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NRL faces major turmoil as clubs threaten breakaway league

Stormwarrior82

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The 16 clubs are united.
To be clear, I don't believe a breakaway comp is at all a possibility here, but IF push came to shove and the worst case scenario eventuated, the clubs could form a new competition fairly easily. Newcastle an Gold Coast aren't going to stop it.

How would the NRL go about forming 16 new clubs?

United in different ways. Where would the money come from? Rupert? Packer? Both already in the new Nrl deal. They would have to pay 2 tv deals. Well push did come to shove when super league happened. I'd say like last time approx 50/50 split would happen. And like then players had a fair say in that to. I think the Nrl would actually go ok.
 

El Diablo

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and now today John Grant is attending the opening of the Titans new training facility

why?

it's not his job to be there. just wants to be there so he can see his mug on TV
 

BuffaloRules

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I think the Nrl have firm plans. They either want to keep it close to their chest or just really bad and explaining things. Probably a bit of both.

It seems the first thing is the rlpa and the salary cap. Then the clubs and grants, KPI. Once the grants,salary cap are all sorted then the Nrl can get more for those clubs that they need to sell. Once all clubs have had a year or 2 to get on there feet and are showing profits as well as digital and feeder expansion has started I would assume they would look at Nrl expansion.
All this doesn't happen in a year and most can see the seriousness of each individual issue.

Gee... there is a lot there to be done... What have they been doing over the past 12 months?

Sorry, but Grant has no plans for NRL expansion.... the article you quoted reinforced that...
 

adamkungl

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Everyone says the self-interested clubs won't support expansion because it would cut into their bottom line.

It would only do so because the NRL spends the equivalent of 7 clubs on itself.
 

Stormwarrior82

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and now today John Grant is attending the opening of the Titans new training facility

why?

it's not his job to be there. just wants to be there so he can see his mug on TV

Your hatred for him runs deep. Well for someone that apparently dispises clubs and thinks there worthless, thats nice of the CEO and commission to turn up. Seems like the administration does have the clubs back dispite the clubs media arm stating otherwise.

Not his job is your opinion and that's fine. I don't care either way if he was there. Showing support can't be a bad thing, otherwise he would crucified by others for not attending.
 

Stormwarrior82

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Most of the people that say self interested clubs won't support expansion is because they generally don't. History proves that. Broncs made life hard for crushers without doubt. And when gallop was talking about expansion and even Smith clubs were vocal in their opposition for that due to the clubs wanting support and bail out money instead. They have received that and still unhappy.
 

BuffaloRules

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Most of the people that say self interested clubs won't support expansion is because they generally don't. History proves that. Broncs made life hard for crushers without doubt. And when gallop was talking about expansion and even Smith clubs were vocal in their opposition for that due to the clubs wanting support and bail out money instead. They have received that and still unhappy.

I asked you to supply a link where Grant supported NRL expansion, and all you could come up with was one where he said it was unlikely to happen even after 2023 as he prefers to expand the feeder leagues...

Its not just the clubs that don't want it to happen...
 

El Diablo

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Your hatred for him runs deep. Well for someone that apparently dispises clubs and thinks there worthless, thats nice of the CEO and commission to turn up. Seems like the administration does have the clubs back dispite the clubs media arm stating otherwise.

Not his job is your opinion and that's fine. I don't care either way if he was there. Showing support can't be a bad thing, otherwise he would crucified by others for not attending.
no it's not his job

it's why they have a CEO
 

DiegoNT

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United in different ways. Where would the money come from? Rupert? Packer? Both already in the new Nrl deal. They would have to pay 2 tv deals. Well push did come to shove when super league happened. I'd say like last time approx 50/50 split would happen. And like then players had a fair say in that to. I think the Nrl would actually go ok.
Well unlike last time, all the clubs are united. At the end of the day people support clubs. The reason superleague failed was that they didn't get all the clubs. Half the popular clubs went to superleague, the broncos,raiders, bulldogs and the other half stayed in the arl, the likes of manly, newcastle, dragons. Supporters largely stayed with their clubs so it becamea stalemate.
Say hypothetically the16 clubs split straight away and announced a breakaway comp for next year. Fox and 9 would be looking to get out of their deals straight away. But lets say they can't where to from there? Well you would think channel 7 or 10 would jump at the chance at a rugby league comp featuring the broncos, souths and bulldogs etc. Fox knowing they'd lose a chunk of subscribers would likely have to make a play for the new comp anyway. It probably won't be as much current deal but it would be a start. Next comes sponsorship. Sponsors would want to stay with established brands. That's especially true for the one town teams. Would a townsville based company want to support the Cowboys or Nrl's new Townsville Bushrangers? What hope would a Brisbane team have trying to gain sponsors over the broncos? So immediately the breakaways start having momentum.
Next is what does the nrl do for teams. 16 teams would take alot of money to establish. Then there's the question of where do the teams go? Would you try put another team in places like townsville, newcastle, auckland
, Canberra? Hunter Mariners ring any bells? How many sydney teams would you include? Do you really expect fans to jump ship from clubs they've supported their whole lives for new plastic clubs? Would anyone jump ship from the south sydney rabbitohs to support the south sydney bandicoots? How many Brisbane teams? Would you lump in 2 teams to compete against each other and the broncos juggernaut? Afl are losing shit loads trying to establish teams in volatile markets imagine doing a whole comp. So any money advantage the nrl had from a big tv deal would evaporate quickly.
Which leaves the players. The clubs already have the rlpa on its side. It's easier to get a player to stay at his current club then to switch sides. How many would gamble on going to a newly made club? Enough to make 16 teams? At the end of the day people will still support their teams no matter who plays for them. I'd still watch the rabbitohs even if they dug up shannon Hegarty and joel Reddy over a souths sydney bandicoots club featuring GI the the burgii and reynolds. The nrl would need to keep 80% of current players to remain competitive with a new comp which would be impossible.

