NRL faces major turmoil as clubs threaten breakaway league

[siv]

"Into the NRL"? 99.9% of RL players are no hope of making the NRL. I can't see how Oztag players are going to make it.

And if touch and tag is taking players from full contact RL there is no way anyone could possibly say it's still growing RL by growing touch or tag. Promoting something that removes players from RL and saying "hey at least they're not going to another code" is just...mental.

I think your missing the point

Its about letting the kids have fun under a RL banner

If they dont become players they become fans

And as fans the contribute as well as RL providing for a whole family experiance

And in 20 years you start again with ne next generation

But its interesting watching 15y old kids with something like a Cochlear implant as they grow older playing tag at school with RL players their same age. Why not let them do it on a Saturday afternoon as well

 

[Lockyer4President!]

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...ling-themselves-the-game-20161204-gt3ssj.html

Steve Mascord on point yet again.

 

[DiegoNT]

haha, thanks man. You realise you sound like you have nothing though..."I don't know where to begin" haha.

Because it's such a mind numbing stupid idea i literally don't know where to begin.
I'll try start with your suggestion that bush clubs/leagues are only good for being production lines for nrl players. That is an insult to the many thousands who have established and mantained many wonderful bush clubs, mostly out of the love for the game. I wouldn't even call these people volunteers because many have put their own money (and sweat and blood) into making and maintaining these teams.
Most bush clubs are a source of town pride. They are usually a great resources to towns. The footy oval serves as a community meeting place and sporting clubs are usually the backbones of small towns. To say they have no place as anything other than nrl production lines shows you have no understanding of Bush football.
As for the under 25 rule, it's practically impossible. Many bush clubs struggle for numbers, to cut off a source of good players in the 25-40 range will cut things to short. Young players learn a hell of a lot of the older guys. In many cases the older players in a bush team are as big a role model for young bush players as nrl stars, and striving to play and earn your spot amongst them is a huge push for bush kids. You also have locals who have tried to make it in the city, or former nrl/state cup players return to the bush usually in their late 20's and pass on there experience and expertise to the young fellas. This is vital. Many bush players have benefited from this.
The biggest problem for bush teams is player drain. The biggest cause is jobs and opportunities. Young men always leave for the city, talented footy players or not. Another is a lack of opportunities in football. Many young footballers feel they need to move to the city to be discovered. Every year bush teams lose a handful of players (even average players move to the city for footy opportunitues ) the city this way. Even if they don't make it they are usually lost for good. You then lose another handful of players who no longer play as all their mates have gone to the city. If these players do come back its usually when they are over 25. That's why state teams in rural centres are great imo. Players can stay at their local team knowing that if they are good enough they can play against other hopeful nrl players while staying at home. For many young players staying in a stable family environment will be huge for their devopment. How many young talented players are lost because they can't handle the move to the big smoke on their own at such a young age.
Not playing over 25y.o players will kill small bush teams, the production line you are seeking will in fact stall, many will lose a connection not only to the game but small communities will lose huge assets.

 

[T-Boon]

Because it's such a mind numbing stupid idea i literally don't know where to begin.
I'll try start with your suggestion that bush clubs/leagues are only good for being production lines for nrl players. That is an insult to the many thousands who have established and mantained many wonderful bush clubs, mostly out of the love for the game. I wouldn't even call these people volunteers because many have put their own money (and sweat and blood) into making and maintaining these teams.
Most bush clubs are a source of town pride. They are usually a great resources to towns. The footy oval serves as a community meeting place and sporting clubs are usually the backbones of small towns. To say they have no place as anything other than nrl production lines shows you have no understanding of Bush football.
As for the under 25 rule, it's practically impossible. Many bush clubs struggle for numbers, to cut off a source of good players in the 25-40 range will cut things to short. Young players learn a hell of a lot of the older guys. In many cases the older players in a bush team are as big a role model for young bush players as nrl stars, and striving to play and earn your spot amongst them is a huge push for bush kids. You also have locals who have tried to make it in the city, or former nrl/state cup players return to the bush usually in their late 20's and pass on there experience and expertise to the young fellas. This is vital. Many bush players have benefited from this.
The biggest problem for bush teams is player drain. The biggest cause is jobs and opportunities. Young men always leave for the city, talented footy players or not. Another is a lack of opportunities in football. Many young footballers feel they need to move to the city to be discovered. Every year bush teams lose a handful of players (even average players move to the city for footy opportunitues ) the city this way. Even if they don't make it they are usually lost for good. You then lose another handful of players who no longer play as all their mates have gone to the city. If these players do come back its usually when they are over 25. That's why state teams in rural centres are great imo. Players can stay at their local team knowing that if they are good enough they can play against other hopeful nrl players while staying at home. For many young players staying in a stable family environment will be huge for their devopment. How many young talented players are lost because they can't handle the move to the big smoke on their own at such a young age.
Not playing over 25y.o players will kill small bush teams, the production line you are seeking will in fact stall, many will lose a connection not only to the game but small communities will lose huge assets.

not bad.

