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NRL faces major turmoil as clubs threaten breakaway league

Perth Red

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$100 mill increase. Here's what they said last December.

From 2018, the deal will deliver more than $100 million extra per year to the 16 clubs until 2022 and around $100 million more will be invested to grow the game from the grassroots to the elite competitions each year.

http://www.nrl.com/nrl-club-funding-agreement/tabid/10874/newsid/91081/default.aspx


On the plus side
the game has avoided civil war
Grant has kep his job
Clubs should now not be financially fcked
Gould will stop whinging (maybe)
 

siv

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No detail from NRL.com or on club websites about the 130%

The News Ltd article looks like it was written before any announcement and rushed out the door to meet a deadline and avoids specifics

SMH article feels more concrete about the 130%

Has anyone clibs or NRL confirmed it yet ? I suspect its not locked in as a %

But a agreed progressive grant increase from $7 mil to $14 mil over 5 years. In reality that is all the NRL can commit to before the RLPA agreement

Maybe with a early jump to accommodate increasing the playing roster from Top 25 to 36

About 6 player increase or $480k impact

But this is offset by the reduction in U20 $300k player costs in 2018
 

Perth Red

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Dirty job but someone's got to do it. Besides you'd have nothing to post if it wasn't for whinging about me whinging lol
 

Perth Red

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Going to be interesting the next stoush rlpa v nrl

You'd expect they will be going hard for the $10mill cap after seeing the nrl cave in to clubs. I suspect the nrl will push hard for an incremental increase up to $10mill by 2020ish
 

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I see News is hammering the "three months of embarrassment for the game" angle.

Has this issue had any real cut through with the general fandom? I don't really think it has.

Just like when the players union fights for more money, the hardcore fans have something to talk about, the media have some news print.

The larger masses don't give a shit & will tune in as always come kick off for the 9s

But news ltd can't help but run the code in crisis bullshit.
 

BuffaloRules

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$100 mill increase. Here's what they said last December.

From 2018, the deal will deliver more than $100 million extra per year to the 16 clubs until 2022 and around $100 million more will be invested to grow the game from the grassroots to the elite competitions each year.

http://www.nrl.com/nrl-club-funding-agreement/tabid/10874/newsid/91081/default.aspx

Depends on how you read it...

It clear for the clubs that they get $100 Million EXTRA, but they don't say extra for the growing the game but say "more" ie in addition to what they have given the clubs...
 
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I see News is hammering the "three months of embarrassment for the game" angle.

Has this issue had any real cut through with the general fandom? I don't really think it has.


You are quite right…it hasn’t cut through.

I love how only a few short weeks ago News Ltd had us in for 12 months of turmoil to now it’s 3 months of embarrassment. What next Rupes….the ARLC cancelling Christmas by Friday ?

These are just a sample of the rubbish dished out only last month by News rags. No wonder only simpletons are buying into it:
  • Rugby league is facing 12 months of unprecedented turmoil to rival the Super League days
  • Extraordinary threats of a rebel breakaway group
  • possible State of Origin strike action
  • a secret NRL plan to force clubs to contribute to bail out struggling rivals
  • the NRL is saying it is now the responsibility of the clubs to save themselves

We should never forget this:

“We’ve always believed this (AFL) is the premium code in Australia – it’s the national game,” Murdoch told reporters on Tuesday. “We believe in the strength of the game and we will do everything we can to make it stronger.
Rupert Murdoch
http://www.theroar.com.au/2015/08/1...he-premium-code-in-australia-in-swipe-at-nrl/
 

taipan

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Clearly they had a plan for grass roots that was going to require an extra $100mill, I suspect a big chunk was going to the revamped second tier comps. That $100mill increase has been reduced to around $20mill. So what happens to the plan?

Glad you're pleased they have stripped $80mill a year out of the grass roots development plan, you'd go well at nrlhq.

Listen whinger.The final figures have not been announced.All I know is the current 16 NRL clubs should be able to be viable football clubs.With their salary cap covered and the % over and above.

What the contra figure in the Tv deal, I am still awaiting figures.There will be a sinking fund, that is provided by all the clubs, to ensure any club who gets into trouble has financial support.

We don't even know what the Sky TV deal ended up being.

Most NRL clubs anyway provide money for their juniors .Whatever the final NRL figure is in addition.
You may "suspect" or guess that's your prerogative.

This coming from the same economic genius ,who guesstimates NRL figures to justify expansion for his club.Yet has little idea of the contras involved in the Tv deal or what the Sky TV deal was.Makes assumptions as being facts.Ignores the financial issues confronting his state.

Steer clear of running school tuck shops or lemonade stands in your front yard.You'd shortchange the kiddies.You'd boo Santa .
 

siv

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Interesting later News Ltd and SMH articles have both bacpeddled quickly on the specifics

We have Greenburg stating Grant won't be leaving and doesnt seem to have conditions attached
 

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http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...power-in-battle-for-arlc-20161221-gtfvgh.html

Why Queensland hold the balance of power in battle for ARLC
As recent rugby league history demonstrates, God is a Queenslander. While the Maroons have dominated the State of Origin series this past decade, Brisbane-based John Grant has ruled off field for half this period as chairman of the autocratic ARLC.

