NRL set to introduce New Zealand Maori clash with Indigenous All Stars

[Springs09]

LOL... Spoken like a true "colonial" that's been totally disconnected from Europe...

Try telling the Irish that they aren't Celtic, or the Scots Gaels (another type of Celtic mind you), or the Hungarian parts of Romania that they are the just Romanians, Wallonia that it's no different from Flanders, try telling the Catalans that they are Spaniards and see how that goes...

You really want to start a war? Try telling any Slavic group that they are the same as any of the others...

Right, not one thing I said was anything about that, and nothing to do with the idiots saying the Indigenous side is the same as fielding an Australian 'Anglo-Saxon' side.

You're really good at moving goal posts and making totally irrelevant points.

 

[unforgiven]

Yeah nah not quite.

I am extremely proud of my Norwegian and Irish heritage, yet can not play for either side as it was my great grandparents that were born there, my grand parents were born in Australia.

I could play for Ireland, a country Ive never been to, but not the state I have lived in for over 25 years.

 

[The Great Dane]

Right, not one thing I said was anything about that, and nothing to do with the idiots saying the Indigenous side is the same as fielding an Australian 'Anglo-Saxon' side.

You're really good at moving goal posts and making totally irrelevant points.

You said -

The old European cultures I'm talking about are the ones people mention when they say 'Anglo-Saxon' or 'Celtic', these are thousands of years removed and no longer relevant when it comes to identification. No one identifies as these and very few even know what they refer to. No one would have any idea how much Anglo-Saxon, Celtic, Norman etc are in them. It's like saying we should have a Viking side.

None of which is true, none of those cultures you named are "thousands of years removed", none of them are no longer relevant when "it comes to identification" (particularly Celtic cultures in Britain, Ireland and parts of France), people still do identify with these cultures or derivatives of them and do know what they refer too.
By pointing out ethnic differences within European nations I was pointing out the utter ridiculousness of what you were saying, and the utter ridiculousness of people saying that if people of European ethnicity or heritage wanted to represent that they can just play for their national teams with one set of examples, e.g. a Walloon is not representing Wallonia or Walloon culture when they play for Belgium and selection for Belgium's national team is not restricted by ethnicity or ethnic heritage, it's open to all citizens of Belgium that are eligible under the sports rules whether they be Walloon, Flemish, or not even ethnically Belgian at all!

People are bringing up the cultural/ethnic groups instead of sub-groups of them (i.e. individual tribes or nations) cause it is more analogous to what is happening with these Aboriginal or Maori teams, e.g. Maori describes an ethnic/cultural group not a specific Maori tribe just as Celtic describes the Celtic ethnic/cultural group instead of specific Celtic tribes and/or nations.

 

[The Great Dane]

I could play for Ireland, a country Ive never been to, but not the state I have lived in for over 25 years.

SOO is a whole other thing (and one that I'm neither fan of nor should I be eligible to participate in except for some dodgy political manipulation on the NSWRL's part), but you are not excluded from representing the state/territory you are eligible for, there a rep-teams for all of them playing in affiliated states cups and the like. It is also not analogous to a racial or ethnic team. Race and ethnicity are immutable characteristics, you get no choice in them as you are born into them and you can't change them, you can change what state you live in and what state you hold allegiances too.

 

[jim_57]

I could play for Ireland, a country Ive never been to, but not the state I have lived in for over 25 years.

To be fair though keeping the criteria in mind that makes you at least 37/38 which doesn't really make it a like-for-like with young RL players. I imagine the rules are designed more for 18 year olds who moved to NSW when they were 15 electing for Origin/Australia/$$$ over their birth country. Come to think of it I think the change was bought on not long after the James Tamou situation.

I wouldn't have an issue with Origin keeping the criteria as is but extending it to all players who meet the criteria regardless of their national choice.. but that's a debate for another day and another thread.

 

[unforgiven]

SOO is a whole other thing (and one that I'm neither fan of nor should I be eligible to participate in except for some dodgy political manipulation on the NSWRL's part), but you are not excluded from representing the state/territory you are eligible for, there a rep-teams for all of them playing in affiliated states cups and the like. It is also not analogous to a racial or ethnic team. Race and ethnicity are immutable characteristics, you get no choice in them as you are born into them and you can't change them, you can change what state you live in and what state you hold allegiances too.

