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NRL faces major turmoil as clubs threaten breakaway league

Stormwarrior82

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No hatred for a man I don't know personally and probably thinks he is doing the right thing and might even be a nice guy...

Just don't think he is the right man to take the game forward and I am using his wishy washy indecision on NRL Expansion to highlight one area of his inadequacies which most of his supporters seem oblivious too..

Wish washy indecision.... Grant has always said, "look after current clubs first then Nrl club expansion". Is still saying it. Not oblivious, but can understand, Don't get them mixed up.

Would you want our expansions clubs like suns and gws?

That's fine I'm happy to disagree with you. This is all about opinions.
 

siv

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and now today John Grant is attending the opening of the Titans new training facility

why?

it's not his job to be there. just wants to be there so he can see his mug on TV
and now today John Grant is attending the opening of the Titans new training facility

why?

it's not his job to be there. just wants to be there so he can see his mug on TV

Pretty simple I would have thought

Honor a commitment for not siding with the other clubs
 

Perth Red

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The sort of mob, you'd want in the trenches in a land invasion.

is that a sharks SL jersey I see in the picture? Loyalty? lol

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Front-Rower

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Don't the NRL own the club brands now? How would clubs break away, are they going to change their names, logos and colours and form a 16 club league with new names?

I believe they own (or license) the trademark names such as Brisbane Broncos, Canberra Raiders etc. As was the case in the Super League days, the ARLC and the NRL wouldn't be able to stop a breakaway club being called Brisbane, for example.
 

BuffaloRules

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How bad are those jerseys?

Penrith had the worst but they are all shyte...

The Cowboys player looks like a 40 yr old they found at a nearby pub ..
 

Von Hipper

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Its the same in the AFL too, but given the clubs in question have been recieving more for some time, its a laughable position. The 'as long as its not me', mentality.

I think the NRL should be doing similar, but under a Football Cap almost immediately.

"The four wealthiest teams in the AFL are in a new battle with the competition over club funding after learning they will receive no additional money from the new $2.5 billion broadcast rights agreement.
its the same in the AFL too, but given the clubs in question have been recieving more for some time, its a laughable position. The as long as its not me, mentality.

I think the NRL should be doing similar, but under a Football Cap almost immediately.

"The four wealthiest teams in the AFL are in a new battle with the competition over club funding after learning they will receive no additional money from the new $2.5 billion broadcast rights agreement.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...-funding-battle-with-afl-20160915-grhf6q.html



Simple answer

NRL pull out of supporting these clubs if they don't toe the line

They can't, not given how the situation is. The clubs will have a fit. They will say not only are they not giving them enough money but now they're actively trying to kill sydney teams.

The AFL clubs lose double the amount that NRL clubs do, but they just get the handouts from the governing body with minimal outrage and care factor from anybody...

NRL clubs don't realize how lucky they are. This is the exact same point the AFL got to, and they doubled down - the NRL are trying to do something about the silly escalation. Oh - and the AFL are now trying to do something about the escalation with their football cap and all that, the re-equalisation, ect. Except now the AFL have extra constitutional powers and they've already gone down that line, so the clubs have little choice.

Speculating but I reckon 30% would cover overheads associated with these salaries. In other words the clubs would have zero out of pocket expenses in relation to salaries.

? LOL..... no..... buddy they want the money because they're tired of being told how to spend their 'divine right'.



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To think we had to wade through knee deep in ECT's bullcrap to get to the real issues.

ECTiger - idiot - I hope you can see there is NO money for your stupid group's rep sides, ect.

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Forget ECT, he's entitled to his view, even if he resorts to name calling, it does not help him.

> You have to all consider people like Pendergast at the players association - hardliners, and people like Bart at the Storm. These outsiders coming in and saying they will take it all for all its worth, thats the second thing thats kicking up a stink.

It only goes to reason that things/progress will take longer with such characters about. The clubs however - yeah, they wanted to rush things.

All the money the ARLC wanted to save 5 years ago, that has been sucked up by the leeches above, and the clubs are only just realizing. They're not interested in rainy-day funds. They want to be like the others - they want 'their' money NOW, and they want to spend it however they like, because a premiership next year means a lot to them - even if they go broke the next.

Call that thick. Call that valiant, call it what you will. Thats the mentality. I think they're morons.

^ Now we have people like ECT upset they can't afford to put down a rep side in every corner of the land; its just not right!

