NRL Expansion. Ideas and opinions.

[siv]

We are heading towards the Northern Roosters which includes Manly and the Central Coast

 

[jim_57]

The NRL could do worse than pick strategic locations without a team and put a large "bounty" on them for teams to relocate their entire operation or just a few games there. Put money on the table for 12/10/9/6/4/3 (decreasing depending on amount of games taken).

Central Coast, Perth, Adelaide, Wellington, Christchurch, Darwin, PNG, Sunshine Coastetc. Maybe even get ambitious and look to the Pacific & Asia.

Some of those area 3-6 games would be enough, 9/10/12 game options would obviously mean the club shifting operations to those cities. If a club takes a 3 game option the NRL still has the right to "take the area back" so to speak and put a new team in the city if/when they expand.

 

[flippikat]

We are heading towards the Northern Roosters which includes Manly and the Central Coast

Well, it solves a lot of problems. As I said in another thread here, they could even use the name "East Coast Roosters" if they wanted to revive the "Easts" nickname.. plus it adds a dimension to the ANZAC Day clash with the Dragons if the Roosters are a regional club stretching up the coast north of Sydney just how the Dragons area reaches southwards.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

North QLD
Brisbane Broncos
Redcliffe Dolphins (4 blockbusters at Suncorp, the rest at a 20k Dolphin Oval should see them ave 25k+)
Gold Coast Titans
Auckland Warriors
Wellington Orcas
Newcastle Knights
Sydney Roosters (11 Allianz, 1 CC)
Cronulla Sharks
St George Illawarra Dragons (6 Kogarah, 6 Woolongong)
Souths (new ANZ)
Dogs (new ANZ)
Parra (WSS)
Penrith Panthers
Canberra Raiders
Melbourne Storm
Adelaide Sea Eagles (Manly to Adelaide)
Western Tigers (Wests Tigers to Perth)

 

[jim_57]

If we're doing our ideal lineups. Pie in the sky really when you consider we can't even get 2 new teams but here goes.

1. Newcastle Knights (12 Hunter)
2. North Coast Sea Eagles (6 Central Coast, 6 Brookvale or SFS)
3. Eastern Sydney Roosters (12 SFS)
4. South Sydney Rabbitohs (11 SFS or ANZ, 1 Country)
5. St George Illawarra Dragons (6 Kograh or SFS, 6 Wollongong)
6. Cronulla Sharks (12 Shark Park)
7. Parramatta Eels (11 WSS,1 Country)
8. Wests Tigers (9 WSS, 1 Leichardt, 1 Cambpelltown, 1 Country)
9. Penrith Panthers (9 Penrith, 2 WSS, 1 Country)
10. Canterbury Bulldogs (11 ANZ,1 Belmore)
11. Canberra Raiders (11 Canberra, 1 Riverina)
12. North Queensland Cowboys (12 NQ Stadium)
13. Brisbane Broncos (12 Suncorp)
14. Gold Coast Titans (12Cbus)
15. Western Jets (12 Games Suncorp, 6&6 if a 20-25k ground built in Ipswich)
16. Moreton Bay Dolphins (10 Suncorp, 1 Dolphin Oval, 1 Sunshine Coast)
17. Melbourne Storm (12 AAMI Park)
18. Adelaide Bears (11 Adelaide,1 SFS V Sea Eagles)
19. Perth Reds (12 Games NiB Perth)
20. South Auckland Warriors (12 Games Mt Smart)
21. North Auckland Vulcans (12 Games North Harbour)
22. South NZ Orcas (9 Wellington, 3 Christchurch)

20 is probably a better number if that can be consolidated a bit, 3rd NZ & Brisbane teams probably the obvious ones to leave out.

Like I said, pie, sky.

 

[greenBV4]

Being from the North Coast of NSW I don't like the idea of calling a Sydney/Central Coast team "North Coast"
East Coast is a better name IMO, especially if we also get a "West Coast", and I'd like to see the Titans take control of the North Coast a bit more, most the local clubs are already aligned with them, I'd would of liked to of seen them take games to Lismore or Coffs when they took games on the road to the country this year

 

[greenBV4]

This is my "Ideal" 18 team lineup, with a focus on mergers and new clubs rather than relocations
I change my mind almost every day though as the Sydney teams make it hard, and there's no way to make everyone happy (which go, which stay, keep or go, who with who...)

