NRL faces major turmoil as clubs threaten breakaway league

[alien]

This is what the entire issue is. The Nrl are saying that they won't make money. The clubs are saying but you promised us. Look, I'd like to see all clubs profitable but not at the expense of grassroots and that is exactly what is happening right now.

Maybe the Nrl should give in and give the clubs the $13 mil and take the rest off the grassroots amount? Would you prefer that?

The NRL would make plenty of money, and there would be enough for grassroots. Maybe the NRL need to spend less on admin.

 

[Stormwarrior82]

2013 was the start of the tv deal. Back then the salary cap was raised to $5.85 mil and the long awaited Grant was increased to $7mil. +$1.15mil difference

2014 the salary cap was $6.3 mil and grants were $7.55 mil. +$1.25mil difference.

Now I could go on but I think you guys are starting to get the picture.

Now today I read this...

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...l/news-story/79600e4e913f32eec9464c15f7d148bd

Look I can except that clubs could have used up some money from the MOU but not until 2017 right? They wouldn't of dare used it in 2016? They would be that stupid? A Grant of close to that $ figure will still be there. So this is either shockingly biased or clubs spending is out of control.

Leads me to my next point... now everyone is expecting the salary cap to be $10 mil. Clubs want $13 mil Grant (130%). +$3mil difference.

Now if all clubs are trying to build a Penrith like center of excellence ($22mil build) which by this article they are, and I don't blame them. It would take 8 years to make a profit while stunting the grassroots and expansion of rugby league.

If they introduce a football dept cap like the afl it will force clubs to spend excess money on Center of excellence, marketing, ticket sales, merchandise, digital, etc. it's the only way to go.

 

[alien]

You would be laughed out of the building!

What time slot are you proposing?

Friday: 7.30 PM x 2
Saturday: 3.30 PM, 5.30 PM, 7.30 PM
Sunday: 2 PM, 4 PM, 6 PM

 

[alien]

2013 was the start of the tv deal. Back then the salary cap was raised to $5.85 mil and the long awaited Grant was increased to $7mil. +$1.15mil difference

2014 the salary cap was $6.3 mil and grants were $7.55 mil. +$1.25mil difference.

Now I could go on but I think you guys are starting to get the picture.

Now today I read this...

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...l/news-story/79600e4e913f32eec9464c15f7d148bd

Look I can except that clubs could have used up some money from the MOU but not until 2017 right? They wouldn't of dare used it in 2016? They would be that stupid? A Grant of close to that $ figure will still be there. So this is either shockingly biased or clubs spending is out of control.

Leads me to my next point... now everyone is expecting the salary cap to be $10 mil. Clubs want $13 mil Grant (130%). +$3mil difference.

Now if all clubs are trying to build a Penrith like center of excellence ($22mil build) which by this article they are, and I don't blame them. It would take 8 years to make a profit while stunting the grassroots and expansion of rugby league.

If they introduce a football dept cap like the afl it will force clubs to spend excess money on Center of excellence, marketing, ticket sales, merchandise, digital, etc. it's the only way to go.

If the NRL chooses to have more games at bad times for fans, then the clubs lose money, which means they need a bigger grant to survive. If the NRL wants to give smaller grants, then they shouldn't have games at 6 PM Friday, or games on Thursday and Monday nights.

 

[Stormwarrior82]

The NRL would make plenty of money, and there would be enough for grassroots. Maybe the NRL need to spend less on admin.

Lol you can't just say that when the Nrl commission has publicly said they can't afford it. The only way is for the grassroots amount to lessen.

Ok I can accept your spend less admin statement. The Nrl admin has decreased there spending by $10mil due to the clubs grievances last year. Not bad, could be more possibly? But I also want the best Admin team in the world in the Nrl not a group of local club under 14 managers. With all due respect to those people.

 

[Stormwarrior82]

Friday: 7.30 PM x 2
Saturday: 3.30 PM, 5.30 PM, 7.30 PM
Sunday: 2 PM, 4 PM, 6 PM

So you only want 2 or 2 and a half FTA games?

 

[siv]

Friday: 7.30 PM x 2
Saturday: 3.30 PM, 5.30 PM, 7.30 PM
Sunday: 2 PM, 4 PM, 6 PM

FRI 8pm live FTA
SAT 4pm live PTV
SAT 6pm live PTV
SAT 2 x 8pm live FTA
SUN 2 x 2pm live FTA and PTV
SUN 2 x 4pm live FTA and PTV
SUN 6pm replay PTV
SUN 8pm replay PTV

Other timeslots
FRI 4pm National U20s
FRI 6pm National RG
SAT 10am National U20s
SAT 2pm National RG
SUN 10am National U20s
SUN 2pm National RG

 

[alien]

So you only want 2 or 2 and a half FTA games?

I didn't say that.

 

[Von Hipper]

tldr

dude how the hell did you wack on 2000 posts in the last few days.

People should remember the QRL tried to put in place a new system where the clubs didn't think they had some divine right.

I don't see how the courier mail can say the clubs will fold when the NRL has to underwrite them. This is one of the points of giving them nowhere near what they think they should get - more money to bail them out.

 

[El Diablo]

tldr

 

[Von Hipper]

New story from the sydney morning herald.

