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NRL officially docks 2 points over Bulldogs 14 players

Y2Eel

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They're not appealing the facts, they're appealing the severity. Ryan did not become involved in the play during the time the breach occured. For that reason, I think 2 competition points is certainly an extreme punishment.


If ryan got into the attacking line then they shouldnt have a case...
 

Gaba

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They reckon the dogs have no case for appeal, the evidence is clear cut against them
 

Caged Panther

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Penrith should be spewing about a player not even involved in the play? :lol: The actual breach described here would've had no effect on Penrith's ability to defend against our attack.

Yes it would have. If Ryan hadn't been called back onto the field than the bulldogs would have only had 12 in the line and potentially might not have scored.
 

Timmah

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Yes it would have. If Ryan hadn't been called back onto the field than the bulldogs would have only had 12 in the line and potentially might not have scored.

Looking at the specific passage of play, the breach occured around the time Stagg made his run forward to the 10m line. From the play the ball after he was tackled, the ball was spread left to the corner where Roberts scored. Andrew Ryan was all the way on the right hand side of the field, nowhere near the play the ball.

Admittedly I haven't seen the eagle-eye footage but the footage I've seen so far sees Ryan nowhere near the play until well after the try is scored by my reckoning...

Regardless, the trainer's a goose and we deserve a fine. I still believe stripping comp points is a severe and extreme punishment.
 

Caged Panther

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Looking at the specific passage of play, the breach occured around the time Stagg made his run forward to the 10m line. From the play the ball after he was tackled, the ball was spread left to the corner where Roberts scored. Andrew Ryan was all the way on the right hand side of the field, nowhere near the play the ball.

Admittedly I haven't seen the eagle-eye footage but the footage I've seen so far sees Ryan nowhere near the play until well after the try is scored by my reckoning...

Regardless, the trainer's a goose and we deserve a fine. I still believe stripping comp points is a severe and extreme punishment.

The mere presence of Ryan in the attacking line potentially draws a penrith player away from where he might have otherwise been, perhaps exactly where the hole was that roberts ran through, whether the ball was near him or not is irrelevant.
 

Timmah

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Witty, the asterisk will only appear next Monday (5 business days away) if our appeal is unsuccessful.
 

ByRd

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I acknowledge that it is our stuff up and if we are to lose the points then we cant blame anyone but ourselves, simple as that.
 

fourplay

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Seeing as Ennis was injured in back play and Ryan didn't get involved the 2 points being stripped is a joke and way too severe. A heavy fine sure but the points?
 
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Dogs Of War

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The cowboys situation...

http://www.thewest.com.au/aapstory.aspx?StoryName=394571

Faiumu happy Cowboys didn't lose points

25th June 2007, 17:00 WST

North Queensland hooker David Faiumu was relieved not to have cost his side two competition points after the club was instead slapped with a $25,000 fine from the NRL for an interchange breach.The Cowboys had 14 players on the field for about 20 seconds during the 60th minute of their 28-24 win over Canberra on Saturday after Faiumu came on to replace Justin Smith.
North Queensland were leading 22-20 and in possession of the ball at the time 14 players were on the field for three tackles.
Smith was dragged from the field by a trainer after the Cowboys realised their mistake.
NRL chief operating officer Graham Annesley said the Cowboys would have lost points had either player been involved in the play or if they were defending with 14 players.
Faiumu told AAP it was an innocent mishap he was "shocked" to be involved in and was relieved the club had not lost the two points for victory.
"It would have been pretty shattering if we lost those two points," said Faiumu.
"We worked very hard for it and to lose those would have been pretty awful for the club.
"It was just a mix up I suppose. I don't want to speak too much on it.
"It was a bit of a mishap but I'm glad we keep the two points and only copped a fine.
"Guilty is probably not the word, but I was shocked that it was me involved at the time. It could have been anybody else but it just happened to be when I was getting subbed on.
"It's not like we scored a try off it or anything like that or made an advantage out of it."
Cowboys chief executive Peter Parr said the club would accept the NRL's decision to fine them, although he couldn't hide his disappointment at the punishment.
"Whilst $25,000 for 20 seconds is pretty hefty, we have to acknowledge the part we played in that and as a result we have to accept the fine," he told reporters.
Annesley said the Cowboys narrowly escaped losing their competition points because of a range of "mitigating circumstances", including a mistake by the sideline official to accept the interchange card from Faiumu before a player had left the field of play.
"There were some mitigating factors that we considered," said Annesley.
"One was that the players concerned didn't take any part in the game.
"The fact the Cowboys were attacking rather than defending, it was not as if they had 14 players in the defensive line.
"The fact the interchange official took the card off the player and he went on because he was of the belief there were only 12 players on the field.
"All of those things together saved them from losing competition points.
"But they were extremely fortunate because had the circumstances been any different and the players taken any part of the game or had they been defending with 14 players in all likelihood they would have lost competition points."
The NRL issued a warning to both clubs and sideline officials about the expectations surrounding interchange rules, reminding clubs the responsibility ultimately lies on their shoulders to ensure they field only 13 men.
"Clubs must remain vigilant in ensuring the guidelines are strictly adhered to at all times," said Annesley.
"This incident should place all clubs on notice that we will not permit breaches in this area of the game to go unpunished.
"Clubs should not think that having 14 players on the field will only result in a fine because if the circumstances warrant it, competition points are definitely at stake."
Meanwhile the Bulldogs are confused as to why Manly captain Matt Orford wasn't charged with striking Kane Cleal for throwing a punch many consider to be an attempted king hit.
Orford ran a couple of metres to punch Cleal after copping a late high tackle, the Dogs claiming he attacked Cleal from behind.
Now that is similar our case, as Ryan didn't actually get involved in the play. Whether it's exactly the same remains to be seen, but using this and the Broncos case together (where they argued losing points impacts other areas of there business model), could mean we get away with a fine as well.
 

ibeme

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The mere presence of Ryan in the attacking line potentially draws a penrith player away from where he might have otherwise been, perhaps exactly where the hole was that roberts ran through, whether the ball was near him or not is irrelevant.

Your CEO disagrees:

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,,25230635-23214,00.html

Regardless of the outcome the Panthers, who were leading the game before the Bulldogs scored with 14 men on the field, will not get awarded the victory or competition points.
Panthers chief executive Michael Leary said the club would accept that decision.

"I just think at that time of the game, I don't think it had any bearing on the result," Leary said.

"We'll just take it as it is.
 

Timmah

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:lol::lol: Whats the ladder look like now Timmah! suck it bitch

By the way... what will the ladder look like? Answer (if our appeal fails):

4. Bulldogs
...
10. Parramatta

Doesn't change a lot, our F/A is still superior to all bar two teams on two points.
 

kkingston

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The panthers line would have been able to all move over and cover the gap where the try was scored. the panthers were short of number which wouldnt have been the case if he hadnt of come on the field. imo they have no grounds to appeal
 

Y2Eel

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By the way... what will the ladder look like? Answer (if our appeal fails):

4. Bulldogs
...
10. Parramatta

Doesn't change a lot, our F/A is still superior to all bar two teams on two points.

Geez Timmah Gotta love the old March Premiers..
 
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