North Queensland Cowboys
Unchanged
North Queensland Stadium

Moreton Bay Dolphins
New
Suncorp, 1 @ Redcliffe, 1 @ Sunshine Coast

Brisbane Broncos
Unchanged
Suncorp

Gold Coast - Northern Rivers Titans
more focus on NC
Robina, 1 @ redeveloped Lismore or Coffs

Newcastle Knights
Unchanged
Newcastle

North Sydney Eagles
Eagles + Bears - Northern Team
SFS (or new North Sydney Stadium), 3 @ CC

Sydney Roosters
Unchanged - CBD/Eastern Team
SFS

Sydney Bulldogs
Bulldogs + Balmain - Inner West Team
WSS, 1 @ Leichhardt

Western Sydney Eels
Eels + Panthers + Magpies - Western Team
WSS, 1 @ Penrith, 1 @ Campbelltown

Southern Sydney Rabbitohs
Souths + Sharks - Southern Team
SFS, 3 @ Cronulla

South Coast - Illawarra Dragons
Partial Relocation
Woolongong, 1 @ Kogarah

Canberra Raiders
Unchanged
Canberra

Melbourne Storm
Unchanged
AAMI

Geelong Wolves (or other name)
New - Geelong and Western Melbourne
Kardinia Park (or new rect. stadium with A-league bid)

Auckland Warriors
Re-re-named
Mt Smart (Eden for big games)

Southern Orcas (or other name)
New - Everywhere but Auckland
Christchurch, 3 @ Wellington

Adelaide Rams
Re-admitted
Hindmarsh

West Coast Pirates
Re-admitted and Renamed
NIB

Next 2:
TAS, NT, QLD5, CC or Pacific

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Cronulla Sharks, Manly Sea Eagles, Parramatta Eels become new teams in NSW Cup

 

[greenBV4]

Also I want to throw this one out for discussion (I'm undecided):

What are the chances of a Tasmanian team being successful in the NRL?

Tasmania seems to of been in a one-way relationship with the AFL for a long time, and are continually screwed over (GWS and GC getting in before them)

If the NRL could somehow convince the gov to build a rectangular stadium (joint with A-league maybe?) and give them a team, how quickly could/would the state turn on the code that has neglected them?
Surely the state gov would get behind it, instead of throwing money at Hawthorn and North Melb, they could put funds into an NRL team that would play in a national competition

I think the population and economy might be too small to support a team but thought it might be an interesting discussion

 

[Perth Red]

None, small population, little corporate support, no stadium and zero grass roots. But apart from that it'd be a great idea!

 

[flippikat]

Also I want to throw this one out for discussion (I'm undecided):

What are the chances of a Tasmanian team being successful in the NRL?

Tasmania seeßms to of been in a one-way relationship with the AFL for a long time, and are continually screwed over (GWS and GC getting in before them)

I think the population and economy might be too small to support a team but thought it might be an interesting discussion

Hmm.. well, given that most other sports leagues don't have a Tasmanian team, they might just jump at an NRL side.. whether there's money in it is a moot point. (Basically, the argument goes "if a Tassie team earned money, other sports would have top-tier teams there"). the NRL may win a few hearts & minds there by doing what AFL won't, but I'm not convinced it'll earn them much.

 

[Diesel]

My turn

NQ Cowboys
Moreton Bay Dolphins
Queensland Kings (Brisbane 2/west Brisbane)
Brisbane Broncos
Gold Coast

Newcastle Knights
North Sydney Sea Eagles
East Coast Roosters
South Sydney Sharks (Cronulla/Souths)
Parramatta Eels
Western Sydney Panthers (Campbelltown /Penrith)
Wests Tigers
Sydney Bulldogs
Illawarra Dragons


Canberra Raiders

Melbourne Storm

Auckland Warriors

West Coast Pirates

 

[theo]

Put all the Sydney teams in a Sydney rugby league competition to feed a Sydney rugby league team for the national competition.

 

[BuderusIsaBeast]

For mine
Sydney Roosters (North and East Sydney)
South Sydney Rabbitohs
Parramatta Eels
Penrith Panthers
St George Illawarra Dragons (Wollongong, country NSW team)
Newcastle Knights

Brisbane Broncos
Brisbane Tigers (there is an easts Tigers and a Souths Logan Magpies, Tigers are the most inoffensive Sydney team to relocate)
North Queensland Cowboys
Gold Coast Titans

Canberra Raiders
Melbourne Storm
Perth Sharks
Adelaide Sea Eagles

Auckland Warriors
Canterbury Bulldogs (playing out of Christchurch and Dunedin)

That’s 16 which leaves 4 future expansion spots open for Victoria 2, SA 2, WA 2 and another expansion area (NZ 3, VIC 3, PNG etc)

We need to get to the stage where we have derbies in each state.

 

[axl rose]

For mine
is an easts Tigers and a Souths Logan Magpies, Tigers are the most inoffensive Sydney team to relocate)

 

[theo]

Put all the Sydney teams in a Sydney rugby league competition to feed a Sydney rugby league team for the national competition.

