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NRL faces major turmoil as clubs threaten breakaway league

El Diablo

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what the?

Are you some kind of sociopath? Be present in this thread, and maybe answer the question, are you dean ritchie?

You have 80,000 posts, and that is roughly 2 weeks of continuous time on here at 15 seconds a post. TWO WEEKS CONTINUOUS TIME! (but I think 15 seconds a post is a bit too short, more like 30 seconds - 1 minute)

You are either in the industry or in a wheelchair. Please answer this, are you dean ritchie?

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Just so people understand I am not derailing this thread, I want to ask people why the AFL chairman can open facilities, but the NRL chairman can not, and even given he is under pressure from revolting clubs today?

Is there an Agenda in here? A news ltd agenda?

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2014-...ining-facility-at-sydney-olympic-park/5267390
it's him for sure lol
 

Stormwarrior82

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Reading between the lines the MOU was taken off the table for a good reason. There is No upside for the Nrl admin doing otherwise.

If we listen to some of the statements that have come out of the meeting last week a few things are clear.
1. The Nrl are worried about grassroots funding
2. Digital presence
3. Cost of salary cap and grants
4. The MOU and other clause need a dramatic change.

1. Just the other day I have noticed ads on tv for kids and playing rugby league that I can't remember ever seeing before.

Grassroots is something we definitely need to promote and is well and truely needed.
Richo's review may be similar to what ends up happening with the grassroots/pathways to the Nrl.
The under 20 removal will affect this as well

2. Now something I hope can take Nrl to another level is digital. What form this will take in the coming years hopefully will be awesome and the clubs will play a massive part in that. Even help increase there own clubs bank balance.

3. Having 100% salary cap covered is a certainty. Now having KPI could cause clubs wanting extra $$. And then other potential costs that may come like the push into digital and associated cost in starting that up.

4. My thoughts about the MOU is that in its current form was too much for the Nrl and the KPI clauses weren't agree to either. Doesn't mean a similar amount can't be agreed to though.

With the under 20s being removed that in itself reportedly saves the clubs upwards of $1 million per year. That money could be moved to clubs new digital dept?

Some clubs are very active in the grassroots department and I think the Nrl must have some plan for the clubs going forward.

There are a lot of things at play here. Hopefully the clubs can act like adults this time around and go to the meeting on Thursday and Listen to what the Nrl has to say.
 
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taipan

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is that a sharks SL jersey I see in the picture? Loyalty? lol

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The Sharks in fact were one of the clubs Super league did not want initially .Peter Gow knowing the Sharks were in a financial sh*thole pushed for their inclusion, and the SL honchos accepted as a last resort to get the numbers..It's called survival.And look where the club is now.
The Sharks had a choice either they went to SL or they were stuffed financially.I attended the meeting at the Sharks League's club when they decided to go to SL.Going to SL saved the club,the ARL were looking at shafting them if they couldn't get their sh*t together.

It wasn't a club that was accepted in the ARL in 1995 and within "5 minutes' decided to go to Super League.Especially after pushing to get into the ARL as a matter of privilege.

Try again and know the history.There is a world of a difference.
 

Knight76

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If the NRL wants to improve in the digital space they better start by getting rid of the Telstra run site and all the cookie cutter team sites.

Try digital subscription to the NRL.com site and filtering the video's by season, or team to find game. Impossible. Not to mention that shamozzle of trying to log in on the phone and get the live game started, too many login hoops to jump through with the ap reverting back to the webpage and getting you to log in multiple times just to get the game stream started.

The NRL's digital presence is an abomination.
 

Von Hipper

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If the NRL wants to improve in the digital space they better start by getting rid of the Telstra run site and all the cookie cutter team sites.

Try digital subscription to the NRL.com site and filtering the video's by season, or team to find game. Impossible. Not to mention that shamozzle of trying to log in on the phone and get the live game started, too many login hoops to jump through with the ap reverting back to the webpage and getting you to log in multiple times just to get the game stream started.

The NRL's digital presence is an abomination.

That's what the whole Digital thing is about.

Don't worry about the mentally challenged above. If you have a new device you won't have those troubles. I never had those problems in ages now.
 

Knight76

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That's what the whole Digital thing is about.

Don't worry about the mentally challenged above. If you have a new device you won't have those troubles. I never had those problems in ages now.

Sigh, my device is new, it is constantly a pain to deal with the ap. And as above, searching for games is non event on computer.
 