At Tuesday's crisis meeting of the NRL's 16 clubs, the NSWRL and the ARLC, only one organisation was absent – the QRL.

Grant is their representative. When QRL chairman Peter Betros declared a month ago at a meeting of the Queensland Former Origin Greats that he supported the NRL clubs in their demand for a 130 per cent of the salary cap annual grant, he was swiftly disciplined by his board. Betros was soon being quoted supporting Grant.

The QRL is effectively controlled by former Queensland Treasurer Terry Mackenroth and Brisbane businessman Bruce Hatcher who played pivotal roles in setting up the ARLC. Grant was their nominee.

Tuesday's decision to honour the undertaking, made 12 months ago, to award clubs 130 per cent of the salary cap merely gave Grant a stay of execution.

The vote to oust Grant was adjourned until March 1 when the club chairmen will meet again.

There are too many volatile ongoing issues for Grant to survive until – as reported – March 2018, when all the accounts for a hopefully successful November/December 2017 World Cup are finalised.

The constitutional review to be undertaken by AOC chair John Coates must be in the hands of clubs by February 28 next year, the day before the adjourned vote.

The QRL hold a veto over constitutional change. The clubs can oust Grant but the QRL will not surrender power.

An intriguing analogy lies with the Tony Abbott / Coalition Conservative rump relationship.

When Abbott, as prime minister, survived a spill by his parliamentary colleagues, he promised to be more consultative, akin to Grant admitting he had erred in his approach to the clubs, before finally agreeing to their demand.

But Abbott didn't survive the next parliamentary vote and while Malcolm Turnbull succeeded him, many see the Coalition's Conservative rump as still in charge of the nation.

(OK, Mackenroth was a Labor Treasurer, as was his successor, Andrew Fraser, the NRL's Head of Strategy, while Cory Bernardi's men are Libs ... but they're all politicians).

Another contingency on any peaceful outcome on March 1 is the issue of a cap on football department spending.

NRL clubs broadly agree they are in an arms race to see who can build the most expensive Centre of Excellence, or install the most cameras at training, or hire the most assistant coaches. They concede a brake must be imposed on spending but reject the NRL's proposal of a punitive approach, akin to the AFL's tax on clubs who spend above an agreed ceiling.

Some clubs, like the Panthers, Broncos and Storm, run first class development programs and argue this outlay should not be included in football department spending.

Furthermore, the clubs argue they have already surrendered enough.

The 130 per cent deal they accepted is different to the one tabled 12 months ago.

They will lose over $5 million each in promised cash and must also contribute to a sinking fund to assist distressed clubs. They will be required to pay a premium to bail each other out when in financial difficulties.

Nor are the clubs being unrealistic in their demands to have a greater role in the choice of commissioners.

As it stands, the commissioners elect each other, despite none, other than former Kangaroos Wayne Pearce and Grant, having any experience at the coal face of rugby league.

While it has been reported the clubs and two state leagues demand representatives on the eight person commission, they may settle for simply being asked to endorse a nominee, as is the practice in the AFL.

After all, there are some smart men as club chairs and they recognise the importance of independence.

Grant has survived for now but he is an exhausted man. Even those bitterly opposed to his managerial style felt sorry for him Tuesday, while admitting he performed well under brutal pressure.

He may walk but then, he might be pushed from within.

His most obvious successor, CSR boss Jeremy Sutcliffe, talked about quitting on Tuesday, possibly frustrated at how the negotiations with clubs had proceeded.

Grant's chosen chief executive, Todd Greenberg, has not been enthusiastic in his support of his chairman, and has been linked to Sutcliffe.

While Grant was blamed for the many frustrating delays in reaching Tuesday's agreement, it was Greenberg's staff who were tardy in presenting the documentation.

The QRL have said they are in support of broad constitutional reform but they will want to install a Queenslander as Grant's replacement, should he be voted out on March 1.

Just being a Queenslander, as God knows, overcomes a multitude of sins.
 
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BuffaloRules

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I think I would rather read every tortured thought/ musing that Von Hipster/ Poor Boy Blues ever came up with at 3am and after 34 edits rather than read poor old Roy's ramblings...
 

Cumberland Throw

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Sorry I really like Roy, he is unlike every other RL journo... an ex coach...but comes from a family of quality journalists..

You can tell even at like 70 he puts a lot of research into articles...

Doesnt rush to just put shit on twitter like most of the other half wits..
 

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I dont know why everyone thinks 130% of the cap in NRL grants will stop clubs getting themselves into trouble.

Like you, me and everyone else on the planet, they'll manage to spend all of what they earn. They'll find shiny things to buy, invest in etc.