Roy Masters, is probably hinting at the fact the AFL is not worried about people who served on boards of clubs previously being in the upper levels of administration. No one serisouly thinks Quayle would give a massive leg up to Newcastle, do they?

Im not too fussed. The constitution was crafted along with the likes of News Ltd in the shadows or standing over their shoulders - I think they need to take some bug spray to it.

Replace Grant and while I think its a waste of time, thats because he is only 1 commissioner (as well as chair) among 7 more. The next guy who is putting his hand up if not Quayle is Samuels who basically helped the AFL put 8 teams outside of Victoria.

The whole thing is a ruse by the clubs (most people seem to agree on this), and undoubtedly the constitution will be different and tightened after this.

But its not like the digital and grassroots things will disappear, or falling club profitability (off the back of increased football deparment spending) will somehow not become a problem.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...he-values-of-john-quayle-20161201-gt1wqw.html

 

[El Diablo]

you forgot to say GW here

 

[RL The greatest game]

The NRL would make plenty of money, and there would be enough for grassroots. Maybe the NRL need to spend less on admin.

May be the clubs do as well as even with all this admin staff clubs are still making big losses.

 

[Von Hipper]

May be the clubs do as well as even with all this admin staff clubs are still making big losses.

lol jesus, stop with the koolaid - you can't believe that surely. The nrl run an admin, and it goes toward something at least. the clubs spend almost 50M too much all told and its effectively a loss, that comes out of central funds when the nrl have to bail them out. From what we're told (and more transparency is needed) there is 12m in funds they could wipe. So its 50 v 12.

If thats 72M dollars, wow, thats got to be grassroots for a few years at least.

You know and we all know (and we must not let ourselves be duped by the clubs) they want the larger grants so they dont have to be told what to do with it. But if they're losing 50m combined per year I would hazard a guess - I /think/ they should definitely be told what to do with it.

 

[RL The greatest game]

lol jesus, stop with the koolaid - you can't believe that surely. The nrl run an admin, and it goes toward something at least. the clubs spend almost 50M too much all told and its effectively a loss, that comes out of central funds when the nrl have to bail them out. From what we're told (and more transparency is needed) there is 12m in funds they could wipe. So its 50 v 12.

If thats 72M dollars, wow, thats got to be grassroots for a few years at least.

You know and we all know (and we must not let ourselves be duped by the clubs) they want the larger grants so they dont have to be told what to do with it. But if they're losing 50m combined per year I would hazard a guess - I /think/ they should definitely be told what to do with it.

I repeat yet again "How the clubs lose money with the amount of funding they receive is beyond me"
I repeat yet again "You could give clubs $100 million a year and some would still lose money"
I repeat yet again again "NRL clubs are poorly run"
Perhaps some should employ an accountant because its clear to me some don't.

 

[Von Hipper]

I repeat yet again "How the clubs lose money with the amount of funding they receive is beyond me"
I repeat yet again "You could give clubs $100 million a year and some would still lose money"
I repeat yet again again "NRL clubs are poorly run"
Perhaps some should employ an accountant because its clear to me some don't.

Sorry, you are definitely on the case.

I don't know why they can't add up to zero - I would think any new funding arrangement must include digital and juniors or they will be dead in 20 years for certain.

The buck has got to stop somewhere, guess that somewhere should have been 10 years ago. lol

And I will just say, it has not been relevant up until now - in clear air, really - but the ARLC have handled this p!s poor. And also the clubs didn't really help with that, taking huge servings of ignorance with the help of certain papers/journo's, to believe they should go on making zero but expecting the entire game and a multitude of other businesses to fund them all because they put on a game.

The whole world can't be their charity. At some point someone has to step in an say "fill the holes before you add more water."

 

[Canard]

 

[El Diablo]

go away GW, OJlovedNicole, Von Neumann, $$Poor Boy Blues$$ etc etc

 

[Von Hipper]

Some of these clubs owe the nrl $15m together. Im sure some of you struggle to put away 100 steady a week besides your mortgages. That's 5k cash a year. Bugger all. But I bet you do it because cashflow is king. Why settle at 100 when you can make it 200 or 300, invest or go on a holiday with some even left over! The clubs don't even come away with 1 cent.

The NRL wrote off $10m debt recently from the clubs.

What sort of MOU do the clubs think they have? What do their MOUs mean? They take more money + need higher bailing out?

 

[taipan]

The Titans,Newcastle,West Tigers and Dragons have been funded to the tune of at least $30m in toto.Either to be repaid or clubs sold off.That's $30m not in the NRL kitty.

The ARL had about $25m in the bank just prior to SL.

The football clubs despite increased grants and yes lower grants from leagues' clubs ,are spending far too much in the admin side of the football depts, again many millions over the clubs.Millions that can and should be trimmed back.Give them more they spend it .

If there is one thing for sure NRL clubs at times, are like women at the Boxing Day sales.

Priorities are players must be paid and the best paid accordingly.
Grassroots must be financially supported so it can grow.
Clubs must be held responsible on their football dept expenditure.
Fan base must grow.
When this is achieved then expansion can be put back on the table.

Spending money either wilfully or not having enough to grow the game ,is undermining your very existence.