Perth Red

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The Sharks in fact were one of the clubs Super league did not want initially .Peter Gow knowing the Sharks were in a financial sh*thole pushed for their inclusion, and the SL honchos accepted as a last resort to get the numbers..It's called survival.And look where the club is now.
The Sharks had a choice either they went to SL or they were stuffed financially.I attended the meeting at the Sharks League's club when they decided to go to SL.Going to SL saved the club,the ARL were looking at shafting them if they couldn't get their sh*t together.

It wasn't a club that was accepted in the ARL in 1995 and within "5 minutes' decided to go to Super League.Especially after pushing to get into the ARL as a matter of privilege.

Try again and know the history.There is a world of a difference.

Which was exactly the Same situation the Reds were in due to the stupid travel expenses anchor put around their neck by the Arl. So it's ok to be disloyal if you're broke? Ok glad wecleared up that the two clubs were in the same boat and you'd want neither in some mythical land trench war lol.
 

Hello, I'm The Doctor

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The Sharks in fact were one of the clubs Super league did not want initially .Peter Gow knowing the Sharks were in a financial sh*thole pushed for their inclusion, and the SL honchos accepted as a last resort to get the numbers..It's called survival.And look where the club is now.
The Sharks had a choice either they went to SL or they were stuffed financially.I attended the meeting at the Sharks League's club when they decided to go to SL.Going to SL saved the club,the ARL were looking at shafting them if they couldn't get their sh*t together.

It wasn't a club that was accepted in the ARL in 1995 and within "5 minutes' decided to go to Super League.Especially after pushing to get into the ARL as a matter of privilege.

Try again and know the history.There is a world of a difference.

Im fairly sure this is entirely wrong...

Shane Richardson was running the club at the time and was one of SLs big supporters. According to the book "Super League: the inside story" the sharks team and most of the players were signed up to SL on the first day.
 

LESStar58

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Im fairly sure this is entirely wrong...

Shane Richardson was running the club at the time and was one of SLs big supporters. According to the book "Super League: the inside story" the sharks team and most of the players were signed up to SL on the first day.

Yep. Pretty sure Andrew "my face is going to be on billboards in China" Ettinghausen was definitely one of the first to sell his soul.
 

alien

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Yes your club might have a game on Friday at 6pm with those teams but the alternative would of been Monday night. Would you want that instead?

Monday 7 PM games are actually a bit better, as it gives people more time to get to the stadium after work. Having games at stupid times affects attendance and membership numbers. If games were at better times and on better days for fans, the clubs would make more money, and then the NRL wouldn't have to give the clubs quite so much with the grants.

Friday: 7.30 PM x 2
Saturday: 3.30 PM, 5.30 PM, 7.30 PM
Sunday: 2 PM, 4 PM, 6 PM
 

Von Hipper

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Reading between the lines the MOU was taken off the table for a good reason. There is No upside for the Nrl admin doing otherwise.

If we listen to some of the statements that have come out of the meeting last week a few things are clear.
1. The Nrl are worried about grassroots funding
2. Digital presence
3. Cost of salary cap and grants
4. The MOU and other clause need a dramatic change.

1. Just the other day I have noticed ads on tv for kids and playing rugby league that I can't remember ever seeing before.

Grassroots is something we definitely need to promote and is well and truely needed.
Richo's review may be similar to what ends up happening with the grassroots/pathways to the Nrl.
The under 20 removal will affect this as well

2. Now something I hope can take Nrl to another level is digital. What form this will take in the coming years hopefully will be awesome and the clubs will play a massive part in that. Even help increase there own clubs bank balance.

3. Having 100% salary cap covered is a certainty. Now having KPI could cause clubs wanting extra $$. And then other potential costs that may come like the push into digital and associated cost in starting that up.

4. My thoughts about the MOU is that in its current form was too much for the Nrl and the KPI clauses weren't agree to either. Doesn't mean a similar amount can't be agreed to though.

With the under 20s being removed that in itself reportedly saves the clubs upwards of $1 million per year. That money could be moved to clubs new digital dept?

Some clubs are very active in the grassroots department and I think the Nrl must have some plan for the clubs going forward.

There are a lot of things at play here. Hopefully the clubs can act like adults this time around and go to the meeting on Thursday and Listen to what the Nrl has to say.

