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NRL Salary Cap/CBA -2023 - 2027

Wb1234

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This is just shows you haven't read anything about what the RLPA is campaigning for - and if you have you're choosing to ignore it because it doesn't suit your world view.
What world view is that lol

faced between trusting vlandys and abdo vs welsh Dce and graham I’m sticking with the games leaders

Dce a few years back wanted to get rid of vlandys now they have a problem with abdo

heck even his qld team mates didn’t want to play with him
 

Timmah

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What world view is that lol

faced between trusting vlandys and abdo vs welsh Dce and graham I’m sticking with the games leaders

Dce a few years back wanted to get rid of vlandys now they have a problem with abdo

heck even his qld team mates didn’t want to play with him
You sticking with Vlandys, there's a surprise 😂
 

Perth Red

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It might be strawman but point me to where the players have said exactly what they want. All they say is they want it changed. Changed to what exactly?

As for the AFL. In August Wayne Carey said they do enough for their ex players. Seems to be an ongoing theme
Afl just upped the annual payment to aflpa to $60mill a year, I’m guessing that is to help players post playing? Here’s the hardship fund afl contributes a share of revenue to:

and a $150mill retirement fund they have


no we dont know, and I’m just arguing that the premise that players should be covered whilst playing and for any serious injury, up to a certain amount/time, after playing due to work related injury isn’t greedy or as outrageous as some on here seem to find it.

given the nature of the risk to long term health problems players are taking in their workplace to make a billion $’s a year for the clubs and commission I think it’s a fair request to look at as long as it’s within games resources to do so.

also the claiming that players are getting a 22% pay increase when that simply isn’t the case as we are now seeing in the detail is yet again more spin from Vlandys that damages the trust between players and commission. It’s just put out there to make players look greedy and try and turn public sentiment against them to pressure them into agreement. And the Vlandys best friends with no cold media are happy to provide the vehicle to do it.

Maybe if the commission hadn’t caved in to clubs and given them a 67% increase on club grants in order to keep their jobs they could have put that $34mill plus a year to the players?
 
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It's an entire thread of tweets. Are you capable of opening it and reading it or do you need it to be spoon fed to you?

If you need it in an easier text format, here: https://www.rlpa.com.au/players-cba-claims/

Again, Here is the 1st one

They say 12 months isn't long enough - On the surface I won't argue with those who know.

The want is a medical fund, Containing how much?
Past players to be covered. Any player to ever play the game gets access?

The answer of those and you can get an opinion if they are being unreasonable
 

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Wb1234

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You sticking with Vlandys, there's a surprise 😂
Yeh I know shocking isn’t it

sticking with the guy that added a new men’s team, and loads of women’s teams which provided more jobs for rugby league players

and also gave the existing playing group a very generous pay rise in times when every other Australian is facing falling real wages or worse no job at all as the economy tanks

oh and the salary cap is going up again in a few years with the new tv deal

guess who that benefits ?
 

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Afl just upped the annual payment to aflpa to $60mill a year, I’m guessing that is to help players post playing? Here’s the hardship fund afl contributes a share of revenue to:


Maybe if the commission hadn’t caved in to clubs and given them a 67% increase on club grants in order to keep their jobs they could have put that $34mill plus a year to the players?
The players play for those clubs who get that grant so ultimately that money goes to them anyway.
 
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Afl just upped the annual payment to aflpa to $60mill a year, I’m guessing that is to help players post playing? Here’s the hardship fund afl contributes a share of revenue to:

and a $150mill retirement fund they have


no we dont know, and I’m just arguing that the premise that players should be covered whilst playing and for any serious injury, up to a certain amount/time, after playing due to work related injury isn’t greedy or as outrageous as some on here seem to find it.

given the nature of the risk to long term health problems players are taking in their workplace to make a billion $’s a year for the clubs and commission I think it’s a fair request to look at as long as it’s within games resources to do so.

also the claiming that players are getting a 22% pay increase when that simply isn’t the case as we are now seeing in the detail is yet again more spin from Vlandys that damages the trust between players and commission. It’s just put out there to make players look greedy and try and turn public sentiment against them to pressure them into agreement. And the Vlandys best friends with no cold media are happy to provide the vehicle to do it.

Maybe if the commission hadn’t caved in to clubs and given them a 67% increase on club grants in order to keep their jobs they could have put that $34mill plus a year to the players?

