NRL faces major turmoil as clubs threaten breakaway league

[DiegoNT]

The NRL set a poor precident when they bailed out those 4 clubs

What would you have done in that situation?

 

[Von Hipper]

So they are taking away players over 23 being able to play representative football above group level?
Wow what a slap in the face for country rugby league players.

dont they just go elsewhere to further their rugby league? At some point these country people will have to move if they're to play in nrl.

Nah, we dont think of that.

 

[unforgiven]

Actually they probably won't be able to play at group level either because they pick the regional sides from the group sides. Unless groups decide to play separate games for proper senior teams and effectively have senior and u23 teams, of which only the 23s will be considered for further honours.

So no rep honors for players over 23, that is a terrible decision. I no longer live in the country, but country rugby league was a big part of my life growing up. I can't see why you would ever take away players chance of playing rep footy.

 

[Von Hipper]

So no rep honors for players over 23, that is a terrible decision. I no longer live in the country, but country rugby league was a big part of my life growing up. I can't see why you would ever take away players chance of playing rep footy.

isn't it a complete restructure. Can't expect it to be 1950 anymore. Im guessing most decent players are already vying in different areas or you're not on the money with this.

What would you have done in that situation?

I think its 'free slanging day' and nothing needs to be backed up. lol

No! Don't bail out clubs, he'll say.

Its almost like we need to take a test before we criticise these days. The facebook/twitter generation. ....

Though it begs the question why those bailed out clubs dislike the ARLC so much.

But next we'll have Adam "my dad works at the roosters, probably!!!" Kungel come on and say 'its not good enough! These clubs need 1/16th of all ARLC revenue or - wait for it - OR we "won't feeeeeeeel right about it all!'

Its all about the feels.... just like a daily telegraph report.

 

[unforgiven]

dont they just go elsewhere to further their rugby league? At some point these country people will have to move if they're to play in nrl.

Nah, we dont think of that.

It's not about playing NRL, its about representing the area you are from. Having been involved in country rugby league growing up, there were many many people who were never going to play NRL football but lived for football. Why should these people have the ability to play rep football taken away at the age of 23? Every other sport you can still play reps at ages much older. Hell I just player over 30's touch and my father played over 50's both at rep levels

 

[typicalfan]

Why change the pathways for country rugby league? Country NSW and QLD are the best development regions in the world for rugby league. Notice I say Rugby league and not NRL.

 

[Von Hipper]

It's not about playing NRL, its about representing the area you are from. Having been involved in country rugby league growing up, there were many many people who were never going to play NRL football but lived for football. Why should these people have the ability to play rep football taken away at the age of 23? Every other sport you can still play reps at ages much older. Hell I just player over 30's touch and my father played over 50's both at rep levels

i would have thought they would move to further their career. is it not a part of getting the best players into the same spots? And also rationalisation of the pathways.

Why change the pathways for country rugby league? Country NSW and QLD are the best development regions in the world for rugby league. Notice I say Rugby league and not NRL.

I dont think its such a drastic change. Lets face it, a lot of people from the country also don't mind moving/love to move, because they realize if they have a skill such as the rugby league thing and they don't want to work rural (which can be great, yes) they will more than happily move/need to/or want to move.

I think its just about getting more of the best players into the same areas. And in the end its only helping someone from that region, by furthering their career and getting them noticed.

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I want to get back to talking about how the clubs are narky grinches, and acting like badly behaved women.

 

[kbw]

Both sides of the who is to blame are actually correct.
There are some prize idiots running NRL clubs, mainly at the board levels. But there are some very smart people running clubs that are not doing well financially because of the idiots that run the NRL

The NRL do not care about how many people get to games. They care about # members and the corporate sponsorships they can drain.

Too much of the money that comes in to the NRL stays in the NRL administration and no one sees it again.

 

[unforgiven]

i would have thought they would move to further their career. is it not a part of getting the best players into the same spots? And also rationalisation of the pathways.



I dont think its such a drastic change. Lets face it, a lot of people from the country also don't mind moving/love to move, because they realize if they have a skill such as the rugby league thing and they don't want to work rural (which can be great, yes) they will more than happily move/need to/or want to move.

I think its just about getting more of the best players into the same areas. And in the end its only helping someone from that region, by furthering their career and getting them noticed.