The nrl needs it's clubs more then the clubs needs the nrl. The clubs (and players through people watching them) is how the nrl makes it money. It's had power in the past because clubs could agree on anything. If you asked all 16 club bosses last year what colour the sky is not all 16 would say blue. It shows the incompetence of the current nrl leadership that they've galvanized the clubs together and created a monsters for themselves
 
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I kinda hope there is a breakaway league and the NRL kills itself, again, while the other codes laugh at us and take our market share.

We kinda deserve it with this constant infighting. Let them burn I say.
 
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I kinda hope there is a breakaway league and the NRL kills itself, again, while the other codes laugh at us and take our market share.

We kinda deserve it with this constant infighting. Let them burn I say.
Another troll appears.
I would put money on the fact that your a fan of the imported game from England and Ireland
 

Stormwarrior82

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I asked you to supply a link where Grant supported NRL expansion, and all you could come up with was one where he said it was unlikely to happen even after 2023 as he prefers to expand the feeder leagues...

Its not just the clubs that don't want it to happen...

Definition of expansion. -The action of becoming larger or more extensive.

By that definition increasing the feeder teams footprint is classified as Rugby league expansion whether you like it or not. Maybe when you say expansion maybe add expansion of the number of Nrl teams. Might suit your opinion better. I want expansion but they have decided to shore up the clubs and expand the feeder footprint first.

Unlikely is just that. Could still happen by 2022/23. Neither of us know the real answer till then.
 

Stormwarrior82

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Well unlike last time, all the clubs are united. At the end of the day people support clubs. The reason superleague failed was that they didn't get all the clubs. Half the popular clubs went to superleague, the broncos,raiders, bulldogs and the other half stayed in the arl, the likes of manly, newcastle, dragons. Supporters largely stayed with their clubs so it becamea stalemate.
Say hypothetically the16 clubs split straight away and announced a breakaway comp for next year. Fox and 9 would be looking to get out of their deals straight away. But lets say they can't where to from there? Well you would think channel 7 or 10 would jump at the chance at a rugby league comp featuring the broncos, souths and bulldogs etc. Fox knowing they'd lose a chunk of subscribers would likely have to make a play for the new comp anyway. It probably won't be as much current deal but it would be a start. Next comes sponsorship. Sponsors would want to stay with established brands. That's especially true for the one town teams. Would a townsville based company want to support the Cowboys or Nrl's new Townsville Bushrangers? What hope would a Brisbane team have trying to gain sponsors over the broncos? So immediately the breakaways start having momentum.
Next is what does the nrl do for teams. 16 teams would take alot of money to establish. Then there's the question of where do the teams go? Would you try put another team in places like townsville, newcastle, auckland
, Canberra? Hunter Mariners ring any bells? How many sydney teams would you include? Do you really expect fans to jump ship from clubs they've supported their whole lives for new plastic clubs? Would anyone jump ship from the south sydney rabbitohs to support the south sydney bandicoots? How many Brisbane teams? Would you lump in 2 teams to compete against each other and the broncos juggernaut? Afl are losing shit loads trying to establish teams in volatile markets imagine doing a whole comp. So any money advantage the nrl had from a big tv deal would evaporate quickly.
Which leaves the players. The clubs already have the rlpa on its side. It's easier to get a player to stay at his current club then to switch sides. How many would gamble on going to a newly made club? Enough to make 16 teams? At the end of the day people will still support their teams no matter who plays for them. I'd still watch the rabbitohs even if they dug up shannon Hegarty and joel Reddy over a souths sydney bandicoots club featuring GI the the burgii and reynolds. The nrl would need to keep 80% of current players to remain competitive with a new comp which would be impossible.

The nrl needs it's clubs more then the clubs needs the nrl. The clubs (and players through people watching them) is how the nrl makes it money. It's had power in the past because clubs could agree on anything. If you asked all 16 club bosses last year what colour the sky is not all 16 would say blue. It shows the incompetence of the current nrl leadership that they've galvanized the clubs together and created a monsters for themselves

The club grants and a new breakaway comp are 2 different things and clubs would vote differently. If it gets to the nitty gritty, and clubs need to decide whether to accept 10-13 mil Grant from Nrl with backing of a 2billion dollars tv deal or the chance from someone like 7/10 to pay the same? Probably some would and some wouldn't.

I'm not going to bother replying to a hypothetical, because it's just that.

I don't believe the Nrl need the clubs more. The Nrl needs the players and clubs probably 50/50. The players need the Nrl if they want a competitive high paying job and the clubs need the Nrl to stay relevant. Otherwise there just another rsl.
 

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