 

[siv]

We are drifting off topic

The MoU which seems to be the big sticky point

Was issued by the ARLC with its 130% offer and perpetual licences.

The clubs then didnt sign it. Rather they modifed it and signed a modified document.

The ARLC I don't think signed the revised MoU

As the modifications made the clubs non commital

So the ARLC took the original offer off the table

Anyhting else ?

 

[Von Hipper]

That's the NRL's attitude, which is why they spent god knows how much buying touch (actually it's just so they can include touch players as participants). This is the NRL currently about to lose its chairman because he's not competent. What they don't understand is touch and tag are for people who have every opportunity to play RL already but don't want the physicality of RL. It's for RL players who don't want to play RL.

The NRL's entire junior development strategy is about getting six year olds to play RL. No six year old is playing touch or tag before playing mini league, so it makes no sense. They are all about recruiting six year olds but then do f**k all for other juniors and wonder why they all leave by 14 or 16. It's no surprise they are now telling the best players over 23 they can't play rep football anymore. Might as well tell them to f**k off altogether. Then they can play touch.

stop hijacking this discussion! Its NOT about juniors specifically.

Also, for heavens sake, once people hit 23 and they are NOT looking like they are going to be making the NRL any time soon, mate, they don't want to do pointless rep sides nonsenses - its done, its OVER! Why do you think they try out for those sides/play in them? To progress. There is no ametuer league in the world that takes things that seriously. Buddy - they drift off and do other things with their lives, go hard at uni, go hard at the first step in their career/ want for post grad stuff and things like that. They will increasingly limit their time for amateur sport through their 20's. They will eventually just do it socially, if at all.

No. You need to read. Why the f**k would I complain about money for grassroots??? What I said was the NRL is all of a sudden talking grassroots when it needs an excuse for pulling money back from the clubs. They've never shown this concern for the grassroots before. City-Country is just one recent piece of proof.

Have you ever noticed how sydney teams are trying to junior-source a national competition from their own backyard? Its pretty laughable. They are using NSWRL junior-level tech in a national-tech-required comp. And then complain about development and poaching, ect ect.


Mate, its NOT confined to states anymore. There used to be several buckets, but its transitional, so eventually there would be 1, maybe 2. It all feeds into 1 bucket eventually, the NRL. They just need one path.

As it goes from states to national, they will probably need a system that reflects that. The situation in sydney is not working regarding juniors. A few more years will be needed on this current (new) setup, and more funds.

The nrl wants the states to do it, and clubs form links with the new league. Its divulging them of costs. It won't be too much different.

No one is going to sit down with a pen/paper and explain it to you, so just work it out already.

 

[DiegoNT]

stop hijacking this discussion! Its NOT about juniors specifically.

Also, for heavens sake, once people hit 23 and they are NOT looking like they are going to be making the NRL any time soon, mate, they don't want to do pointless rep sides nonsenses - its done, its OVER! Why do you think they try out for those sides/play in them? To progress. There is no ametuer league in the world that takes things that seriously. Buddy - they drift off and do other things with their lives, go hard at uni, go hard at the first step in their career/ want for post grad stuff and things like that. They will increasingly limit their time for amateur sport through their 20's. They will eventually just do it socially, if at all.

Yea that's bullshit. I know many blokes over 25 that look to make these country rep teama

 

[Von Hipper]

Yea that's bullshit. I know many blokes over 25 that look to make these country rep teama

Good lawd. you're not getting it. They can do that - but I dont expect the NRL will be funding it. It will be more social than official.

You hard core nuts need to get over it. HERE: with me, on this board or in any social media - IS NOT the place to 'work on this'. You should have all done more in years gone by to fund this. The money is not there.

Its not a question of wanting to, or not. I would like them to as well, but big deal, they hit the end of the runway. Oh well, life goes on.

 

[Von Hipper]

Some do. But it's not keeping people in RL. It's keeping people in touch and potentially giving RL players an easy alternative to RL.

Its the same thing you deadset moron! Get with the programme, please, we're all cheering for you hoping you can....

 

[El Diablo]

GW here

 

[Von Hipper]

You post a lot of stupid shit in here, but this totally takes the cake. I don't even know where to begin with this.

Today mustn't be your day. It just stands to reason if someone starts playing a sport they will begin to watch it. I dont know where he thinks its automatic they'll play before watching.

But if you think the AFL is having zero impact you'd be wrong. The tide will turn.

We are drifting off topic

The MoU which seems to be the big sticky point

Was issued by the ARLC with its 130% offer and perpetual licences.

The clubs then didnt sign it. Rather they modifed it and signed a modified document.

The ARLC I don't think signed the revised MoU

As the modifications made the clubs non commital

So the ARLC took the original offer off the table

Anyhting else ?

I keep getting calls from news to resign to their papers, I had to brusquely tell them to shove it today, because you know a marketer just never cares about your actual wants/needs. Very disgusting, and 80% off now, they're that concerned lol. suck it.