Yes I am, I live in NSW, SA does not have an origin team, only a residents team. I can not represent my state in State of Origin

 

[unforgiven]

To be fair though keeping the criteria in mind that makes you at least 37/38 which doesn't really make it a like-for-like with young RL players. I imagine the rules are designed more for 18 year olds who moved to NSW when they were 15 electing for Origin/Australia/$$$ over their birth country. Come to think of it I think the change was bought on not long after the James Tamou situation.

I wouldn't have an issue with Origin keeping the criteria as is but extending it to all players who meet the criteria regardless of their national choice.. but that's a debate for another day and another thread.

So now you are using my age to prevent me from playing State of Origin? I'm 39 but if I'm good enough you are preventing me from playing.

 

[jim_57]

So now you are using my age to prevent me from playing State of Origin? I'm 39 but if I'm good enough you are preventing me from playing.

I, personally, am not preventing you from anything. As a Queenslander though by all means I hope NSW come to their senses and pick you for next year's series .

 

[unforgiven]

I, personally, am not preventing you from anything. As a Queenslander though by all means I hope NSW come to their senses and pick you for next year's series .

Honestly i'm being facetious, the mock outrage at providing a disadvantage sector of our society an opportunity to be represented on an international stage is sad and a poor reflection on our society. Well done to the NRL for this concept and I hope as many people as possible get behind it.

 

[jim_57]

Honestly i'm being facetious, the mock outrage at providing a disadvantage sector of our society an opportunity to be represented on an international stage is sad and a poor reflection on our society. Well done to the NRL for this concept and I hope as many people as possible get behind it.

I agree with all of that.

For the record I still support you or another 39 year old taking Tedesco, Frizzel or Cook's spot next Origin series. Equality and all that...

 

[Diesel]

Im sure somewhere I read that Vic is aligned to NSW while NT is aligned to QLD, so you could come from interstate and play for an origin team. I’m sure former Eel Matt Perterson (I think that was his name) came from WA but was eligible for NSW. Perhaps that was the old rule too where Aussie Jim was able to play SoO

 

[unforgiven]

Im sure somewhere I read that Vic is aligned to NSW while NT is aligned to QLD, so you could come from interstate and play for an origin team. I’m sure former Eel Matt Perterson (I think that was his name) came from WA but was eligible for NSW. Perhaps that was the old rule too where Aussie Jim was able to play SoO

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-05/state-of-origin-eligibility/9833802

There is no alignment between developing states

 

[Canard]

Im sure somewhere I read that Vic is aligned to NSW while NT is aligned to QLD, so you could come from interstate and play for an origin team. I’m sure former Eel Matt Perterson (I think that was his name) came from WA but was eligible for NSW. Perhaps that was the old rule too where Aussie Jim was able to play SoO

Those state affiliations aren't correct, and Aussie Jim and Akila Uate, James McManus etc wouldn't qualify under the news rules.

 

[Diesel]

I stand corrected. Hypothetically it will be interesting if a few Cam Smiths or Brad Fittlers turn up from Victoria or WA in a decade or so, the league hating media will want the rules changed again

 

[gitano]

Great. Another nothing spectacle I give zero f**ks about.

 

[kdalymc]

I stand corrected. Hypothetically it will be interesting if a few Cam Smiths or Brad Fittlers turn up from Victoria or WA in a decade or so, the league hating media will want the rules changed again

Be same as as awesome kiwi kid playing for warriors wouldn’t it?

 

[Te Kaha]

People are bringing up the cultural/ethnic groups instead of sub-groups of them (i.e. individual tribes or nations) cause it is more analogous to what is happening with these Aboriginal or Maori teams, e.g. Maori describes an ethnic/cultural group not a specific Maori tribe just as Celtic describes the Celtic ethnic/cultural group instead of specific Celtic tribes and/or nations.

Or Maori describes a nation of people within another nation. The Native Americans have this, The cook Islands have this. Scotland, Wales and England have this. Who are you to say that Maori don't?

 

[Albert Rosenfeld]

Not a fan of Klemmer then?

Sorry but I forgot Herr Klemmer.

 

[Travitoh]

As an Australian, i am outraged by this and despite not caring about a preseason game and already having a national team representing me in RL internationals and World Cups, i feel left out that my culture is being ignored in the All Stars concept.
Break out the glass pipes and Cold Chisel! #whiteaustraliansmatter

 

[Valheru]

Honestly i'm being facetious, the mock outrage at providing a disadvantage sector of our society an opportunity to be represented on an international stage is sad and a poor reflection on our society. Well done to the NRL for this concept and I hope as many people as possible get behind it.

They already have an opportunity to be represented on the International stage, it is called the Australian and New Zealand national teams.