NRL rebellion: Rugby league clubs want CEO Dave Smith gone or threaten to leave comp

[adamkungl]

Admin being too cowardly to expand has nothing to do with current clubs, despite what they claim.

Clubs will always push their finances as far as possible, no matter how much they make. Because if you don't, chances are you won't compete.

There will always be some clubs thriving, and some clubs scraping by. It ebbs and flows. It's rarely the same clubs 10,5 or even 2 years later.

A grand total of 1 non-Sydney club can be deemed a larger success in terms of support than the average Sydney club. Brisbane. And you can easily argue that they are underperforming considering their advantages.

Most clubs will never be pro-Expansion. Expanding by 2 means nothing for any other club's bottom line despite their cries, but it does mean a slightly less chance of winning a comp, all things even.

The reason we can't expand right now is down to one thing and one thing only - poor leadership. The game and its clubs can easily afford it.

 

[siv]

Eels LC put in $5.6million into the NRL Eels in 13-14 to cover their loss. I guess it isn't seen as revenue but as more a guarantor to cover losses, the more money the NRL eels make the less the LC gives them (12-13 the LC put in $7.5mill to cover their losses)

Thats called a LC grant has been that way since 1960s when LCs were created by all clubs

Its revenue as per standard accounting

 

[siv]

Wonder how the meeting went today for the club demands

 

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Wonder how the meeting went today for the club demands

it was yesterday.

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

Support that he would drop in a second, so hardly real support at all.

Could you define "real support" and and tell us how this is different to his fake version???

Should he cry himself to sleep when his team loses? Should he masterbate exclusively to images of his clubs players?? Should he inject food dye into his ass hole to literally shit club colours???

The only "real" support the ARLC needs to worry about is the publics willingness to attend games. TV audiences wouldnt suffer in the slightest if a team was relocated or disolved entirely, so only the 6-10k people that turn up to games would even notice a real difference i a team was moved.

Most of these fans are the most passionate, willing (though they would never admit it) to follow their team from afar. In exchange, we would gain 20k+ that attend at the new locations, not to mention the wider reach of sponsors.

 

[sensesmaybenumbed]

Could you define "real support" and and tell us how this is different to his fake version???

Should he cry himself to sleep when his team loses? Should he masterbate exclusively to images of his clubs players?? Should he inject food dye into his ass hole to literally shit club colours???

The only "real" support the ARLC needs to worry about is the publics willingness to attend games. TV audiences wouldnt suffer in the slightest if a team was relocated or disolved entirely, so only the 6-10k people that turn up to games would even notice a real difference i a team was moved.

Most of these fans are the most passionate, willing (though they would never admit it) to follow their team from afar. In exchange, we would gain 20k+ that attend at the new locations, not to mention the wider reach of sponsors.

Real support for a team is sticking with them through good and bad. I simply couldn't follow another team even in passing as Perth Red does with the storm. His claims that cutting teams will lead the fans left behind to jump to another team is ridiculous. I know several old north's fans who to this day just can't move on. They watch the game, they love it, but it will never be the same and a transplant just wouldn't sit true with them,and fair enough. In terms of TV rights though, I agree with your sentiments.

 

[siv]

it was yesterday.

Gee time flys

So how did it go ?

 

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Gee time flys

So how did it go ?

Positive apparently, NRL present reply to clubs dec 2.

 

[Last Week]

lol re agenda, like what I think or post on a message board will have any influence on the decision making of the NRL. Its a place to express an opinion, thats what message boards are for.

re the less sydney teams, no there isnt but there is plenty of evidence it isnt working at the moment and given no sport in the world has close to the the number of top prof teams in a comp that sydney has (only equivalent is (my precious lol) AFL and they are in the same boat with a number of melbourne teams struggling) would suggest that there is some historical evidence that something needs to change.

Like what? What evidence is there that the clubs that are currently struggling is due to saturation of the market? I didn't realize that the Gold Coast and Newcastle were saturated markets. There's evidence against it if anything.

AFL clubs are relatively strong in comparison to NRL clubs, and they have plenty of teams in a smaller market than Sydney.

As for new clubs needing financial help, well thats exacly what many of the current 50-100 year old clubs are needing so nothing lost there and maybe the new clubs will become sustainable much quicker in unstaurated markets?

Based on what? The Storm still require assistance from the NRL to the tune of millions. Every year.

Trying to compare the financial assistance provided to current struggling clubs to the financial assistance that would be required to new expansion clubs is laughable. The dollars in question are not in comparison. A club this year supposedly lost $4million. One year, and that's before Leagues Club grants. Are you trying to claim that a Perth side would cost less?

 

[Last Week]

Admin being too cowardly to expand has nothing to do with current clubs, despite what they claim.

Clubs will always push their finances as far as possible, no matter how much they make. Because if you don't, chances are you won't compete.

