NRL Reserve grade?

[Timmah]

Nah it’s more than just a discussion on this forum

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...n/news-story/1d493cbbfa732fdac5fe3c0a0215c996
Obviously they would know about stadium availability

Do you just google a few words, find the first article and post it here assuming it supports your point?

This is an article about lining up grades from early 2021, refers only to the current state leagues and not a national RG. That particularly brain fart of Pete's went nowhere, with no discernible change in curtain-raisers since then.

From memory the multiple grades (whether 2 or 3) at the same venue happens about 50 times each year out of 192, so just over a quarter of the time.

Eels played games out of their CoE
Souths Redfern last season, So teams used multiple grounds

As for the cost.

Warriors
Roosters
Souths
Dogs
Raiders

Have all recently came back to the more costly Running their own 2nd tier side, They wouldn't do it if the cheaper model was best

Your first two lines proves my point - you were arguing for reserve grade for benefits to fringe players by not having them miss out on training with their reserves teammates (Tweed/Titans example).

As for cost, isn't the NRL incentivising the return to internal reserves in NSW? If so, how long can the ARLC afford that?

 

[Iamback]

Do you just google a few words, find the first article and post it here assuming it supports your point?

This is an article about lining up grades from early 2021, refers only to the current state leagues and not a national RG. That particularly brain fart of Pete's went nowhere, with no discernible change in curtain-raisers since then.

From memory the multiple grades (whether 2 or 3) at the same venue happens about 50 times each year out of 192, so just over a quarter of the time.

Your first two lines proves my point - you were arguing for reserve grade for benefits to fringe players by not having them miss out on training with their reserves teammates (Tweed/Titans example).

As for cost, isn't the NRL incentivising the return to internal reserves in NSW? If so, how long can the ARLC afford that?

Because those 4 then go on Tweed heads schedule not the Titans, If it is a Titans run reserve grade side they can adjust training to run with NRL squad. Run opposed sessions etc.

Clubs are getting record grants, Wouldn't that include that?

 

[Munky]

Reserve grade playing out of suburban grounds makes more sense IMO if you can make it a local event.

I went to a beer festival/Jets game at Henson this year and had a blast with mates.

Far more fun than my trip to Commbank to watch first grade between Penrith and the Tigers.

 

[mongoose]

There will be no Jets or Henson park in reserve grade though....

 

[Timmah]

Because those 4 then go on Tweed heads schedule not the Titans, If it is a Titans run reserve grade side they can adjust training to run with NRL squad. Run opposed sessions etc.

Yes, and the point then is if the games aren't the same day, then they're either missing top grade or reserves training because the schedules still wouldn't be aligned.

I just don't understand the obsession with an NRG. What is so broken about the current set-up?

 

[Wb1234]

Do you just google a few words, find the first article and post it here assuming it supports your point?

This is an article about lining up grades from early 2021, refers only to the current state leagues and not a national RG. That particularly brain fart of Pete's went nowhere, with no discernible change in curtain-raisers since then.

From memory the multiple grades (whether 2 or 3) at the same venue happens about 50 times each year out of 192, so just over a quarter of the time.

Your first two lines proves my point - you were arguing for reserve grade for benefits to fringe players by not having them miss out on training with their reserves teammates (Tweed/Titans example).

As for cost, isn't the NRL incentivising the return to internal reserves in NSW? If so, how long can the ARLC afford that?

They are doing both lol

national rg is part of having more games before nrl

so like I said I’m sure the nrl has considered ground availability before trying to get the support of clubs and the state bodies

 

[Colk]

Yes, and the point then is if the games aren't the same day, then they're either missing top grade or reserves training because the schedules still wouldn't be aligned.

I just don't understand the obsession with an NRG. What is so broken about the current set-up?

To answer your question: nothing.

 

[Wb1234]

To answer your question: nothing.

League was lucky to survive - here is how it can thrive once again

The NRL has taken this opportunity to honestly audit and appraise itself. Now comes the chance to set a course for an even bigger and brighter future.

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This touches on it

 

[Canard]

It didn't back when we had three grades on game day.