So if the cap is $10m they'll get 13. Woot. So that might pay for the coaches, if you're lucky. AFL clubs limit themselves before luxury tax to 9.5 - 10m on spending above the cap for footy ops. Expecting 3 to cover anything is fanciful.

It'll help. But like everyone else footy clubs will spend to match or exceed their income.
 

BlueandGold

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I dont know why everyone thinks 130% of the cap in NRL grants will stop clubs getting themselves into trouble.

Like you, me and everyone else on the planet, they'll manage to spend all of what they earn. They'll find shiny things to buy, invest in etc.

So if the cap is $10m they'll get 13. Woot. So that might pay for the coaches, if you're lucky. AFL clubs limit themselves before luxury tax to 9.5 - 10m on spending above the cap for footy ops. Expecting 3 to cover anything is fanciful.

It'll help. But like everyone else footy clubs will spend to match or exceed their income.

Part of the new Peace deal is the clubs have a Football department cap. They cannot spend all the money on coaches and trainers and expensive trips.

Newcastle and Titans will break even with this 3million in extra funding.

Parra, Dogs, Broncos, Roosters, Panthers, Souths, Storm will spend more of there own money like they always have, it is there own money they can spend it how they like.
 

siv

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Wonder what the logic is behind Roys comment about the clubs losing out on $5 mil each

We already know that the $1.5 mil advance over two years was a loan if the clubs chose to take it

And in fact comes out of the 2018-21 proposed grants to address issues occured at certain clubs

Not extra to the $7 mil grant in 2017
 

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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...t/news-story/97676d56217df4a4d8b3c8f86b41d1af

I want to work closer with clubs, says John Grant


  • The Australian
  • 12:00AM December 22, 2016
It was the month from hell but if ARL Commission chairman John Grant’s near-death experience taught him anything it was the need for the game’s administrators to treat the 16 NRL clubs better.

The clubs almost lopped off Grant’s head after he initially reneged on a funding deal. But Grant has had something of an epiphany since Tuesday’s compromise deal was reached.

“I am keen to see the culture change so that we work closer with the clubs going forward,” Grant told The Australian yesterday, just 24 hours after surviving the move against him.

“I want to see the NRL move from simply governing the clubs, to servicing the clubs, and helping them to become stronger.

“This isn’t to say we aren’t the ones who make and administer the rules. But going forward I hope we can do this as equals.”

The message could equally apply to NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg as both he and Grant were the ones to front the clubs four weeks ago and tell them the promised deal was off the table. A month later and the original funding mechanism for the five-year life of the looming $1.8 billion broadcast deal (2018-2022), which was 130 per cent of the salary cap, has been reinstated.

This new era of co-operation has come at some cost to the clubs. From 2018, the clubs will have to contribute $187,500 each per year towards a “club in distress” or sinking fund, which will have $15m in it by the end of 2022.

In the spirit of equalisation, the 16 clubs have also agreed to having their football operation spending capped. But Grant is determined that there will be money left over by the time the next broadcast deal is done. He wants $80m in a sustainability fund by 2022.

“So it is a great outcome for the game. Has it been a tough month? It sure has. But it has been worth it to achieve this outcome,” he said.

Grant’s good name and business acumen was dragged through the mud, but he holds no animosity after taking the brunt of the hits from club chairmen.

“Certainly I am personally relieved, but mainly for the future of the game,” he said yesterday.

“This was never about me. It was about coming up with a package which really sets the game up for the future. And this is a game changer. The clubs really will have the funding to secure their long-term future.

“We have a portion of the money going into a sinking fund to support clubs which need help in the future. And we have a commitment from the clubs to cap football department expenditure and end the arms race that ultimately costs all of us too much money.

“Grassroots gets substantially more money also, but the real opportunity is to rework the way we do this across clubs, the state bodies and the NRL so that it is more effective and efficient.

“At the moment we’re crossing over each other in some regions and just not present in others.”

Club chairs on Tuesday said they felt confident about Grant remaining at the helm of the ARLC, although it’s been agreed he will step down when his second three-year term ends in February 2018.

Yesterday he said he looked forward to a better level of understanding with clubs.

“I think this is the other area of great promise this arrangement brings. The clubs, the states and the NRL are joined at the hip whether we like it or not.

“ So we must work together to get things done,” Grant said. “I don’t think it does the game any good when we have a public dispute over issues such as funding.

“I’m a firm believer that what doesn’t kill us makes us stronger and in this case I think that’s what is now open to us.

“So yes I believe we all have a better understanding of each other now and an opportunity to rebuild trust to form the sort of bond that’s needed for this game to be as successful as we all want it to be.”
 

siv

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So details starting to emerge

$187,500 per club to fund sinking fund which goes from club grants

ARLC chairman will need to appointed in Feb 2018 after Grants 2nd 3 year term concludes. Doesn't mean he is sacked

We have Coates to hand down his proposed ARLC constitution revamp on Feb 28
 

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