There will always be some clubs thriving, and some clubs scraping by. It ebbs and flows. It's rarely the same clubs 10,5 or even 2 years later.

A grand total of 1 non-Sydney club can be deemed a larger success in terms of support than the average Sydney club. Brisbane. And you can easily argue that they are underperforming considering their advantages.

Most clubs will never be pro-Expansion. Expanding by 2 means nothing for any other club's bottom line despite their cries, but it does mean a slightly less chance of winning a comp, all things even.

The reason we can't expand right now is down to one thing and one thing only - poor leadership. The game and its clubs can easily afford it.

This is perhaps true, especially in regards to the clubs not wanting to expand and will always push their finances as far as possible.

But the fact is that the ARLC has a responsibility to it's current clubs. And it will only introduce expansion clubs it if believes it will strengthen the competition.

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

Gee time flys

So how did it go ?

Clubs say they've held positive talks with NRL

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/clubs-say-theyve-held-positive-talks-with-nrl-over-salary-cap-standoff-20151118-gl27db.html

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/nrl-clubs-set-to-receive-250000-bonus-for-meeting-offfield-targets-20151117-gl17v9.html

While it is a great initiative by the ARLC, it is so depression that clubs need this carrot held right infront of their faces to believe this is valuable. Some of these club bosses are f*cking children!!

 

[Cumberland Throw]

Why doesn't Canterbury leagues club just charge bulldogs rlc a fee of $3m a year for marketing and admin support

Then the dogs could lose more and go to the NRL cap in hand

 

[Perth Red]

Real support for a team is sticking with them through good and bad. I simply couldn't follow another team even in passing as Perth Red does with the storm. His claims that cutting teams will lead the fans left behind to jump to another team is ridiculous. I know several old north's fans who to this day just can't move on. They watch the game, they love it, but it will never be the same and a transplant just wouldn't sit true with them,and fair enough. In terms of TV rights though, I agree with your sentiments.

Your being very presumptuous of what I will do if we ever get a Perth team. Having flown to Melbourne Every year to watch the storm as well as buy merchandise and catch every game on tv do you really think i'll just stop any kind of support when we get a Perth team? You seem to have a very narrow view of what being a rugby league fan is.

 

[sensesmaybenumbed]

Your being very presumptuous of what I will do if we ever get a Perth team. Having flown to Melbourne Every year to watch the storm as well as buy merchandise and catch every game on tv do you really think i'll just stop any kind of support when we get a Perth team? You seem to have a very narrow view of what being a rugby league fan is.

Your medal is in the mail.

 

[Perth Red]

Like what? What evidence is there that the clubs that are currently struggling is due to saturation of the market? I didn't realize that the Gold Coast and Newcastle were saturated markets. There's evidence against it if anything.

AFL clubs are relatively strong in comparison to NRL clubs, and they have plenty of teams in a smaller market than Sydney.



Based on what? The Storm still require assistance from the NRL to the tune of millions. Every year.

Trying to compare the financial assistance provided to current struggling clubs to the financial assistance that would be required to new expansion clubs is laughable. The dollars in question are not in comparison. A club this year supposedly lost $4million. One year, and that's before Leagues Club grants. Are you trying to claim that a Perth side would cost less?

Check out the annual reports of those clubs that produce them.without leagues club revenue majority of them would be long gone. Now of course this is a legit form of revenue so no probs at all with an NRL club relying on millions from the pokies, problem is leagues clubs in general have been getting less and less income in recent years and that trend is likely to continue with changing generations and a clamp down on problem gambling. The clubs answer to this is to demand more money from the NRL. Given there are 9 Sydney clubs and only one is doing well financially, despite being the strongest heartland for the game and having 100 years to build their business base would suggest there is a problem wouldn't you agree?

Re afl they are in the same boat and are keeping alive a number of Melbourne clubs who can't keep pace with the big vic clubs and one city clubs. If the one city clubs in league like Auckland, Newcastle and Melbourne ever get their act together they will leap as far in front of small Sydney clubs as Broncos have.

Would a Perth side cost less than an extra $4mill a year? No idea tbh. That is the due diligence NRL needs to do before deciding if and where to expand to and what value that expansion will bring to the game in relation to the likely cost.

 

[Perth Red]

Your medal is in the mail.

Cheers, your adoration means a lot to me!

 

[siv]

Why do people think a LC grant should now not be considered to be part of a FC revenue stream ?

 

[sensesmaybenumbed]

Cheers, your adoration means a lot to me!

Yet my sarcasm remains completely undetectable.

 

[adamkungl]

Why do people think a LC grant should now not be considered to be part of a FC revenue stream ?

Exactly. Leagues clubs exist to fund League teams.

Perth Red is cherry picking trends to create a scenario where Sydney teams are in more danger.

IF Leagues clubs withdraw their financial support and IF any of the other 6 non-Sydney teams suddenly double their support then Sydney would be in huge trouble! :lol: