NRL faces major turmoil as clubs threaten breakaway league

[DiegoNT]

All those rules to make NFL 'exciting' and it's still as boring as watching paint dry, and no one outside of america, people who haven't grown up with the game, care about it.
Soccer which hasn't barely changed a rule in 150+ years, and webs and flows between attacking teams and defensive teams dominating, jeeps getting bigger and bigger.

 

[DiegoNT]

But the comparison i make with the nfl is this, they take that money they make from the big tv deal, give it back to those franchises. When the nrl does the same you accuse them of propping up clubs

 

[T-Boon]

All those rules to make NFL 'exciting' and it's still as boring as watching paint dry, and no one outside of america, people who haven't grown up with the game, care about it.
Soccer which hasn't barely changed a rule in 150+ years, and webs and flows between attacking teams and defensive teams dominating, jeeps getting bigger and bigger.

We could/should take this to the fight club as it is way off the topic.
But sorry, there is way more play making/ action in american football than in league. That said, I love both games and I think there is a heap the administration of the NRL could learn from NFL. Things that would get us kicking AFLs arse all over the country. But we are f**king stubborn and paralysed by fear of changes especially at club level.

 

[T-Boon]

But the comparison i make with the nfl is this, they take that money they make from the big tv deal, give it back to those franchises. When the nrl does the same you accuse them of propping up clubs

The only real difference is that the NRL has responsibility for the grass roots whilst the NFL doesn't.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

We could/should take this to the fight club as it is way off the topic.
But sorry, there is way more play making/ action in american football than in league.

The ball is in play in nfl for an average of 11 minutes and the average play is 4 seconds.

 

[DiegoNT]

The ball is in play in nfl for an average of 11 minutes and the average play is 4 seconds.

Not to mention there's 40 sec gaps between plays, everything is super structered, only 1 player is skilled enough to pass, only 2 can run and only a handful can catch, and everything is structered down to the inch.
But rugby league is the unskilled boring game

 

[AlwaysGreen]

I enjoy nfl but the reason why it's a thriving sport and business isn't down to its attacking attractiveness.

There's lessons for the nrl to learn from nfl but ole t boob is barking up the wrong tree.

Again.

 

[Perth Red]

End of day, as much as I think Gould is a self opinionated self serving tool most of the time, he does have a point.
On $500mill annual revenue the NRL should be able to afford:
$200mill to clubs
$100mill to grass roots
$200mill to administer NRL and grow the game, pay for touch link up, rep payments etc and put some aside for rainy days

The ARLC should be transparent on admin costs of running RL and have a set target % of income to keep the reigns on snr management who like to throw money around like confetti.


Now if clubs should be given grants to spend as they wish is debateable given their historical inability to make ends meet so maybe the grant increase comes with strings ie 100% salary cap
Cap on football dept spending
$X has to be spent on membership and attendance growth, game day experience, fan engagement, corporate development etc?

 

[insert.pause]

I don't think its necessarily about a number, its about the fact that in rushing through a funding deal last year so Grant could escape the pressure from newscorp he screwed up and effectively aligned the interests of the games two biggest stakeholder groups, the players & the clubs. Now all future CBA's could cripple the codes finances. It's easy to look at it with a hypothetical salary cap and conclude the game can afford it, but with these license agreements being for perpetuity the ARLC will be forced to deal with an aligned lobby group of players & clubs for all future CBA negotiations, by granting this funding deal they are effectively legislating their bargaining position away. And for that Grant should be removed. I have never understood the association between what the players earn and what funding the clubs require beyond the salary cap to remain sustainable, the two are not linked in my mind. A far better funding model would be to grant both players & clubs a percentage of the games revenue, negotiated individually. Clubs could still receive millions above the cap annually but its not linked with what the players earn.

 

[Canard]

There is both co-operation between NFL and NCAA (scheduling of games like you said and also the agreement that the NFL won't push for draft eligibility straight out of high school etc).... and straight up competition.

The NFL website rule change history itself says that the main drive of rule changes in the NFL historically was to increase entertainment so as to be able to compete with the college game for fans (the college game being the birthplace and historically the stronger of the two).

Not that many american football fans are willing to give up both saturday and sunday for football. Most decide between saturday or sunday in terms of TV and attendence and thats where the competition is.

Well its not working, as its been there worst ratings season on TV in quite some time.

Are you seriously saying that the NRL doesn't have a history of making rule changes?

That's some world class trolling.

 

[T-Boon]

The ball is in play in nfl for an average of 11 minutes and the average play is 4 seconds.

I think of the tempo as being similar to cricket except there is a fair bit more going on between plays.

Ball in play for about 5 seconds, field resets taking about 30 seconds, then another 5 second play. Between plays, in that 30 odd seconds there is a lot going on. It takes maybe 10 seconds to get to the line of scrimmage, the next maybe 10 seconds is slight of hand trying to deceive the defence as to what play is going to come and the defence doing likewise, the coach is making substitutions....the game doesn't exactly stop during those 30 odd seconds.

 

[T-Boon]

I enjoy nfl but the reason why it's a thriving sport and business isn't down to its attacking attractiveness.

It sure isn't the only reason, but it is a very big reason. Possibly the main reason. The NFL certain says as much...over and over and over again.

 

[Canard]

Those field resets are scintillating viewing.

I also like to watch Tennis players change ends and tie their shoes.

 

[T-Boon]

Well its not working, as its been there worst ratings season on TV in quite some time.

Thats true, the main thing people seem to be complaining about is too many penalties. Its going to be interesting the see how the NFL address that.

Are you seriously saying that the NRL doesn't have a history of making rule changes?

Not exactly. I am saying they move too slowly. Like with doing something about the scrum (which is just stupid) and wrestling. Kind of afraid to make brave decisions.

 

[DiegoNT]

I think of the tempo as being similar to cricket except there is a fair bit more going on between plays.

An all action, high attacking, contact sport having the same tempo as cricket? You sure have me sold.

 

[BuffaloRules]

Just google 'Evolution of the NFL Rules'. That is a document published by NFL Football Operations. It is expressly stated in that.

No..just post the link you worthless gimp...

You are the one making this outlandish claim

 

[T-Boon]

Those field resets are scintillating viewing.

I also like to watch Tennis players change ends and tie their shoes.

Its not a complete waste of time as you are sarcastically insinuating. Plus, even if you have no interest in what is going on between snaps it is worth it for the 5 second explosion of action you get every 30 seconds. 300mill american can't be wrong.

 

[T-Boon]

No..just post the link you worthless gimp...

You are the one making this outlandish claim

Nah, dont google it...I don't care if you believe it or not.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

. 300mill american can't be wrong.

You're getting closer.

 

[BuffaloRules]

End of day, as much as I think Gould is a self opinionated self serving tool most of the time, he does have a point.
On $500mill annual revenue the NRL should be able to afford:
$200mill to clubs
$100mill to grass roots
$200mill to administer NRL and grow the game, pay for touch link up, rep payments etc and put some aside for rainy days

The ARLC should be transparent on admin costs of running RL and have a set target % of income to keep the reigns on snr management who like to throw money around like confetti.

Wow... the penny just dropped all of a sudden?