Seriously, for most matches the ground was a graveyard until the second half of reserve grade, and most of those people were just showing up early for first grade. Attendance numbers were also significantly lower on average despite the fact that the broadcast was significantly less accessible than it is today. In other words attendances were significantly lower on average back then, despite there being more bang for your buck by attending and most games being harder to catch on TV.

That was also long before the highly competitive social media age or broadcasters insisting on a half-hour to hour break between games. I mean the percentage of roughly under 35s whom would bother to show up to watch reserves, let alone pay for the privilege, has to be miniscule.

Frankly, old men with very thick pairs of rose-tinted glasses on are the only reason there's any push for a return of reserve grade or three grades on game day.

I didn't mind popping along to watch lower grades, in the noughties, that was typically a QCup game before a Cowboys or Broncos game, you could comfortably watch from half time within about a 15min break in-between.

BUT, when the brought in the 45 to 60min break between any lower grade and first grade that killed any desire to do so, who the f**k is going to arrive at the ground 2.5hours before the main game, and sit around for 45mins or more waiting for first grade, after that game ends.

The answer, 2/3rds of f**k all people.

 

[Wb1234]

I didn't mind popping along to watch lower grades, in the noughties, that was typically a QCup game before a Cowboys or Broncos game, you could comfortably watch from half time within about a 15min break in-between.

BUT, when the brought in the 45 to 60min break between any lower grade and first grade that killed any desire to do so, who the f**k is going to arrive at the ground 2.5hours before the main game, and sit around for 45mins or more waiting for first grade, after that game ends.

The answer, 2/3rds of f**k all people.

So the answer to making it work is fixing the times as opposed to the concept itself

 

[Iamback]

Yes, and the point then is if the games aren't the same day, then they're either missing top grade or reserves training because the schedules still wouldn't be aligned.

I just don't understand the obsession with an NRG. What is so broken about the current set-up?

As I said the clubs are going to more expensive route, They wouldn't do it if they didn't expect it to improve

 

[MugaB]

League was lucky to survive - here is how it can thrive once again

The NRL has taken this opportunity to honestly audit and appraise itself. Now comes the chance to set a course for an even bigger and brighter future.

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This touches on it

That was a good read, most of what gus wrote about has already happened since then, especially the part about clubs emulating hiw panthers have their academies set up

 

[Wb1234]

As I said the clubs are going to more expensive route, They wouldn't do it if they didn't expect it to improve

It’s not necessarily more expensive

the game is spending a tonne of money on the nswrl and qrl and there are no real questions being asked if this money could be spent more effectively and how much is being wasted by the qrl and nswrl on beaucracy or overlapping juniors

a more streamlined approach could result in massive savings for head office

 

[MugaB]

There will be no Jets or Henson park in reserve grade though....

Not necessarily, i was wondering why the broncos, titans and cowboys have a reserve grade side, but don't play in the nsw cup? Theyll be added to the qcup, wouldn't it make sence to have them against the reserve sides they are playing against in 1st grade? Then i realized, its to keep the likes of newtown, norths etc around in nsw cup, they would be the defacto reserve grade team on the day for an away broncos game, whilst broncos reserve grade would play in qld vs another qcup side.
Saves costs on fringe 1st graders travel, and keeps those non nrl teams competitive in that level, basically not much changes at either nsw cup comp or qrl comp, just adding more sides, without too much tinkering...the schedules for all three comps (NRL, QCup & NswCup) on the other hand will be the hard part, intertwining them all to suit each NRL match no matter where its played

 

[Perth Red]

Not necessarily, i was wondering why the broncos, titans and cowboys have a reserve grade side, but don't play in the nsw cup? Theyll be added to the qcup, wouldn't it make sence to have them against the reserve sides they are playing against in 1st grade? Then i realized, its to keep the likes of newtown, norths etc around in nsw cup, they would be the defacto reserve grade team on the day for an away broncos game, whilst broncos reserve grade would play in qld vs another qcup side.
Saves costs on fringe 1st graders travel, and keeps those non nrl teams competitive in that level, basically not much changes at either nsw cup comp or qrl comp, just adding more sides, without too much tinkering...the schedules for all three comps (NRL, QCup & NswCup) on the other hand will be the hard part, intertwining them all to suit each NRL match no matter where its played

Would the 4 NSWRL cup teams who would be no longer aligned and supported with reserve grade players be competitive? Wouldn't they just be cannon fodder?
Hows the QRL cup going to fare if the 4 NRL reserve grade sides finish in 1-4 every season?

