NRL Salary Cap/CBA -2023 - 2027

[Iamback]

Public sentiment, is that most higher end players like, DCE, Cleary, Munster etc get paid millions, the average punter does not... f**k em

Correct, Every post made has comments stating that very thing

 

[Iamback]

Yet the CBA does not cover NSW Cup, Qld Cups, RMC, U21, U19 or U17 players or country/grassroots players

Only the NRL Top 30 and NRLW Top 25

Which is why any agreement needs to have room for those outside the top tier

 

[AlwaysGreen]

The years later part is what will destroy the NRL, Unless it is a set amount of money every player to ever train with an NRL side will be putting in claims.

Especially if the CTE thing blows up.

 

[Iamback]

Especially if the CTE thing blows up.

That would wipe the NRL out for good

 

[Perth Red]

So the players at the moment do not even pay for the own personal Health Insurance, their clubs do.
The NRL want them to pay their own Health Insurance (like the rest of us mere mortals), so the clubs can use that money elsewhere (maybe like on junior leagues???), and due to their increase in wages.
Are the players disputing the fact that they will now have to pay their own personal insurance?

id hate to think what the cost of that insurance is for a professional rl player! I’d be pssed as well if the salary cap increase meant I got a $100k increase and then half of it went to health insurance previously covered by my employer. Surely if the idea was to save the clubs some tax mOney the nrl could have set it aside in the cap as an individualised paymnet to each player covering it so they felt like the nrl was now paying for it not them? We don’t seem very sophisticated in things like that.

on the long term insurance. There will be a compromise in there somewhere, maybe 5 years post playing unless a Life long disability that prevents you from working or similar. Tricky one is brain damage and CTE which may not develop,for 20-30 years post playing. They will need to find some way of dealing with that.

 

[bad boy bubby]

The years later part is what will destroy the NRL, Unless it is a set amount of money every player to ever train with an NRL side will be putting in claims.

Yep. The game will be broke.

This where the players union are playing this game wrong. The average joe does not get the compensations they do, and it looks like they are seeking more in after footy.
Now if they were all up and saying "the Australian worker needs to be looked after. These issues across the board are wrong!"
They would garnish a shyte load of support.
They are only trying to change the laws to suit their own world. I'm not saying they don't care about the public, they are just in their own bubbles that they are ignorant of how the general public, especially in this current climate economically, are having a hard time.

 

[Pneuma]

Yep. The game will be broke.

This where the players union are playing this game wrong. The average joe does not get the compensations they do, and it looks like they are seeking more in after footy.
Now if they were all up and saying "the Australian worker needs to be looked after. These issues across the board are wrong!"
They would garnish a shyte load of support.
They are only trying to change the laws to suit their own world. I'm not saying they don't care about the public, they are just in their own bubbles that they are ignorant of how the general public, especially in this current climate economically, are having a hard time.

This will all play out for a couple more weeks and then settle. The players want pay. The nrl wants a competition. Some of the demands are extravagant but that’s how it works. I like idea of the Women having a separate agreement.

 

[Perth Red]

Yep. The game will be broke.

This where the players union are playing this game wrong. The average joe does not get the compensations they do, and it looks like they are seeking more in after footy.
Now if they were all up and saying "the Australian worker needs to be looked after. These issues across the board are wrong!"
They would garnish a shyte load of support.
They are only trying to change the laws to suit their own world. I'm not saying they don't care about the public, they are just in their own bubbles that they are ignorant of how the general public, especially in this current climate economically, are having a hard time.

The avg worker gets a lot more support from workers comp than players. Then add in that the avg worker can have life insurance relatively cheaper which cover permanent disabilities. Then factor in the vast majority of workers risk of injury compared to these players And it’s not much of a comparison.

I carry a life long back injury from my early nursing days before we had ohs protecting us and would have been so much better off if I could have continued to access treatment over the years. If the players can get it good on ‘em I say.

 

[Iamback]

This will all play out for a couple more weeks and then settle. The players want pay. The nrl wants a competition. Some of the demands are extravagant but that’s how it works. I like idea of the Women having a separate agreement.

There's should be seperate to atleast get their schedule sorted

 

[bad boy bubby]

id hate to think what the cost of that insurance is for a professional rl player! I’d be pssed as well if the salary cap increase meant I got a $100k increase and then half of it went to health insurance previously covered by my employer.

on the long term insurance. There will be a compromise in there somewhere, maybe 5 years post playing unless a Life long disability that prevents you from working or similar. Tricky one is brain damage and CTE which may not develop,for 20-30 years post playing. They will need to find some way of dealing with that.

Do you pay your own personal insurance?
Does you employer pay for your own personal health insurance?
no need to respond as I know the answers.

They have chosen this profession, they are the costs. Mine are my costs, and I deal with them. They can deal with that. Are they so different to you and I? Do you place them above yourself?

I have posted this two times already in regards to iCare/Workers comp in Australia.
If they are at work and an injury occurs they will be covered for however long the injury is there.
If CTE occurs that will not be covered. How many of the public get CTE that haven't played NRL??
A great deal. A former employer would not have to pay if this occurs.