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The clubs should declare what would they do with the 130% increase, because if there spending for the sake of spending they shouldn't get the money as it would be wasted and few years later cry poor and the cycle begins again as league is standing still as the clubs consumption of money drain potential expansion and the bigger picture.
 

Von Hipper

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First a couple of quotes, then my financial plan.

Clubs have had significant increases in grant revenue since 2011 and most have seen significant increases in self generated revenue in last few years. Despite this most still make losses (or rely heavily on significant pokie funding to remain viable). So how much is enough?

The AFL, being far smarter than us, recognised a decade ago that it would need to create a culture of unequal grants and ticket taxes if it was going to support the poorer clubs to keep them sustainable and competitive and allow for continued significant expansion plans. Whilst not everyone is happy with their income equalisation strategy it is hard to argue it hasn't worked out well for them.

Back in RL land the clubs don't want to help each other out, cant make ends meet despite significant revenue increases, now demand more of the pie from the NRL at the cost of expansion and want to play a game of dirty politics through the media.

You can easily see why corporates sponsors don't flock to RL like they do other codes.

This is exactly what we should be doing. The club bosses look like tools, I do agree. They dont even seem to know AFL exists and has shown us the way.

OOPS! Thats right, the NRL tried to introduce something similar, but those girls wouldn't have a bar of it.


The 16 clubs are united.
To be clear, I don't believe a breakaway comp is at all a possibility here, but IF push came to shove and the worst case scenario eventuated, the clubs could form a new competition fairly easily. Newcastle an Gold Coast aren't going to stop it.

How would the NRL go about forming 16 new clubs?

I know you stated a pre-case for that, but in reality you are still saying its ludicrous to suggest they would even bother, let alone be able to. Setting up a comp like that is easy? Its going to be a giant headache.

I dont know how the NRL would go about forming new clubs, but the old club names, colours and locations are going to sound very familiar to people.

We see this kind of branding win in the world all the time. It may not help the NRL much, but it will decimate the upstart. Who cares if its origin quality - its going to be lame when they have to come up with a whole new unfamiliar name.

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I am shocked and dismayed at no expansion just like everyone else, thats why I came up with my own funding model that solves everyone's beefs.

They need a large distribution fund that automatically does not reward the poorest teams, but comes in the form of favours and credits and gifts; there's a small automatic scaled distribution, barely 1/3rd, then the next 2/3rds are worked for. A committee and submissions decide on the rest of the money. The money accumulates each year and at the end of 5 they get a larger automatic amount. Its not to be used for pay packets directly.

They won't get 3M a year each but by the end they should be getting close to it. Its not difficult to access this fund, there just needs to be a reason.

The ARLC can use favours to buy votes on it, but they all need to save money.

We want expansion, so 3M a year extra based on a 10m/year salary cap just won't work.

If they can save 16M each year, to my mind thats 16 they can put toward an expansion team - while at the same time they have been directly boosting clubs fortunes. At some point they would put on a football department spending cap - but only once the clubs felt they were up to speed on everything and stood a good chance from then-on. So the clubs would agree when that time was to be.

And as to that, they would have another committee looking over (blindly to each other) the clubs and ranking their performances. This would help in distributing the money. So the clubs even get their board-to-clubland phone line....

ITS NOT an even distribution. It works on the premise clubs are accessing it for genuine growth things that help them all round, so it expects not all clubs will access all they can each year. It would reward longer-term plans too I suppose. If they can save 10M a year even (on what it would have been), thats 10m extra (minus the final large payment before the football cap is voted in) for an expansion team.

They can do their grassroots to a certain level, and do their data/media thing too.

To be clear, I am kinda skimping on club payments - but think with new commitees/people it can put funds where they will be most visible to all, and I am kinda skimping on the junior strategy. But I am thinking they will all be able to do much more than now with the new stadia, hopefully that balances it out.

If they have credits+/loans, favours and gifts, that would be nice. Favours build with trust over time, but get wiped hard if a club needs financial support.
 
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Von Hipper

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Don't the NRL own the club brands now? How would clubs break away, are they going to change their names, logos and colours and form a 16 club league with new names?

The clubs know this is their last hurrah at getting more influence on the commission, once they sign up to perpetual licenses they will have no bargaining power to break away or not conform. They will be contractually obliged to the NRL. Whilst this also means clubs can be as sht as they like and not fear getting booted it also means they will no longer have a bargaining position, hence why they are desperate to get more control of the commission now through a new constitution giving them stronger representation.