 

[MugaB]

Would the 4 NSWRL cup teams who would be no longer aligned and supported with reserve grade players be competitive? Wouldn't they just be cannon fodder?
Hows the QRL cup going to fare if the 4 NRL reserve grade sides finish in 1-4 every season?

That's not how reserve grade works, guys like matt burton, started in dubbo, and climbed the ranks, sat behind other more experienced players, moved to another club now is a test player, he is one example of players starting in the country where the is no nrl, that slowly transitions to a club thru a pathway set up and going thru reserve grade, cameron munster did not play for the storms resetve grade system, he came from country qld, these guys are playing in Qcup or Nsw Cup, the broncos aren't going to win qcup every year, coz other clubs will pick the eyes out of that reserve grade squad, just like what happens at penrith right now... again nothing changes... there seems to be this fog of disbelief that the comps are being demoted, when its more to do with clubs owning the development moreso than relying on a seperate feeder club to develop thier juniors... broncos need this badly, the others cows, titans, not so much theyve had no issue with picking out talent from beneath with their own few aligned feeder clubs, broncos had like 5 qcup feeders at one stage, thats insane

 

[Timmah]

They are doing both lol

national rg is part of having more games before nrl

so like I said I’m sure the nrl has considered ground availability before trying to get the support of clubs and the state bodies

That literally isn't it. You're just roughly pointing in a direction and hoping you're making some kind of point

League was lucky to survive - here is how it can thrive once again

The NRL has taken this opportunity to honestly audit and appraise itself. Now comes the chance to set a course for an even bigger and brighter future.

amp.smh.com.au

This touches on it

June 21, 2020. Yikes. Even further back that the last article you sent me. Written in the midst of pandemic uncertainty. No.

So the answer to making it work is fixing the times as opposed to the concept itself

The players want the time to warm up on the field, so unless you shit-can that, ain't happening.

 

[Timmah]

As I said the clubs are going to more expensive route, They wouldn't do it if they didn't expect it to improve

None in QLD, and the Magpies (WT) and Newtown (Cro) appear to be hold-outs.

I imagine there'll be a revolt if they try to make the Sharks move back.

It’s not necessarily more expensive

the game is spending a tonne of money on the nswrl and qrl and there are no real questions being asked if this money could be spent more effectively and how much is being wasted by the qrl and nswrl on beaucracy or overlapping juniors

a more streamlined approach could result in massive savings for head office

I love when mealy mouthed BS like this gets said.

The leagues outline pretty clearly where their funds go in their annual reports. Creating the narrative just because it suits your argument is ridiculous.

 

[Wb1234]

That literally isn't it. You're just roughly pointing in a direction and hoping you're making some kind of point

June 21, 2020. Yikes. Even further back that the last article you sent me. Written in the midst of pandemic uncertainty. No.

The players want the time to warm up on the field, so unless you shit-can that, ain't happening.

I’m guessing you never watched rugby league before 95 ?

having 3 grades of football on game day was the norm

anyway the whole point of this was to show you the nrl has already considered stadium availability.

I mean are you really trying to argue that even though they’ve considered stadium availability for 3 grades on one day, they haven’t for a National rg ?

lmao

edit : you know players can warm up whilst another game is in progress right ?

 

[Wb1234]

None in QLD, and the Magpies (WT) and Newtown (Cro) appear to be hold-outs.

I imagine there'll be a revolt if they try to make the Sharks move back.

I love when mealy mouthed BS like this gets said.

The leagues outline pretty clearly where their funds go in their annual reports. Creating the narrative just because it suits your argument is ridiculous.

What narrative ?

the qrl and nswrl were supposed to be disbanded once the commission was formed

both the qrl and nswrl have shown that they will stop moves that benefit rugby league if it hurts their power base

the qrl literally opposed the dolphins joining the nrl

and the less said about the nswrl fighting the nrl the better

you know the crl got disbanded don’t you ? Guess what nothing changed !