Judging by your post it looks like you don't really understand the laws in regards to iCare/Work Comp etc.
I recommend to doing some research. The NRL do not by law have to look after players that get injuries etc, that may have been caused by playing, popped up after playing, but cannot be proven they happened in their work environment.

 

[bad boy bubby]

The avg worker gets a lot more support from workers comp than players. Then add in that the avg worker can have life insurance relatively cheaper which cover permanent disabilities. Then factor in the vast majority of workers risk of injury compared to these players And it’s not much of a comparison.

I carry a life long back injury from my early nursing days before we had ohs protecting us and would have been so much better off if I could have continued to access treatment over the years. If the players can get it good on ‘em I say.

The players are covered by work comp, when they are playing, and after if its reoccurring. That law stands by the same as them as with us.
If you choose to work in a highly dangerous environment, that is your choice, and its the Insurance companies that choose the cost.
Don't wanna pay, don't play. Simple.
Their own personal Health Insurance is up to themselves, this is separate from iCAre

I'm sorry for your injury, but if it happened right here, right now, in this country you would be covered.
Just as the players are.

 

[Wb1234]

I have mentioned Burgess.

GI was medically retired, rightful his injuries should if been treated.

He was then well enough to play in ESL, Yet people on here think NRL should continue to cover him.

There needs to be a cut off somewhere.

Players think 12 months isn't enough, I am happy to back their judgement. So what do they think is good enough? Get that answer and the CBA may get somewhere

Most jobs have four weeks sick leave

not the nrl

when turbo gets Injured for six months his club gets stuck with the bill for the whole time not four weeks

clubs pay for this via insurance

players get paid their contracts if they get injured that’s fair enough

 

[Wb1234]

Why not, it seems like the world is upset with the bosses here, and these privileged players aren't getting their simple demands aheared too, they aren't getting their voices heard..
It feels very much a staged event to point out how they weren't consulted on how all this money going out was to be spent...
The fans will lose out on this, and the game will suffer for the RLPA dragging their feet with all these bullet points, it seems inevitable that if they strike, that the players will get looked upon as spoilt brats

Nailed it

 

[Perth Red]

Do you pay your own personal insurance?
Does you employer pay for your own personal health insurance?
no need to respond as I know the answers.

They have chosen this profession, they are the costs. Mine are my costs, and I deal with them. They can deal with that. Are they so different to you and I? Do you place them above yourself?

I have posted this two times already in regards to iCare/Workers comp in Australia.
If they are at work and an injury occurs they will be covered for however long the injury is there.
If CTE occurs that will not be covered. How many of the public get CTE that haven't played NRL??
A great deal. A former employer would not have to pay if this occurs.

Judging by your post it looks like you don't really understand the laws in regards to iCare/Work Comp etc.
I recommend to doing some research. The NRL do not by law have to look after players that get injuries etc, that may have been caused by playing, popped up after playing, but cannot be proven they happened in their work environment.

No I dont pay for workers comp insurance, the company does
yes I have health insurance but it is relatively low cost compared to what the premiums would be for these guys and girls, and my chances of needing to use therefore my premiums going up significantly are significantly less.

maybe as a nation we should look after workers better who get serious injuries at work that ruin the rest of their lives? If the players can get that then good on them, maybe pave the way for us to do things better for everyone.

Let’s not forget they are the people putting their health on the line to make $600million for the nrl and a further $300million plus for the clubs every year.

No one complains about movie stars getting $20mill A film or pop stars getting $50mill a tour or onlyfans slappers earning $100k a month! smacks of jealousy by those without the talent to earn big money to Me.

 

[Perth Red]

The players are covered by work comp, when they are playing, and after if its reoccurring. That law stands by the same as them as with us.
If you choose to work in a highly dangerous environment, that is your choice, and its the Insurance companies that choose the cost.
Don't wanna pay, don't play. Simple.
Their own personal Health Insurance is up to themselves, this is separate from iCAre

I'm sorry for your injury, but if it happened right here, right now, in this country you would be covered.
Just as the players are.

That wasnt the experience of my mate. He got injured at work and his workers comp only covered to x $’s of surgery and treatment. That’s now run out and he has to pay for ongoing treatment himself.

 

[Iamback]

No I dont pay for workers comp insurance, the company does
yes I have health insurance but it is relatively low cost compared to what the premiums would be for these guys and girls, and my chances of needing to use therefore my premiums going up significantly are significantly less.

maybe as a nation we should look after workers better who get serious injuries at work that ruin the rest of their lives? If the players can get that then good on them, maybe pave the way for us to do things better for everyone.

Let’s not forget they are the people putting their health on the line to make $600million for the nrl and a further $300million plus for the clubs every year.

No one complains about movie stars getting $20mill A film or pop stars getting $50mill a tour or onlyfans slappers earning $100k a month! smacks of jealousy by those without the talent to earn big money to Me.

Does TV studios cover those movie stars AFTER the work?

That is what it comes down too

 

[Perth Red]

Does TV studios cover those movie stars AFTER the work?