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I want to get back to talking about how the clubs are narky grinches, and acting like badly behaved women.

Where are these players moving to?

 

[Von Hipper]

Where are these players moving to?

how much of a country person are you? If you are 23 and in the country, you want to be ANYWHERE but the country.

especially if you have the following bankable skills, but not limited to

maths, science, history, sport, technology, you name it.

 

[DC_fan]

Who would fund the breakaway league?

 

[Von Hipper]

Both sides of the who is to blame are actually correct.
There are some prize idiots running NRL clubs, mainly at the board levels. But there are some very smart people running clubs that are not doing well financially because of the idiots that run the NRL

The NRL do not care about how many people get to games. They care about # members and the corporate sponsorships they can drain.

Too much of the money that comes in to the NRL stays in the NRL administration and no one sees it again.

I appreciate your opinion 100%, you had the courage in here to get back on topic.

But like so many things its not clearly divisible where things stand about who is responsible for what, and when doing a full competition draw each year its good with the bad stuff.

If I were a club I would have been happy with 1-2M more. I have no idea why they thought 3M more was a good idea. As it is they were going to get 1.5m loans iirc

The clubs dont give a rats about the sport. Rightly so some may say, but they can't have it both ways.

The ARLC's purpose with money is to distribute it as well as possible given the world is dynamic and bad times can befall anyone. I want to know where the clubs get the idea (with finite amounts of money) they should be getting so much (and remember they can do more than just get NRL grants) that it should prevent the entire game from functioning correctly.

If clubs did not lose 45m a year combined maybe they could afford more.

Also, these clubs are in a league (to my mind, please bare with the thought) so they are partly responsible for those other clubs losing that amount of money, because of the arms-race and all that. If they were not so gluttonous/insert-adjective, the 45M amount may be even less, and the amount the nrl had to fund the clubs it needed to take ownership of may have been a whole lot less.

The worldview where clubs are angels and everyone is trying to kill them, frankly does not exist.

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I personally think a digital strategy that works is more important than next years budgets for clubs. What they all really need is closer consultation. They dont need someone on the board but they do need a mechanism that from within the nrl links the clubs to the top level for non executive things.

 

[East Coast Tiger]

how much of a country person are you? If you are 23 and in the country, you want to be ANYWHERE but the country.

especially if you have the following bankable skills, but not limited to

maths, science, history, sport, technology, you name it.

Really? And yet there's 3 million people in non-metro NSW. They must all be really pissed off.

 

[Von Hipper]

Really? And yet there's 3 million people in non-metro NSW. They must all be really pissed off.

You are famous for being stubborn. But here I ask you not to conflate things, please. You are erroneously mixing things up. We're talking about a fraction of the population.

omg, did I put it in that post, maybe I did not. I was referring to young, male, 23 year olds. Or extend it to anyone who is a teenager. IF they have something they can take elsewhere, they do.

So you do not think these people (or at least some of them) want to travel, to see the world, to get out and do things?

You would have them stuck in the country for the rest of their lives?

I think you know what I mean. We don't have to be so confined to the literal bounds, use your imagination.

Mate, IF you have a bankable skill - and I take it you don't but thats not the point but otherwise you may see it differently - you definitely want to apply yourself in other locations. I put it to you that talented 17-23 year olds with a bankable skill such as being good at a sport are NOT ordinary people.

They are the exception to the norm.

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I grew up rural. I loved it. I would have walked around barefoot for the rest of my life. Trust me. But I think they have changed these things because its a new age; and where/if it falls short over time, I'm sure they will mend it. Its no good saying "bah fooey dont change it all"...

but I think its more with making all areas competitive with one another/same opportunity. I get a hunch because the whole thing is built around being "streamlined".

 

[East Coast Tiger]

omg, did I put it in that post, maybe I did not. I was referring to young, male, 23 year olds. Or anyone who is a teenager. IF they have something they can take elsewhere, they do.

So you do not think these people (or at least some of them) want to travel, to see the world, to get out and do things?

You would have them stuck in the country for the rest of their lives?

I think you know what I mean. We don't have to be so confined to the literal bounds, use your imagination.

According to you every 23 year old male in country NSW (and younger) is there against their will and would move anywhere else if they had the choice. And if they do have the choice, they move.

