sakes don't be a Bulldog.

And for those who want to guess names, your posts will last 5 seconds and there are forum rules against it. So until it is official, keep your names to yourself.
 

innsaneink

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Sounds like the ASADA chairman is loving his moment in the spotlight.....

"It's as if we have kicked over a log in the forest and shined a very bright light on some of the darkest corners of Australian sport," Mr Ings said. "We are seeing a lot of creatures scurrying for the corners to avoid the light. It's our job to ask if the activity we see constitutes a doping offence."

...f*ckin drama queen.:roll:
 

HevyDevy

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Bazal said:
Therein lies a problem. Let's say this player is a halfback. Would his team be in the finals if not for his doping offence? Can a team be punished because of an individual crime? You would think that if this player has been crucial to his side being in the finals, then by extension that side does not deserve to be there. But on the other side of the coin, who's to say that another player or players wouldn't have stepped up without the accused being under the influence of performance enhancing drugs? And how can you punish the others who have worked to get there for the crimes of one idiot? This will be a very difficult case to handle....

I can't see a halfback benefiting the same way as players in a number of other positions.
 

tiburon

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Hopefully IF it is true we punish them and get them out of the game and don't act like a lot of other sports do with drug cheats.
 

Martli

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HevyDevy said:
I can't see a halfback benefiting the same way as players in a number of other positions.

Neither, halfbacks need good vision and I don't think that's the sort of thing a performance enhancer can give you.
 

Master Rooster

Juniors
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Martli said:
Neither, halfbacks need good vision and I don't think that's the sort of thing a performance enhancer can give you.
stronger kicking game?

more stamina?

run faster?

more strength to break tackles?

stronger arms to throw longer/harder passes?

much defense is aimed at them, so more strength to make tackles?


are you sure performance enhancers wouldnt assist halfbacks???
 

innsaneink

Referee
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Its idiotic singling out positions and determining which would 'benefit' more from PE drugs.....doesnt matter if its a halfback, backrower or benchy...cheating is cheating, same difference.
 

skeepe

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AN AUSTRALIAN Sports Anti-Doping Authority investigation into rugby league could deliver the code embarrassing information on the numbers of players using recreational and performance-enhancing substances.

Drug testers have been hitting a range of rugby league clubs in a targeted swoop both in and out of competition in the past month, and an announcement of a positive test is expected soon. Gauging by the early morning - pre-6am - arrivals at the homes of some players, it appears the ASADA testers may be looking for evidence of human growth hormones or erythropoietin (EPO) abuse.

A host of NRL clubs have reported a sudden spike in the arrival of testers in the past month, including Penrith, Cronulla, St George Illawarra, Wests Tigers, the Bulldogs and South Sydney.

The NRL tests for social drugs on competition days only on the grounds substances like cocaine are performance-enhancing stimulants.

Because cocaine and ecstasy leave the body quickly, usually within two days, a player tested following a Friday night match often has it out of his system by the time of his next ASADA-sanctioned competition test.

However, heavy users of social drugs, rare in Australian sport but common in the US, are exposed on match day because the substance is still in their system.

The NRL asks ASADA to conduct half-screen tests on non-match days but these are designed to essentially detect steroids. However, the drug of choice of young athletes determined to build up body mass in order to perform better on the field, or train harder, is human growth hormone. This substance is only detectable by a blood test within four hours of use.

An athlete who injects himself at midnight and then retires to bed would probably need to be woken by ASADA at 2am. In any case, most sports allow only urine tests, not blood sampling.

Human growth hormone, available in most anti-ageing clinics, is also within the budget range of even Premier League players, a month's course selling for $600.

EPO is more easily detected when the urine is at its most concentrated, which is first thing in the morning and before athletes have had a chance to drink lots of water. EPO is known as an endurance drug because it thickens the blood with more oxygen-carrying red blood cells, but even sprinters, including, reportedly, the former Olympic champion Marion Jones, have been caught using it.

The chairman and chief executive of ASADA, Richard Ings, admitted the widespread powers of ASADA meant the agency did not have to rely on drugs tests. "How else do you detect what is not detectable?" Ings asked of the 20-year battle between drugs cheaters and drugs catchers.

The agency has also been conducting an enquiry into weightlifting. It devoted significant resources to the inquiry and it is expected to make an announcement soon.

In the Penrith dressing-rooms following their surprise victory over Cronulla, a Panthers official remarked how the drugs testing had become "suddenly very pronounced".

"Just the last couple of weeks there has been a bit more activity," he said. "We have even had the testers lob very early in the morning, which has happened in the past, but it is happening again."

The testing blitz was also a topic of discussion in the dressing rooms at Jubilee Stadium after last Sunday's Dragons-Tigers clash, and the testers were also at Aussie Stadium for the Parramatta-Roosters match.

All clubs surveyed by the Herald yesterday agreed there had been an increase in the number of visits at training, with one reporting that the drugs testers had turned up to training three times within a week.

In an unusual move, the testers have been asking for certain players they want to test rather than randomly selecting players. One club also reported that they had been asking for six players at a time.

"They've certainly seem to have been around a fair bit over the past month," one chief executive told the Herald.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/league/t...1156012543029.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
 

Willow

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*Admin notice and fair warning*

The moderators have been forced to intervene in a few posts in this thread.

Please note that speculation on clubs or players' names will not be allowed.

We don't want to suspend anyone but some repeat offenders are sailing close to the wind.

By all means discuss and debate the issues of drugs in sport, but please keep it within the context of media reports.

Thank you.
 

hrundi99

First Grade
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There are cheats in every sport, and I don't think a positive test and ban should cast any black cloud over league in particular.

I'd rather that there were no drug cheats obviously, but outing and banning any that may exist is the next best thing.
 

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