Huge amounts at play. The clubs are wasting their time imho
 

alien

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The NRL must be run by a bunch of socialist dummies. They are taking away the clubs chances to make as much money as possible (by having games on stupid days and times) which means the clubs are even more dependent on the NRL itself. The NRL also wants the clubs to put in a certain amount of money per year into a fund to save incompetent clubs. They also want a salary cap on football department spending. So basically an incompetent club can continue being incompetent, but will get away with it because the well run clubs will be brought down to their level. This isn't how it should be.
 

Von Hipper

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Hahahahahahahaha The Roar fmd

Ok beyond dismissing this elsewhere I'll use it as an example.

About 10 people, if that, actually come to this site on a regular basis. I don't know what that says about this site but about 50-100 goto the roar nrl section.

I'll leave it up to you to figure it out.

The NRL must be run by a bunch of socialist dummies. They are taking away the clubs chances to make as much money as possible (by having games on stupid days and times) which means the clubs are even more dependent on the NRL itself. The NRL also wants the clubs to put in a certain amount of money per year into a fund to save incompetent clubs. They also want a salary cap on football department spending. So basically an incompetent club can continue being incompetent, but will get away with it because the well run clubs will be brought down to their level. This isn't how it should be.

I actually sympathise with what you're saying, I just can't support it.

Not only do those things maximise dollars it's just not a market economy they are operating in. The clubs don't earn enough plus the limited resources, sponsors, tickets, it's a banana republic. Also the economy is buffed up by closed nrl injections in the main.

It's not an open market. The players skills based internal economy is more open market but it exists under layers and tight regulation too.

The clubs don't need more money, per say', they need just enough to go ahead with their sporting tech while staying solvent. If they use extra money to combat themselves they simply waste it.

The nrl will get years ahead by introducing a football department cap.

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Finally the future is Digital. I recently purchased a Google Pixel with cash off contact. Not to bignote or suggest you should too, but it shows the market is getting flexible and mature enough, plus at 1450 it's not cheap but the tech is beginning to represent "worth it". It has no trouble getting a location lock. These have 4x carrier aggregation, the iPhone is no where near it.

If you're using the nrl app you need a Geo lock before you start going into streams.

By the time LTE mobile Sports get here the carrier aggregation on Qualcomm with their purchase of the semi conductor mob for 40 billion, itll be too late.

You will be able to stream at over 50mb/s... The Pixel if Australian mobile actually supported it can do more than the 16mb/s+.... It would do 40ish.

Think of how many shows that means.

Digital is the future. The NBN is good but mobile could be better. Pretty sure LTE 13 or 14 is like 100mb/s. 10x carrier aggregation.

Telstra will flick fox and buy nrl plus more. You'll probably get stations from nrl on telstra plus heaps more from Google, ect, beamed into your home using some broadcast space from old tv to boot, then to your mobile devices including your car, and you'll be far better off.

Mobile parts in Pixel are doing 24mb/s here but 16 max, and 48 overseas already with Qualcomm gearing up further, it's an open source world now, iPhone is able to already do 12mb, and there other players out there.

The way Google is doing it now, look at Project Fi that also uses old Telco towers/networks, you're never away from a mobile network, they all flow into each other, and in future android will support zero day provisioning for everything, so it sets up and dismantles networks with ease.

NRL should be on that train. It means clubs don't have to wait on tv networks to generate revenue, plus flexibility.

> The clubs should not waste the money because the profitability is already falling out of Foxtel and no one knows the position telstra or Optus will be in or anyone else. It will be a landslide or a cliff face. No one is saying Fox won't be able to pay but a year will come where it's blatantly obvious due to the size of our market here the old ways are not best. The ARLC must decide when they will jump off the old train and be prepared.

Other opportunities like LTE proximity and other things can be monetized and used. TV will look old, feel old, and be old.

They just rolled out LTE cat 9 in England and HTC, Google Pixel, Samsung s7, plus other latest devices can use it. At 45mb/s you download instantly, and with Android 7 and its brand new compiler, it installs everything instantly, optimises later.

You can watch Freeview tv app on your devices, and most New Foxtel subs are for their mobile offerings.
 
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Hello, I'm The Doctor

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I dont understand why everyone is so against this safety net idea...

Its not like clubs are paying cash back to the ARLC, just that the ARLC is withholding a portion of the grant and putting it aside to cushion and f*ck ups.

And its not like there is no repercussions for running a club into the ground. The first act of the ARLC after stepping in would be to remove all of the offending directors; they would all be routed out and probably band from the game.

This fund is just an insurance policy to protect the game and the fans from shitty directors. why is that so terrible?
 

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