The Sydney representative team should be free from the bureaucracy of financial caps in the way the New South Wales state team and the Australian national team are free from the bureaucracy of financial caps.

Financial caps as I understand were implemented to stop clubs from overspending and getting into trouble and to stop the hoarding of epic class players at clubs with open chequebooks, therefore setting the scene for an even distribution of players throughout the league. This is ideal at the local level but at the representative level it diminishes seeing the epic class players playing together as one team one town when representing their area.

Addressing the foreign worker issue (which is also a concern in politics amongst political parties,
businesses, and voters) allow a maximum of three imports (players outside of the Sydney competition) for each club. If an imported player plays for the Sydney representative team, that player is then considered a local. The club is rewarded for Sydney representation and the import rule minimises the clubs risk from being an import dumping ground. The import rule doesn't mean a club must have three imports, indeed a club may have no imports.

 

[theo]

What would happen if there was one team representing Sydney? The surplus of players who can play first grade and miss out would probably go to other teams outside of Sydney such as Melbourne, Brisbane, Canberra, etc. rather than settle for a lower reputation league. Or maybe not.

I'll let this statement clarify the players perspective from a post written by Bernie Gurr at The Roar https://www.theroar.com.au/2014/04/04/loyalty-in-rugby-league-reality-or-myth

Understand that players search for the best deal considering their short span of a professional career and the inherent dangers of professional sport.

Players change clubs for many and varied reasons. Better money helps, but also increased financial security via a longer-term contract than offered by their current club. They may not get along with the coach, or want an opportunity to play regular first grade in a certain position.

They may not like the management and direction of their current club, or may believe their new club has a better chance to win. They may want to live in another area, or get closer to family.

Players also stay with clubs for a variety of reasons, and accept lower pay because they genuinely love their current club, or like the area and are settled with their family. They may be confident of the club’s prospects, get on with the coach and teammates, or be worried their chance to play representative football may diminish at a weaker club.

Often the player who accepts less money to stay at his current club is viewed as demonstrating loyalty, but the reality is that the player, his family and his agent have assessed all the relevant factors, both financial and non-financial, in order to arrive at the best decision. The non-financial factors should not be under-estimated.

Bottom line is that players justifiably make decisions in their own best interests, as we all do, and as clubs do.

 

[Teddyboy]

We are heading towards the Northern Roosters which includes Manly and the Central Coast

That is ridiculous idea but then maybe the Roosters could stretch to Newcastle as well and maybe merge take over with St. Steelers, Sharks and then push out west and merge also with the Eels, Bulldogs, Panthers, Souths and West Tigers and become a Super NRL side called New South Wales Blues or something ?

 

[theo]

Financial caps as I understand were implemented to stop clubs from overspending and getting into trouble and to stop the hoarding of epic class players at clubs with open chequebooks, therefore setting the scene for an even distribution of players throughout the league.

This is true but complicated. Becoming an Australian citizen is simple compared to the complexities that clubs face for salary cap and third-party agreement compliance and all the sports fans perception of certain clubs cheating.

Have a points import rule to replace the financial aspects that is seeable. The seeable test could be as simple as, if a player plays first grade that player is worth one point, represents the state worth another point, represents the country worth another point, therefore the player is worth three points. Each club is allocated points they can spend on players outside the club.

 

[theo]

Addressing the foreign worker issue (which is also a concern in politics amongst political parties, businesses, and voters) allow a maximum of three imports (players outside of the Sydney competition) for each club. If an imported player plays for the Sydney representative team, that player is then considered a local. The club is rewarded for Sydney representation and the import rule minimises the clubs risk from being an import dumping ground. The import rule doesn't mean a club must have three imports, indeed a club may have no imports.

The import rule can also be used for player movement from club to club within the Sydney competition.

 

[theo]

This is true but complicated. Becoming an Australian citizen is simple compared to the complexities that clubs face for salary cap and third-party agreement compliance and all the sports fans perception of certain clubs cheating.

Quantity Import Rule

Addressing the foreign worker issue (which is also a concern in politics amongst political parties,
businesses, and voters) allow a maximum of three imports (players outside of the Sydney competition) for each club. If an imported player plays for the Sydney representative team, that player is then considered a local. The club is rewarded for Sydney representation and the import rule minimises the clubs risk from being an import dumping ground. The import rule doesn't mean a club must have three imports, indeed a club may have no imports.

Quality Import Rule

Have a points import rule to replace the financial aspects that is seeable. The seeable test could be as simple as, if a player plays first grade that player is worth one point, represents the state worth another point, represents the country worth another point, therefore the player is worth three points. Each club is allocated points they can spend on players outside the club.