NRL faces major turmoil as clubs threaten breakaway league

[Stormwarrior82]

I'd still like to see the ARLC explain why they no longer can honour their commitment.

At the very least they have terrible PR.

Really...?

Have you been living under a rock for the past week?

I don't agree with how you worded that. The MOU was part of a larger agreement. The clubs obviously liked the Grant/$$$ part of the agreement but didn't like the KPI part and stalled it. The Nrl thought the clubs would finally come around on that KPI issue but didn't, so they pull it all.

They stated time after time that the MOU in its current form was wrong. Due to -
1. Available funds
2. Change in grassroot funding
3. Change in digital costs/funding
4. No agreement on KPI clauses
5. Salary cap issues.

You'll never get good PR when the people your working with leak to the media like a siv.
That's one thing that needs to somehow be fixed.

 

[Canard]

Really...?

Have you been living under a rock for the past week?

I don't agree with how you worded that. The MOU was part of a larger agreement. The clubs obviously liked the Grant/$$$ part of the agreement but didn't like the KPI part and stalled it. The Nrl thought the clubs would finally come around on that KPI issue but didn't, so they pull it all.

They stated time after time that the MOU in its current form was wrong. Due to -
1. Available funds
2. Change in grassroot funding
3. Change in digital costs/funding
4. No agreement on KPI clauses
5. Salary cap issues.

You'll never get good PR when the people your working with leak to the media like a siv.
That's one thing that needs to somehow be fixed.

Is this press release on NRL.com? Or elsewhere?

 

[Stormwarrior82]

Monday 7 PM games are actually a bit better, as it gives people more time to get to the stadium after work. Having games at stupid times affects attendance and membership numbers. If games were at better times and on better days for fans, the clubs would make more money, and then the NRL wouldn't have to give the clubs quite so much with the grants.

Friday: 7.30 PM x 2
Saturday: 3.30 PM, 5.30 PM, 7.30 PM
Sunday: 2 PM, 4 PM, 6 PM

Like I've said before I didn't mind Monday nights. Friday at 6pm I don't think improves anything, but it's what we have got now.
Unless you have 4xfriday 730 games and 4xsunday 330 games no one will be happy. Geez even the Broncs complain about the Friday night games.

Different times suits different teams so what's good for one Mighten be for the another. I don't have an answer but blaming game times for financial issues is a bit boring. The time slots have nearly always been the same.

Haha the Nrl wouldn't have to give so much??

 

[BuffaloRules]

They didn't "offer" it was a stipulation of them being accepted. That would have been around 1992, by the time 1994/95 came around they had a clearer picture of income and expenditure and could see they were screwed before they even started. A deal with Ansett didn't eventuate like they had been promised and the rest is history. Everyone says how rich the arl was pre superleague yet they put this financial noose around the Reds from day one, not very smart wouldn't you agree?

Out of interest, were you even in the country at the time?

What stipulation are you talking about?

There was an open bid process at the time involving 4 bidders for what was thought to be two spots...

The Perth bid volunteered to pay for the travel costs if they were admitted as part of their proposal...

Would they have been accepted without this offer? Who knows?

All 4 bids were ultimately accepted so their offer to pay the costs was taken up...

 

[Stormwarrior82]

The NRL must be run by a bunch of socialist dummies. They are taking away the clubs chances to make as much money as possible (by having games on stupid days and times) which means the clubs are even more dependent on the NRL itself. The NRL also wants the clubs to put in a certain amount of money per year into a fund to save incompetent clubs. They also want a salary cap on football department spending. So basically an incompetent club can continue being incompetent, but will get away with it because the well run clubs will be brought down to their level. This isn't how it should be.

Which would you rather?

A self interested, generally poorly run club making money and The Nrl not
Or
The Nrl developing all areas of their business and the clubs being held accountable?

 

[Stormwarrior82]

Which expansion clubs do you think would be like the Gold Coast Suns and the GWS Giants? I am confident clubs from Perth, Adelaide, and a second Brisbane club would be a lot more successful.

You are probably right. Perth and Brisbane definitely yes, Adelaide to a lesser extent. But to run a club costs a lot. Ask the AFL. It's not smart business to just throw money at it. There needs to be a good footprint there to be able to maintain it long term and that's what the Nrl are trying to do.

A new club to be competitive would need Penrith type training facilties to get players to go there. Multiple big sponsors. Fan base. Good stadium deal. Potentially owning a Club house and a solid revenue stream. This all costs money and I'm sure negotiations are happening all the time to get it to this.

 

[Stormwarrior82]

I can understand it for new expansion clubs, but for clubs who have had a long time to strengthen their brand - no. They are stopping expansion. If they continuously need financial help to survive (above what the other clubs get), then they should fold/compete in a lower tier comp, or relocate. They are just holding the game back.

I completely agree. Should the Nrl say, "here is the Grant money, do what you want with it. But don't come to us for any more money. Otherwise well will relocated or take your license away"

The Back page the day after, "Nrl doesn't have clubs back"

 

[ashton]

Why do the NRL give the Melbourne Storm 6 million dollars more than other clubs each year.

