NRL officially docks 2 points over Bulldogs 14 players

[kkingston]

By the way do the points for the try get taken off the for and against?

 

[Caged Panther]

Your CEO disagrees:

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,,25230635-23214,00.html

That's nice, I'm not necessarily blaming our loss on that we should have wrapped the game up when we had the opportunity, but doesn't change the fact that the bulldogs crossed the line when they otherwise might not have had ryan not been called back on to the field. Given that it was ultimately that try that won them the game the stripping of the competition points seems reasonable.

 

[Timmah]

:lol: no.

Why do people ask these questions? The only change to any results anywhere is the competition ladder.

 

[Ziggy the God]

They just showed it on Fox, and they had 14 on the field when they scored.

Everything else is irrelevant, I can't see them getting the points back.

 

[gong_eagle]

foxsports just showed the 13 players on the field with Michael Innes down injured in backplay

the 14th player was Andrew Ryan who was replaced by Roberts
Ryan went back onto the field

 

[mxlegend99]

I can't imagine that the Doggies can get those 2 points back given the circumstances in which they happened. The match winning try was scored by Ben Roberts, but the bloke he was replacing was on the field in an active role at the time he scored the try.

 

[myanonymoususername]

I think the only reason the Broncos got off with only a fine was that there was some question about the sideline official's role in the stuffup, and there had been some grey areas in how interchanges were handled at the time.

I believe these were all cleared up as a result and the excuses the Broncos used don't exist in this case.

 

[Eels Dude]

I'd need to see the footage to comment properly, but really, it doesn't sound like it's that big a deal from what's described. A hefty fine would be a fair outcome, but stripping the 2 points is an over-reaction. And I hate the Bulldogs more than anyone in the world so for me to defend them says something. Hopefully common sense prevails and they can keep their points. The Broncos got off for worse a couple of years ago. We played the Cowboys in 2000 I think and it took forever for them to strip their points even though they defended their line for 3 minutes towards the end of the game with 14 players.

 

[Bumble]

If the Bulldogs are to lose the points, Penrith should get them.

I'd be pissed if I was a Panthers fan

 

[Timmah]

Rubbish! When has the losing team ever been awarded the stripped points? :?

 

[Game_Breaker]

If the Bulldogs are to lose the points, Penrith should get them.

I'd be pissed if I was a Panthers fan

Why?

The 14th player didnt have much impact.

I agree the panthers should be pissed, but not because of this, more to do with the amount of ball they had in our 20 and their crappy attack didnt take advantage

 

[Fibroman]

I reckon they should be punted out of the NRL for this abvious deliberate attempt to bend the rules.

 

[Bluebags1908]

In the Broncos case, the illegal player (Corey Parker) actually scored the try. So if the Broncos were not stripped of their points then why wouldn't the Bulldogs be left off?

The fact that Michael Ennis was injured in the backplay I would let them off.

Just out of interest - was Ben Roberts replacing Andrew Ryan the Bulldogs 10th and last interchange? If Andrew Ryan went straight back on to replace the injured Michael Ennis would that then make it an illegal 11th interchange?

If Andrew Ryan going back on makes it their 11th interchange (whilst the winning try was scored) this might be the reason why the Bulldogs might lose their points.

 

[Tommy Anderson]

Dogs stripped of points and Warriors take over competition lead.
What year is this?? I am sure I have seen that before lol

 

[Tommy Anderson]

In the Broncos case, the illegal player (Corey Parker) actually scored the try. So if the Broncos were not stripped of their points then why wouldn't the Bulldogs be left off?

The fact that Michael Ennis was injured in the backplay I would let them off.

Just out of interest - was Ben Roberts replacing Andrew Ryan the Bulldogs 10th and last interchange? If Andrew Ryan went straight back on to replace the injured Michael Ennis would that then make it an illegal 11th interchange?

If Andrew Ryan going back on makes it their 11th interchange (whilst the winnign try was scored) this might be the reason why the Bulldogs might lose their points.

Makes sense.

 

[Timmah]

Wondering why there wasn't a penalty for Civ's late shot on Ennis after seeing that footage...

 

[Cockadoodledoo]

I think the only reason the Broncos got off with only a fine was that there was some question about the sideline official's role in the stuffup, and there had been some grey areas in how interchanges were handled at the time.

I believe these were all cleared up as a result and the excuses the Broncos used don't exist in this case.

A bit similar to the grey area sorrounding Brisbane Bronco's players getting drunk and bringing the game into disrepute like Lockyer, Hunt, Thaiday and Boyd but being able to play the following week and Webcke testing positive to a steroid masking agent and being swept under the table.. Or Gorden Tallis punching Ben Ross in the head half a dozen times and not being suspended.. A lot of grey areas up in Brisbane. :sarcasm:

 

[Y2Eel]

Remember the Broncos case??





