NRL set to introduce New Zealand Maori clash with Indigenous All Stars

[unforgiven]

Lol.

Ok how is it drivel?

Cause I called him out on not actually responding to anything I said and instead assuming a position I don't hold...

You stated double standards cause division, Trying to rectify past injustices is not double standards.

 

[The Great Dane]

What's the minefield it causes??? Who is harmed/disadvantaged?

Try to be specific and not use weasel words

What are the minefields that identity politics and collectivism causes, are you serious!
How about people being treated as part of a class instead of as an individual, how about attributing characteristics to people as groups based on immutable characteristics instead of their individual characteristics, how about basically all the terrible things that the Aboriginals were subjected too in the first place, how about in really extreme examples when it goes really bad and you get dehumanisation of a group and/or a class based on said characteristics and you end up with the freaking Nazis running around butchering the "untermensch", or the Hutu massacring Tutsi, or any other of a million other examples from throughout history (not that I'm suggesting that Aboriginals or Maori are going to start massacring other races lol, or that this match will lead to that at all)!

I knew the education system was bad, but...

 

[The Great Dane]

You stated double standards cause division, Trying to rectify past injustices is not double standards.

A race exclusive football team isn't rectifying past injustices, it's further placing that race as an out group and othering them...

 

[Canard]

What are the minefields that identity politics and collectivism causes, are you serious!
How about people being treated as part of a class instead of as an individual, how about attributing characteristics to people as groups based on immutable characteristics instead of their individual characteristics, how about basically all the terrible things that the Aboriginals were subjected too in the first place, how about in really extreme examples when it goes really bad and you get dehumanisation of a group and/or a class based on said characteristics and you end up with the freaking Nazis running around butchering the "untermensch", or the Hutu massacring Tutsi, or any other of a million other examples from throughout history (not that I'm suggesting that Aboriginals or Maori are going to start massacring other races lol, or that this match will lead to that at all)!

I knew the education system was bad, but...

I'm sorry mate, I assumed I was talking to a stable rational person.

Apologies, and please continue to seek help.

 

[The Great Dane]

Pure drivel.

So no reason then, you just don't like it and/or don't agree with it therefore it's "drivel".

 

[unforgiven]

A race exclusive football team isn't rectifying past injustices, it's further placing that race as an out group and othering them...

It would be if they saw it that way, classification in itself is not racism

 

[The Great Dane]

I'm sorry mate, I assumed I was talking to a stable rational person.

Apologies, and please continue to seek help.

Wait you seriously don't know what i.e. collectivism is?

You do realise that racism and race politics is a form of collectivism right, the whole thing you think you have been railing against this whole time?

I think I see the problem now, we're talking on completely different wavelengths, I'm using philosophical and political concepts and theories just assuming that you'd understand them when you don't, so you are confusing what I'm saying and misinterpreting what is being said cause of that, and because of the same assumption that you recognise and understand these concepts I'm misinterpreting what you are saying cause I'm assuming the context in which they are being said uses the same philosophical framework when it doesn't.

 

[SBD82]

Wait you seriously don't know what i.e. collectivism is?

You do realise that racism and race politics is a form of collectivism right, the whole thing you think you have been railing against this whole time?

I think I see the problem now, we're talking on completely different wavelengths, I'm using philosophical and political concepts and theories just assuming that you'd understand them when you don't, so you are confusing what I'm saying and misinterpreting what is being said cause of that, and because of the same assumption that you recognise and understand these concepts I'm misinterpreting what you are saying cause I'm assuming the context in which they are being said uses the same philosophical framework when it doesn't.

You're literally arguing for the national homogenization of culture, in the interest of societal cohesion.

Where would you say that sits in your political framework?

 

[The Great Dane]

It would be if they saw it that way, classification in itself is not racism

The racism isn't in the classification it's in the exclusion!

So again IF their was an i.e. White Australian football team playing in a competition that they aren't eligible for how do you think that would be reacted to by most of the Aboriginal community?
I doubt they would see it as a classification or a "celebration" they'd see it as them being excluded from participating in a competition because of their race and their background and that they aren't part of the same group as the White Australians but are a separate entity, and they'd be right, and that'd be a terrible thing. At the same time having a 'White Australia' team signal the same thing to them that Aboriginals (and anybody else excluded) aren't part of their group and that they are a separate entity from them.