That link you posted has limits, Exactly what any NRL version needs. Something which we are still waiting to hear.

As for the NRL painting them as greedy, Plenty of tweets from the RLPA do that and is how this things always look

Of that $5m grant. $2m is going to junior development which helps the players
 

Perth Red

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The players play for those clubs who get that grant so ultimately that money goes to them anyway.
The club grant increase is above and beyond the cap so no it’s not going to the players. You raise a good question though, with a cap,of $12mill and a football cap of $5mill why do clubs need all of those running costs covered by the nrl? maybe they need to be raising more revenue in their business So the games money can fund grassroots, asset acquisition and growth strategies?
 
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Timmah

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sticking with the guy that added a new men’s team, and loads of women’s teams which provided more jobs for rugby league players
He added these things without a CBA or Salary Cap being agreed to. In the case of the latter (womens teams), they're currently unable to finalise their rosters.
and also gave the existing playing group a very generous pay rise in times when every other Australian is facing falling real wages or worse no job at all as the economy tanks
The players' pay rise still doesn't bring them back to pre-pandemic levels (remember how they took a pay cut so the game could return a week earlier than the other codes in 2020?).

Wage growth is at its highest since 2013 too, not sure where your stats on wages come from. Even then I don't find the comparison to everyday people or wages people particularly relevant to this.
 

Perth Red

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That link you posted has limits, Exactly what any NRL version needs. Something which we are still waiting to hear.

As for the NRL painting them as greedy, Plenty of tweets from the RLPA do that and is how this things always look

Of that $5m grant. $2m is going to junior development which helps the players
yep I think we all agree it should have limits, what we don’t know is what the commission see as acceptable li it and what the rlpa do. i think we can all agree 12 months is nowhere near enough?

Is it? Where have you read that? is it ringfenced for every club to spend that on their elite jnr pathways?

Exactly. Warriors are running a NSW Cup and SG Ball team, Which helps the players
and should the game pay for those elite development pathways or the clubs?
at what point do you say some clubs are unviable as they can’t generate the revenue to afford to be in the top tier v keep massively upping the grant, at the expense of investment in other areas, so the game pays for everything?
A 67% increase ABOVE the salary cap increase is massive!
 
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Wb1234

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He added these things without a CBA or Salary Cap being agreed to. In the case of the latter (womens teams), they're currently unable to finalise their rosters.

The players' pay rise still doesn't bring them back to pre-pandemic levels (remember how they took a pay cut so the game could return a week earlier than the other codes in 2020?).

Wage growth is at its highest since 2013 too, not sure where your stats on wages come from. Even then I don't find the comparison to everyday people or wages people particularly relevant to this.
Real wages are after inflation. Wage growth has fallen behind inflation

and all those things they did benefitted players

it’s why I said I’m backing him over the players

he’s done more than enough for them

talk of strike action is damaging the game
 

Timmah

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Real wages are after inflation. Wage growth has fallen behind inflation

and all those things they did benefitted players

it’s why I said I’m backing him over the players

he’s done more than enough for them

talk of strike action is damaging the game
The media who are angling to support the administrators are the ones speculating about strike action. All the players have said so far is that they have/will boycott media appearances.

There are *already* assurances covering the All Stars from the article I posted this morning.
 

Perth Red

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Everything the RLPA request comes at a cost

So yes its about money

And about a new suit wanting to muscle in
I think he meant, and I think you know what he meant, that’s it’s not all about salaries, which is what the nrl is trying to paint To turn public opinion against players.

ps the trade window has nothing to do with monetary cost,
 

Wb1234

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The media who are angling to support the administrators are the ones speculating about strike action. All the players have said so far is that they have/will boycott media appearances.

There are *already* assurances covering the All Stars from the article I posted this morning.
I’ve seen players themselves say strike action is possible when the reality is they are no chance of doing it

I’m tired of clubs and players putting the game through the wringer and crying like babies until they get what they want

players don’t care about the game itself anymore which is sad

when I started watching the game they were way less selfish than the prima donnas of today
 

siv

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should the game pay for those elite development pathways or the clubs?
The problem here is the answer is no and yes

Professional pathways the abswer should be no its up to the NRL clubs

For part-time pathways and grassroots the answer is yes

But running this properly in NSW, Qld and NZ will cost the ARLC the same as a NRL club in each state

And of course we have rep games across Asia-Pacific

Facilities development

And rainy day savings
 

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