Well, Ennis was injured and he was hit illegally as well

Proof is here, around the 8 second mark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJP9afxg0Pc

Looks like there are similarities with the Broncos case
http://www.thefanatics.com/sports.news.view.php?id=69993

It was also 5 years ago alot has changed with how the interchange officials work things on the sideline.. If Ryan ran on without letting the official know then you will get pinged...

 

[Game_Breaker]

But....

Broncos' Points Decision Expected Today

Posted Mon May 17, 2004 7:44am Aest

The National Rugby League (nrl) Appeals Board Is Set To Announce Today Whether The Brisbane Broncos Will Be Given Back Two Premiership Points It Had Deducted.
The Broncos Were Penalised For Briefly Having 14 Men On The Field During Their Nrl Game Against Wests Tigers On March 28.
A Concussed Shane Webcke Was Being Assisted From The Field After An Illegal Tackle When Corey Parker Entered The Field.
Parker Scored During The Next Movement, The Try All But Sealing Victory For Brisbane.
The Nrl Has Said An Interchange Official Three Times Instructed Parker Not To Enter The Field And That While Parker Obeyed The Instruction The First Two Times, The Third Time He Entered The Field Without Permission.
At Issue Is Not That Fact That Webcke And Parker "crossed" During The Interchange - A Circumstance Which Occurs Several Times A Week - But The Contention That Parker Disobeyed The Official.
Condemnation Amongst Rugby League Pundits Of The Decision To Strip Brisbane Of The Competition Points It Won On That Weekend Has Been Widespread.
Commentators Feel The Punishment Is Out Of Proportion With The Crime, While The Nrl Argues It Set A Precedent By Stripping The North Queensland Cowboys For Having 14 Players On The Field At Once In The Past.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2004/05/17/1109446.htm

 

[El Diablo]

http://www.leaguehq.com.au/news/news/bulldogs-set-to-lose-two-points/2009/03/23/1237656844420.html

Bulldogs to fight loss of victory points

Brad Walter | March 24, 2009

BULLDOGS captain Andrew Ryan inadvertently cost the club two premiership points from Saturday's last-gasp win over Penrith when he illegally returned to the field after being interchanged.

Ryan was recalled to the field by trainer Tony Ayoub due to concerns about injured hooker Michael Ennis. The NRL last night stripped the Bulldogs of the points after discovering that they had 14 men on the field when five-eighth Ben Roberts scored the matchwinning try in the 78th minute. While not as significant as the 37 points the club was docked after being found guilty of cheating the salary cap in 2002, Bulldogs chief executive Todd Greenberg last night said he felt the penalty was harsh and indicated an appeal was likely.

The decision to deduct the two points from the Bulldogs came after an all-day investigation by NRL officials into allegations first raised at the end of the Fox Sports coverage.

Initially, it was believed the problem occurred when Roberts came on to replace Ryan four tackles before the try that equalised the scores at 26-all before Hazem El Masri's sideline conversion sealed the win. But the Bulldogs appeared to be in the clear after footage checked on Sunday by Fox Sports showed that the interchange took place correctly.

After studying the match video more closely yesterday, NRL officials discovered that Ryan had returned to the field one tackle later when Ennis went down in back play.

"When the media first raised this matter, the speculation was around the Roberts-Ryan interchange," said NRL chief operating officer Graham Annesley.

"This always appeared to be conducted properly but we could not confirm that until we received extra vision. In the process, however, it became clear that after Andrew Ryan left the field on the far side and was walking away from the play, he then appeared to be called back on by a trainer.

"There are clearly 14 men on the field when the try is scored."

Ayoub declined to comment when contacted last night as he had not discussed the issue with club management. Greenberg said he was unsure how the error occurred but Annesley said Ryan re-entered from the far touchline and rejoined play without abiding by the interchange process and with Ennis still being treated by Ayoub.

The Bulldogs have five business days to enter submissions in relation to the breach notice before the penalty is confirmed. But any appeal appears to have little chance of succeeding as Ryan took a position in the attacking line during the try-scoring play with Ennis still on the field and with the Bulldogs therefore having 14 men.

The Bulldogs acknowledged the interchange error but said they would contest the severity of the breach notice. "We've viewed the footage with the NRL and accept that we had 14 players on the field for a short period of time. We are now considering our ability to appeal the decision to deduct the Bulldogs of two competition points," Greenberg said. "The loss of points is an extreme punishment."

Bulldogs coach Kevin Moore said: "We're undefeated. The players are disappointed but all we can do is get on with our preparations for this weekend".

Regardless of the outcome of any appeal, Penrith will not be awarded the competition points. "It doesn't make any difference to us," Panthers chief executive Mick Leary said.

HOW IT UNFOLDED

� Bulldogs five-eighth Ben Roberts replaces Andrew Ryan in the 78th minute.

� One tackle later, hooker Michael Ennis goes down injured in backplay.

� Trainer Tony Ayoub calls Ryan back on to the field.

� Roberts scores on the next tackle with Ryan in the attacking line and Ennis still on the field.