The same thing happens in reverse on some level (it varies depending on all sorts of factors, but I'd hazard a guess that class is the biggest factor) when there is an Aboriginal exclusive team, and that creates people from all races and ethnicities that feel left out and/or othered, in other words they don't feel that they and Aboriginals are one group/nation/tribe/whatever but instead that they are two different tribes(/whatever terminology you want to use) living in the same area that are competing for resources, when that isn't and shouldn't be the case, and we should be trying to make ourselves into one people (of many different backgrounds yes, but one none the less) working together for the betterment of everybody, and things like race exclusive teams (no matter what race it is) doesn't help to reach that goal.

 

[RedVee]

This thread went to shit.

I look forward to the game, though I thought they may have gone for a combined Pacific team.
The Maori team have a long heritage so possibly the better choice.
I am looking forward to the pre game celebrations as well.

 

[King hit]

Not even close. Jackson's award is the most blatant act of favouritism in the history of the game

Someone who didn’t play the whole series, wasn’t on a winning team, his opposite owned him in the stats, wasn’t even his sides best player and looked embarrassed on stage.

Sorry Slater’s award was much more farcical.

 

[The Great Dane]

You're literally arguing for the national homogenization of culture, in the interest of societal cohesion.

Where would you say that sits in your political framework?

No I'm not, I'm arguing for a shared set of foundational ideals, in other words a shared ideology or philosophy at the heart of being a member of Australian society that acts as a contract between both the government and it's citizens, and the citizens and each other, as to what is expected and allowed of each other.

In a sense I'm arguing for a bill of rights that everyone in the country shares and that one of those rights should be that no organisation can exist that discriminates people based on immutable characteristics.

 

[SBD82]

No I'm not, I'm arguing for a shared set of foundational ideals, in other words a shared ideology or philosophy at the heart of being a member of Australian society that acts as a contract between both the government and it's citizens, and the citizens and each other, as to what is expected and allowed of each other.

In a sense I'm arguing for a bill of rights that everyone in the country shares and that one of those rights should be that no organisation can exist that discriminates people based on immutable characteristics.

You realise you just reframed the homogenization of Australian culture into fancy terms?

You're effectively advocating the destruction of aboriginal culture.

 

[Canard]

Wait you seriously don't know what i.e. collectivism is?

You do realise that racism and race politics is a form of collectivism right, the whole thing you think you have been railing against this whole time?

I think I see the problem now, we're talking on completely different wavelengths, I'm using philosophical and political concepts and theories just assuming that you'd understand them when you don't, so you are confusing what I'm saying and misinterpreting what is being said cause of that, and because of the same assumption that you recognise and understand these concepts I'm misinterpreting what you are saying cause I'm assuming the context in which they are being said uses the same philosophical framework when it doesn't.

We have a live in the wild Iamverysmart guys.

Just complete horseshit under the guise of some pseudo-intellectualism.

 

[The Great Dane]

You realise you just reframed the homogenization of Australian culture into fancy terms?

You're effectively advocating the destruction of aboriginal culture.

Yeah no I didn't, but whatever man... I honestly can't be bothered arguing...

We have a live in the wild Iamverysmart guys.

Just complete horseshit under the guise of some pseudo-intellectualism.

E.g. Collectivism is pseudo-intellectualism?

It's not about being smart or not smart, it's that we're not speaking in the same terms, we're not speaking the same language if you will.

 

[SBD82]

Yeah no I didn't, but whatever man... I honestly can't be bothered arguing...

You've managed to turn a thread about a football game celebrating indigenous culture into a political debate, and now you couldn't be bothered arguing.

 

[Canard]

Yeah no I didn't, but whatever man... I honestly can't be bothered arguing...



E.g. Collectivism is pseudo-intellectualism?

It's not about being smart or not smart, it's that we're not speaking in the same terms, we're not speaking the same language if you will.

You're a massive bore, that sucks the fun out of everything in life.

 

[Matua]

WTF happened to this thread? Was about a match and then Great Dane hijacked it with his political BS.

 

[Albert Rosenfeld]

The whole event will be a huge flop unless we get the Germany vs Serbia Origin game as a curtain raiser.

 

[Springs09]

WTF happened to this thread? Was about a match and then Great Dane hijacked it with his political BS.

That's Dane. Does it to about every thread in the International forum with his rambling nonsense.