Well you learn something new every day. Every young bloke I meet from now on I'll commiserate them on their terrible predicament.

 

[Von Hipper]

According to you every 23 year old male in country NSW (and younger) is there against their will and would move anywhere else if they had the choice. And if they do have the choice, they move.

Well you learn something new every day. Every young bloke I meet from now on I'll commiserate them on their terrible predicament.

Yea.....sure.....I hope to assuage your deliberate moves to misconstrue what I am saying. I am taking it to mean you're feeling embarassed that you can't account for everyone in country nsw thoughts on the matter but you are making out you do.

If you don't think its reasonable that someone may want to move - especially if they are talented - to further their career, then I am sorry your intelligence is not your strong-suite.

I note how anti-nrl you are, and how despicable you consider the ARLC. If the game brings you so much displeasure - then why do you comment on it on a forum where people can challenge your obviously unsubstantiated opinions? [you obviously are happy being negative, miserable and unkind toward rugby league]

 

[East Coast Tiger]

Yea.....sure.....I hope to assuage your deliberate moves to misconstrue what I am saying. I am taking it to mean you're feeling embarassed that you can't account for everyone in country nsw thoughts on the matter but you are making out you do.

If you don't think its reasonable that someone may want to move - especially if they are talented - to further their career, then I am sorry your intelligence is not your strong-suite.

I note how anti-nrl you are, and how despicable you consider the ARLC. If the game brings you so much displeasure - then why do you comment on it on a forum where people challenge your obviously unsubstantiated opinions?

You're the one making sweeping "unsubstantiated" generalisations about people in country NSW. And embarrassingly ignorant ones too. And then trying to suggest I'm the one making ridiculous statements on behalf of other people.

If you are 23 and in the country, you want to be ANYWHERE but the country.

And then equate the ARLC with "the game". The ARLC is not rugby league. Even if it thinks it's the be all and end all and dopey merkins like you agree.


So whose troll account is this one anyway? I'm sure it will become clear in time.

 

[Von Hipper]

You're the one making sweeping "unsubstantiated" generalisations about people in country NSW. And embarrassingly ignorant ones too. And then trying to suggest I'm the one making ridiculous statements on behalf of other people.



And then equate the ARLC with "the game". The ARLC is not rugby league. Even if it thinks it's the be all and end all and dopey merkins like you agree.


So whose troll account is this one anyway? I'm sure it will become clear in time.

So you just hold up your mirror? If I step to the left, do you step to the left, too?

You can believe what you want. But the reality is - what you hate IS happening. And no matter what you do, what you say, or even what ever pathetic things you believe, my view is happening, and yours is not.

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And what is the game then? You?

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This is not a troll account. Unfortunately insulting me, or saying this is a troll account, just because I do not agree with you is just childish. Take a good look at yourself, pal.

Whats your opinion on the breakaway then? Lemme guess.... "evil arlc!?" "evilsssss!!!!" and "evillllsssssssessss!!!"

 

[kbw]

The clubs dont give a rats about the sport. Rightly so some may say, but they can't have it both ways.

Believe it or not there are some clubs that do give a toss about the sport. It depends on who is running them and a couple give quite a bit of funding to the junior clubs under them.

NSWRL give a gigantic rats ass about the sport. Under manned to an extent but they really do it for the "game".

The NRL are the ones that don't give a flying "F" about the game. Which is stupid really anyone with a brain knows that if you grow the game properly then its good for all levels.

 

[East Coast Tiger]

So you just hold up your mirror? If I step to the left, do you step to the left, too?

You can believe what you want. But the reality is - what you hate IS happening. And no matter what you do, what you say, or even what ever pathetic things you believe, my view is happening, and yours is not.

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And what is the game then? You?

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This is not a troll account. Unfortunately insulting me, or saying this is a troll account, just because I do not agree with you is just childish. Take a good look at yourself, pal.

Whats your opinion on the breakaway then? Lemme guess.... "evil arlc!?" "evilsssss!!!!" and "evillllsssssssessss!!!"

Your view is happening is it? And what the f**k is that then?

As we've already seen your "view" of things is complete bullshit.

If you are 23 and in the country, you want to be ANYWHERE but the country.