The clubs would be in the same vein in my eyes.

I can't believe they dragged their heels on this. I literally cannot believe they are holding the whole game here to ransom over the licences and funding. Its abysmal.

Its like they cannot see the forest through the trees. People should be telling the clubs to shove it, its they who have taken nearly 2 years to sign these agreements. You expect hard ball from the NRL because they're the admin, I think the clubs have rocks in their heads, and the chairman - well many are probably still yearning for 1970 when they could walk round "like they owned the joint" with all the swagger of a hero.

Guess what? Hand out merchants don't own crap..... they lost that right in my eyes. Until such a time they can get back on track. But truth is, these clubs have always been bad for crowds, ect. And until they adopt the AFL-style of things they will continually be outpaced.

 

[BuffaloRules]

It's hip to be square...

 

[Von Hipper]

It's hip to be square...

You got that right, now make an argument out of it. Im not even trying to defeat arguments and #winning, but passive aggression is the sign of failure. These clubs need a firecraker up their butts, dude.

Remember Politis? Yeah - used car salesman basically. Bottom rung billionaire. Bart: a fly-in over-nighter...

Funny thing is - all these guys are just perpetuating the same failure-rific tactics that have hung around the game like a bad smell since forever in NSW.

Do they sit round the tables chanting "YOU are the money..... YOU!!!! ARE. THE. MONEEEEY!"

Right....now goto the leagues club to get your hand out, pal.....

Because its not coming from tickets....or sponsors? Noo.... its hand out's 24/7 and NRL grants please.

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I really do want them getting 100-110% of the cap and not much else. But 100% even better, and any liscence condition the NRL want.

I think people are over these NSW clubs and their ridiculous ideology

 

[Canard]

Can we cave GW?

 

[DiegoNT]

Today mustn't be your day. It just stands to reason if someone starts playing a sport they will begin to watch it. I dont know where he thinks its automatic they'll play before watching.

But if you think the AFL is having zero impact you'd be wrong. The tide will turn.

Yea i was replying to his completely idiotic idea that bush clubs/leagues shoulder only be for under 25 players, which would kill off bush teams, lose a valuable sourced of talented players and drive people away from the game

 

[DiegoNT]

You got that right, now make an argument out of it. Im not even trying to defeat arguments and #winning, but passive aggression is the sign of failure. These clubs need a firecraker up their butts, dude.

Remember Politis? Yeah - used car salesman basically. Bottom rung billionaire. Bart: a fly-in over-nighter...

Funny thing is - all these guys are just perpetuating the same failure-rific tactics that have hung around the game like a bad smell since forever in NSW.

Do they sit round the tables chanting "YOU are the money..... YOU!!!! ARE. THE. MONEEEEY!"

Right....now goto the leagues club to get your hand out, pal.....

Because its not coming from tickets....or sponsors? Noo.... its hand out's 24/7 and NRL grants please.

__

I really do want them getting 100-110% of the cap and not much else. But 100% even better, and any liscence condition the NRL want.

I think people are over these NSW clubs and their ridiculous ideology

Where do you think the nrl gets its money from?

And a ridiculous nsw ideology? I don't know if you've noticed, but 3 clubs from Queensland, 1 from vic, 1 from the ACT and one from New Zealand are also calling for Grant's departure and the promised %130

 

[DiegoNT]

I know the 'evil nsw clubs' get blamed for a lot of things, but wasn't the last lot of expansion down to the nswrl and the old nsw establishmet? Cowboys, warriors, reds and crushers were brought in by these old evil nsw establishment, with melbourbe and Adelaide teams on the cards? Wasn't the original plan, before super league sprung up, was for the poorer badly run sydney clubs to die natural deaths or merge? Something like 6 sydney clubs was the target? But superleague, with a lot of Queenslanders, stuffed those plans up? So when all the damage was done, half the expansion teams had gone bust and rugby league needed to hang on to every single rusted on fan it could. That's how we ended up with a 14 team comp with 9 nsw teams. So much damaged had been done that we couldn't lose all the fans from any of those 9 clubs go. In fact they ended up letting souths back in. It's from the starting point of those 14 clubs that we started to rebuild. People wanting to watch those 14 clubs led to more money into the game, mean we stayed off the union threat of the early 2000s. Those 14 clubs (now 16) is how the nrl makes the majority of its money. Yet those clubs, especially the nsw clubs are blaimed for no growth. I still haven't seen a link from any nrl club boss saying they refuse any expansion plans for the nrl. On the contrary you see a guy like Gus Gould, supposedly from this old nsw establishment' say repeatedly he'd like a 2nd Brisbane team and a perth team.

 

[POPEYE]

Mascord nailed it

 

[T-Boon]

I think the Financial Review nailed it. Grant has to go because his commitment was utter suicide for the game. The game cannot afford a cent over 100%.

 

[T-Boon]

Mascord nailed it

I like Mascord. He wants to play in quarters because of the $$$$.