NRL officially docks 2 points over Bulldogs 14 players

[Dogs Of War]

Given previous the Broncos precedent, this is an absolutely ludicrous punishment. The NRL are basically saying we deliberately flouted the rules, which is absolutely ludicrous.

The Broncos were also stripped 2 points in the initial charge by the NRL. It was only when the breach notice was contested that they got them back. And the Broncos one is the most similar to the Dogs one, in that the player who came onto the field was involved in the winning play within seconds of coming on. I outlined earlier, that the only time the points were taken away (Cowboys), was when BOTH players were on the field involved in the play.

I don't think the Dogs will lose there points. Rather a fine will result instead.

 

[Y2Eel]

I'll quote it for your benefit:

Actually here is a better quote...

However, it showed clearly that when Michael Ennis was on the ground with an injury, Ryan (having previously left the field) re-entered from the 'far' touchline and rejoined play without abiding by the interchange process and with Ennis still being treated.

Ryan took a position in the attacking line during the try-scoring play with Ennis still on the field and with the Bulldogs therefore having 14 men.

If he ran back on and wasnt legally ment to be on and the doggies scored the panthers should be spewing the dogs cheated basically to score the last try...

 

[Timmah]

I can't see how the NRL can justify stripping points. Simple as that. Heavy fine for the club due to the stupidity of (it sounds like) the trainer and/or Ryan, but stripping points is an absolute joke.

 

[Game_Breaker]

This is similar to the Broncos 14 player incident

 

[Non Terminator]

Pretty much GB, which is why I initially thought Bulldogs would be fine. If they get stripped, it's a joke.

 

[Timmah]

Actually here is a better quote...




If he ran back on and wasnt legally ment to be on and the doggies scored the panthers should be spewing the dogs cheated basically to score the last try...

In what way do you reckon that? Penrith should be spewing about a player not even involved in the play? :lol: The actual breach described here would've had no effect on Penrith's ability to defend against our attack.

 

[God-King Dean]

To clarify...

Were 14 players on the field when he scored the try ?

 

[Tommy Anderson]

Given previous the Broncos precedent, this is an absolutely ludicrous punishment. The NRL are basically saying we deliberately flouted the rules, which is absolutely ludicrous.

Not deliberate but your trainer called andrew Ryan to come back on after he had been substituted without going through the correct procedure.
By your reasoning whenever a team has a player down in back play they can just send on the reserves as they like.

 

[Tommy Anderson]

In what way do you reckon that? Penrith should be spewing about a player not even involved in the play? :lol: The actual breach described here would've had no effect on Penrith's ability to defend against our attack.

Andrew Ryan was illegally on the field.
Players down in back play is part of the game and the Dogs shouldve continued on with 12.
They will have absolutely no grounds to appeal this one.

 

[bartman]

I can't see how the NRL can justify stripping points. Simple as that. Heavy fine for the club due to the stupidity of (it sounds like) the trainer and/or Ryan, but stripping points is an absolute joke.

Um, if the match winning try occurred while a breach was occurring, then that's all the justification anyone needs to deduct the points. :?

Play by the rules or don't play...

 

[bartman]

I'm not sure the NRL is too big on "precedents" that happen years apart, to be honest.

Not lately anyway ;-)

 

[Dogs Of War]

Not deliberate but your trainer called andrew Ryan to come back on after he had been substituted without going through the correct procedure.
By your reasoning whenever a team has a player down in back play they can just send on the reserves as they like.

Yep, I thought it was the Roberts-Ryan interchange, which I had no problems with. But this situation is different and will result in a loss of points.

 

[God-King Dean]

I just re-read it through this thread.

If they had 14 players in the attacking line, then Dogs shouldn't even bother appealing this.

 

[Timmah]

Um, if the match winning try occurred while a breach was occurring, then that's all the justification anyone needs to deduct the points. :?

Play by the rules or don't play...

Andrew Ryan was illegally on the field.
Players down in back play is part of the game and the Dogs shouldve continued on with 12.
They will have absolutely no grounds to appeal this one.

They're not appealing the facts, they're appealing the severity. Ryan did not become involved in the play during the time the breach occured. For that reason, I think 2 competition points is certainly an extreme punishment.

 

[Tommy Anderson]

Timmah you have just proven yourself wrong.
Andrew Ryan re entered the field without handing a card to the official and without Ennis leaving.
FFS get your blue and white glasses off and realise your trainer stuffed up and you will lose 2 points.
The measures put in place after the Brisbane example are the procedures your team did not follow

 

[Timmah]

I just re-read it through this thread.

If they had 14 players in the attacking line, then Dogs shouldn't even bother appealing this.

Define attacking line. I didn't see Andrew Ryan anywhere near the play.

 

[Timmah]

Timmah you have just proven yourself wrong.
Andrew Ryan re entered the field without handing a card to the official and without Ennis leaving.
FFS get your blue and white glasses off and realise your trainer stuffed up and you will lose 2 points.
The measures put in place after the Brisbane example are the procedures your team did not follow

I now realise that. The CLUB will contest the SEVERITY of the punishment.

 

[Dogs Of War]

They're not appealing the facts, they're appealing the severity. Ryan did not become involved in the play during the time the breach occured. For that reason, I think 2 competition points is certainly an extreme punishment.

The Cowboys player didn't either. He just stood in the backline. The defence shouldn't have to contend with a player that should NOT be there. Who knows, the defence may have slid to mark up on Roberts better if Ryan wasn't there.

I am already over it. 2 points lost because we were silly. Lucky for us it's the start of the season, and we just have to work a little harder to regain them down the track.

 

[bartman]

For that reason, I think 2 competition points is certainly an extreme punishment.

I think it's fair. *shrugs*

 

[Tommy Anderson]

Attacking line meaning he was an extra player close enough to possibly have the ball come his way meaning the defence would number up differently then they otherwise might