 

[Stormwarrior82]

Any saving of $1 mil of U20 costs will come with a grant reduction

A report done by the the NRL indicated that to run a junior operation requires $2 mil

Add to that the $1 mil to run a state league team

So each of the 32 state league clubs need to generate $3 mil

The $5 mil being diverted for u20s splits to be $156k per state league club

Add to that $100k Cup grants fron the NSWRL

$256k is way short to cover basic player costs which are around $500k and $250k

So basically the NRL/NSWRL/QRL need to giving each state league club $1 mil

Thats $32 mil a year rather than the $8 mil today

I'm not going to argue with your $$ figures but I'm sure if the extra dollars from the u20s plus the odd $100 mil grassroots will have any affect. with the massive money qrl and nswrl will receive, I'm sure they can help cut clubs costs and help streamline there individual businesses.

 

[Stormwarrior82]

Is this press release on NRL.com? Or engage?

Put on your big boy pants and do a simple google search. You'll find everything there.

 

[Canard]

Put on your big boy pants and do a simple google search. You'll find everything there.

Yep nothing on NRL.com that goes anywhere near into the detail you have produced.

There is a release today saying that talks have been postponed until further notice, however.

 

[Stormwarrior82]

Why do the NRL give the Melbourne Storm 6 million dollars more than other clubs each year.

I believe it was initially agreed to when they joined the comp to help promote the game and grassroot growth because they were the only ones down there. Plus it was a little bonus for News.

News sold the storm to current owners with the extension of that agreement for similar reason I believe. That extra cash does finish at some point though.

This is my understanding of it.

 

[taipan]

They didn't "offer" it was a stipulation of them being accepted. That would have been around 1992, by the time 1994/95 came around they had a clearer picture of income and expenditure and could see they were screwed before they even started. A deal with Ansett didn't eventuate like they had been promised and the rest is history. Everyone says how rich the arl was pre superleague yet they put this financial noose around the Reds from day one, not very smart wouldn't you agree?


40 years of supporting your basket case to survive and you flipped at the first opportunity, not only that but your star player became one of the figureheads of superleague. weak, very weak.

You still don't get it, too much English sun.The club before SL nearly went out the door on a couple of occasions.The club was fully aware of their precarious situation ,as was the ARL.The ARL was looking at expansion and relocation was on their mind and the Sharks were ATT at the head of the list.

I was there at the SL/ARL meetings at the Leagues Club, don't tell me how to suck eggs.You of course attended the Reds meeting and agreed to go to SL LOL.

Their star E.T (a local junior)was one of the last Shark's players to sign for SL(again you show your cluelessness)..He didn't sign on day one, nowhere near it.The club played for nigh on 40 years in the NSWRL/ARL comp.They were not Johnny come lately.

And that "basket" case club now ,is making you look even sillier.

Once again you deflect by ignoring the fact (the Reds) invited in by the ARL as one of the new teams in the comp.The club barely had time to say thank you ARL,then switched over to SL.Like getting invited to a wedding ,and then reneging the invite on the day of the wedding.Bend with the breeze we got and invite,stuff them.Play ARL 1995,agree to go to SL same year, that's what I call sticking not.

Alien made the point about the Magpies point taken.

 

[Stormwarrior82]

Yep nothing on NRL.com that goes anywhere near into the detail you have produced.

There is a release today saying that talks have been postponed until further notice, however.

Wow...

like I said, a simple google search will lead you to plenty of RL articles about the past week.

 

[Canard]

Wow...

like I said, a simple google search will lead you to plenty of RL articles about the past week.

Yeh. I don't rely on Buzz Rothfield for my news.

 

[johnny plath]

I'd still like to see the ARLC explain why they no longer can honour their commitment.

At the very least they have terrible PR.

Grant has invited the club bosses to meet this week to do just that. ...but they're all busy throwing their toys out. ...they don't want resolution they want a coup and this is their excuse and opportunity

 

[Jatz Crackers]

...they don't want resolution they want a coup

I would have to agree, that at this point, this is how it appears.

Which is disappointing, especially from Gus Gould. To think he trumpeted for so long, the merits of ridding ourselves of News Ltds hold on the game so we could have an independent commission that obtained the games true financial potential via the media broadcast deal, while the clubs were free to concentrate on football.

And yet now we have a situation whereby the clubs (with Gould quite vocal) choose a scenario in which talk of a rebel competition emerges just like the game was still at the mercy of super leagues threats in 1995.

The clubs may well be disappointed in some of The Commissions/Grants actions but they could also now choose to resolve the issue rather than use a power play to take the head of a commission member.

It comes across as to playing to the scheming desires of uncle rupes all over again.

 

[Stormwarrior82]

Yeh. I don't rely on Buzz Rothfield for my news.

Well I'm glad you don't. For a minute there, I thought from your ridiculous responses that you were him.

 

[Canard]

Well I'm glad you don't. For a minute there, I thought from your ridiculous responses that you were him.

No problems, John.

I wish you the best in your new endevours.

 

[Stormwarrior82]

No problems, John.

I wish you the best in your new endevours.

Do you normally resort to childish thread derailments? If you want to act like an adult and reply to the points I raised go ahead.
If not that's fine to, but while you are at it, when you're down at the playground in the ball pit can you throw a ball at politis and dibs head for me?

From John.