That is what it comes down too

I wasn’t making that comparison, just on how people seem to get upset because professional rl players can finally earn decent coin yet dont have the same angst at other top talent that makes lots of money for its companies, like movie stars and musicians.

if the injury is received during playing career then I have no problem with any future treatment needed being covered by an nrl insurance scheme. We shouldnt have to be fundraising Ffs for people like Alex McKinnon and making him feel like a charity case!

you do understand why the players are upset by the nrls spin that they are greedy because they want more after a 25% pay increase don’t you? We are getting more and more detail how in fact it’s a shifting of costs rather than just a pay increase. add in the cap now covering more players and what’s the real increase?

 

[Iamback]

I wasn’t making that comparison, just on how people seem to get upset because professional rl players can finally earn decent coin yet dont have the same angst at other top talent that makes lots of money for its companies, like movie stars and musicians.

if the injury is received during playing career then I have no problem with any future treatment needed being covered by an nrl insurance scheme. We shouldnt have to be fundraising Ffs for people like Alex McKinnon and making him feel like a charity case!

you do understand why the players are upset by the nrls spin that they are greedy because they want more after a 25% pay increase don’t you? We are getting more and more detail how in fact it’s a shifting of costs rather than just a pay increase. add in the cap now covering more players and what’s the real increase?

Not if the injury is fixed. Where is this endless pool of funds coming from?

Take Sam Burgess what does an NRL Assistant earn $200k? Any issues that arise now should be covered by his personal insurance.

What about players that get injured here but go to England for a few years after. Should the NRL have to fund their recovery?

As for the shifting costs. I thought it wasn't about money? Though what was behind that?

Very likely player led, Either they wanted to have coverage for their family. Of more likely wanted to change clubs and in doing so had to wait weeks to be covered at the new club.

By covering their own insurance they can get on the same deal with their partners to add things like pregnancy.

It also covers them personally should they change clubs, I still doubt any of them are worse off

 

[Perth Red]

Not if the injury is fixed. Where is this endless pool of funds coming from?

Take Sam Burgess what does an NRL Assistant earn $200k? Any issues that arise now should be covered by his personal insurance.

What about players that get injured here but go to England for a few years after. Should the NRL have to fund their recovery.

As for the shifting costs, What was behind that?

Very likely player led, Either they wanted to have coverage for their family. Of more likely wanted to change clubs and in doing so had to wait weeks to be covered at the new club.

By covering their own insurance they can get on the same deal with their partners to add things like pregnancy.

It also covers them personally should they change clubs, I still doubt any of them are worse off

It wouldn’t be endless, that’s a bit of a strawman. all insurances have limits on them in time and value. rlpa know this and I doubt very much they are asking for assistance infinitum.

Again a one off strawman, if a player Plays in SL after the nrl then, CTE aside, they clearly aren’t injured to the extent it’s stopping them playing. It would invalidate the insurance because you wouldnt be able to prove where the injury occured.

im not saying they couldn’t pay for their own insurance. But it’s noticeable how the nrl has failed to mention this and just focussed on players getting paid more. Like I said a player with the medical risk they carry aren’t getting insurance for the $200 a month I pay! Most players aren’t getting a massive pay increase, that will be reserved for the top 10% as usual. A $50- $100k pay rise where $50k of that is insurance you now have to pay which you never did isn’t a great increase when they look at nrls and clubs revenue increase.

players on the lower end of scale, the sub $200k a year group are going to be saddled with a major new cost they didn’t have before. Any increase to that min salary level will be swallowed up by having to cover insurance. “Not being worse off“ is hardly a great outcome if you’re a player!

wait till afl announce their 2025 cba and then the sht will hit the fan! Nrl are lucky they haven’t been mischievous and done it early To really rile the nrl players!

 

[Iamback]

It wouldn’t be endless, that’s a bit of a strawman. all insurances have limits on them in time and value. rlpa know this and I doubt very much they are asking for assistance infinitum.

Again a one off strawman, if a player Plays in SL after the nrl then, CTE aside, they clearly aren’t injured to the extent it’s stopping them playing. It would invalidate the insurance because you wouldnt be able to prove where the injury occured.

im not saying they couldn’t pay for their own insurance. But it’s noticeable how the nrl has failed to mention this and just focussed on players getting paid more. Like I said a player with the medical risk they carry aren’t getting insurance for the $200 a month I pay! Most players aren’t getting a massive pay increase, that will be reserved for the top 10% as usual. A $50- $100k pay rise where $50k of that is insurance you now have to pay which you never did isn’t a great increase when they look at nrls and clubs revenue increase.

players on the lower end of scale, the sub $200k a year group are going to be saddled with a major new cost they didn’t have before. Any increase to that min salary level will be swallowed up by having to cover insurance. “Not being worse off“ is hardly a great outcome if you’re a player!

wait till afl announce their 2025 cba and then the sht will hit the fan! Nrl are lucky they haven’t been mischievous and done it early To really rile the nrl players!

It might be strawman but point me to where the players have said exactly what they want. All they say is they want it changed. Changed to what exactly?

As for the AFL. In August Wayne Carey said they do enough for their ex players. Seems to be an ongoing theme