I think the money is just part of the bigger concessions the clubs are trying to get here and putting pressure on Grant not Greenburg is a very interesting play and probably tells you who the clubs think they can control easier.

I see you can look at th

haha, No please don't. You don't have anything to offer me. I am waaaaay ahead of you.

In the days ahead they must secure votes - and here you are, with your hand on your non existent crutch sock giving crap to strangers online.

I know 1 your lack of self esteem, 2 your intelligence level that is more akin to a sheep, 3 your lack of critical thinking skills.

So I already knew you had nothing to add.

You even missed perth red's comment.

Its clear which ones of you have brains and which do not.


Don't the NRL own the club brands now? How would clubs break away, are they going to change their names, logos and colours and form a 16 club league with new names?

The clubs know this is their last hurrah at getting more influence on the commission, once they sign up to perpetual licenses they will have no bargaining power to break away or not conform. They will be contractually obliged to the NRL. Whilst this also means clubs can be as sht as they like and not fear getting booted it also means they will no longer have a bargaining position, hence why they are desperate to get more control of the commission now through a new constitution giving them stronger representation.

I think the money is just part of the bigger concessions the clubs are trying to get here and putting pressure on Grant not Greenburg is a very interesting play and probably tells you who the clubs think they can control easier.

I see you can look at the bigger picture - but the rest of the guys here either 1 can't, or 2 are stuck in the past "Ohhhhh another super league waaaar!!!? yay!!!"

Facepalm. If this place was full of less nitwits...

BTW - you people do realise other sides such as the roar are far more popular than this?

You people really need to take a good look at yourselves. But a topic for another time.

I see so many blinkered views - its nice to see Perth Red has no blinkers on.
 

Von Hipper

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nothing different to the way your beloved AFL clubs work except they rely on pokies even more

They, ah... just got 6m people to watch their "lousy" sport on tv.

You need to 1 get self esteem, 2 get some intelligence about you when you write these things out, 3 get a clue

Are you dean ritchie? Why do you always post news ltd articles?

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You can lash out at the AFL when the NRL can give its worst performing clubs 20 million dollar grants. Until then, stop being pathetic.
 
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Von Hipper

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But others can read. You can make the biggest things you like - it just shows 1 you're a kid, 2 you'll be an idiot when you grow up too.

But like I was saying, they will need votes in the next days - not that anything will change when the commission's chair changes - its still the same amount of money.

Just admit you didn't read it because you are way out of your depth, and its times like these when your intelligence is shown up for what it is - no wonder you lash out.

Your mother didn't love you, or your dad didn't love you - friend, you will get no love from anyone with an attitude like that....
 
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Von Hipper

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what the?

Are you some kind of sociopath? Be present in this thread, and maybe answer the question, are you dean ritchie?

You have 80,000 posts, and that is roughly 2 weeks of continuous time on here at 15 seconds a post. TWO WEEKS CONTINUOUS TIME! (but I think 15 seconds a post is a bit too short, more like 30 seconds - 1 minute)

You are either in the industry or in a wheelchair. Please answer this, are you dean ritchie?

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Just so people understand I am not derailing this thread, I want to ask people why the AFL chairman can open facilities, but the NRL chairman can not, and even given he is under pressure from revolting clubs today?

Is there an Agenda in here? A news ltd agenda?

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2014-...ining-facility-at-sydney-olympic-park/5267390
 

Canard

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I'd still like to see the ARLC explain why they no longer can honour their commitment.

At the very least they have terrible PR.
 

Von Hipper

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You could say this thread has the lollipoper Blues.

Talk sense. At least you're talking more sense than before.

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Just so people understand I am not derailing this thread, I want to ask people why the AFL chairman can open facilities, but the NRL chairman can not, and even given he is under pressure from revolting clubs today?

Is there an agenda in here? A news ltd agenda?

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2014-...ining-facility-at-sydney-olympic-park/5267390

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Stick with it long enough to form an opinion.

Is there an anti ARLC sentiment in here? And whats it based on.

Other websites are not weirding themselves out like you lot

http://www.theroar.com.au/2016/11/29/arl-commissioners-throw-their-support-behind-john-grant/

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I note the editing around of comments in here. Congratulations, deceptiveness too. When you can't win an argument (argument denoting 'debate') you sling insults, it seems, and then be deceptive in your representations. One guy even went ahead and collected 4 different supporting threads.
 
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