NRL set to introduce New Zealand Maori clash with Indigenous All Stars

[SBD82]

Precisely what do you think I think it is saying.

It looks like you believe that in aboriginal culture you can't marry outside of your own skin name, And that skin name means the colour of your skin.

 

[carlosthedwarf]

Great they're starting this game but it needs to be taken to NZ in alternating years

 

[titoelcolombiano]

That is the right opposition for the Indigenous All Stars. Well done NRL!

 

[Cumberland Throw]

So you can't be Polynesian maori ?

 

[magpie_man]

So you can't be Polynesian maori ?

Yes. New Zealand is part of Polynesia.

 

[Cumberland Throw]

Yes. New Zealand is part of Polynesia.

So who can play ?

Is Shaun Johnson Maori ?

 

[carcharias]

It looks like you believe that in aboriginal culture you can't marry outside of your own skin name, And that skin name means the colour of your skin.

no not skin colour
Stay with me here

It is about particular groups or “clans”.
Saltwater people
Desert people
Both the same colour but in their culture they can’t marry
Or at least it’s heavily frowned upon... and they get segregated for it.

However, to marry European is a definite no no.

It is extremely intricate.
They call if skin type or skin name
It was referred to as skin type to me.

I’ve had it explained to me by a few people
1 was a young guy who runs the culture demo in Yirrkala arts centre in Nhulunbuy.
He explains lore ...or at least attempts to.

Him personally
His dad is white
Mum is black
His mum was basically kicked out of the clan for falling in love with a white man.
However thru about 30 years of persistence his dad proved he was serious.
Quit his job in the bauxite mine .... which was a sticking point.
Cut a long story short he is probably the only white man let into the clan ever.
Will never be an elder though.

The other was a man they call pussycat in Maningrida.
A bit of a local legend up there.
A movie star too.
He played the sorcerer in 10 canoes.
He explained the absolute mind f**k it must have been to make that movie.
All because of skin type.
They must be related to work with each other but at the same time they can’t be first relation or some weird rule.

Have a listen to my island home by warumpi band
George Burrawanga sings about it
He was from Elcho island
He fell in love with a girl from pupanya
That girl was Sammy butchers sister
Sammy was the guitarist.

George moved to the desert for the girl
Like the song says “ west of Alice springs”
He was basically a bit of an outcast
Which is how he met Neil Murray .. the white fella in warumpi band.
Neil was working out there by himself and him and George started hanging on account of nobody else would hang out with them.

So
To answer the original question by whoever it was
Skin colour does actually relate to heritage in aboriginal culture.

The rules are so confusing I’m surprised anyone had kids.

I love the culture I find it fascinating.
I’m going back next year.

 

[ReddFelon]

So who can play ?

Is Shaun Johnson Maori ?

Considering his dad is white and his mum is from Laos, no, probably not.

 

[The Great Dane]

Honestly I don't care about the game it's self or the fact that they are holding it, however the NRL is walking a dangerous path (especially in the current political environment) having teams and event's that are culturally and racially exclusionary, and they need to be very careful...

 

[Cumberland Throw]

Sandor Earl would be a shoe in

 

[THE CHAMP]

This has been done in the past and was a massive failure can't see it being any different this time round...

You are hell bent on proving you're a f**kwit aren't you?
Just to be clear I've been aware of your f**kwit heritage for some time now.
Perhaps they can introduce a f**kwits vs NZ maori game. f**k mate they may name you captain.

 

[THE CHAMP]

.
https://www.clc.org.au/index.php?/articles/info/aboriginal-kinship

Here ya go.

As if I’d make it up.

Mate
Wandana came to my kids school a few weeks and held a parents education session .

I was the only man that showed up.

Man?

 

[shinobi]

So who can play ?

Players that identify as NZ Maori and can trace their whakapapa/ancestry back to their iwi/hapu/tribe etc. nrl site had a big list including aussie players like val holmes, jordan mclean, tamou, gagai etc.

 

[Walter sobchak]

Stupid idea. Why not play a proper full blown test between Australia and NZ like the old trans-Tasman test series of the 80’s&90’s and not the p#ss poor ANZAC test match with mass NZ pullouts.

Also Can’t stand the idea of ponga(if he plays) being proud to play for the NZ Maori’s and not the NZ national side.

 

[shiznit]

I’m interested to see how the guys who have dual eligibility go...

Dane Gagai who’s played for Australia and the indigenous team may want to honour his Maori side as he doesn’t normally get the chance to.

Whereas... Josh Hoffman who represents the Kiwis may decide to represent his indigenous heritage this time.

It’s unique and it’s wonderful IMO...

 

[shiznit]

Stupid idea. Why not play a proper full blown test between Australia and NZ like the old trans-Tasman test series of the 80’s&90’s and not the p#ss poor ANZAC test match with mass NZ pullouts.

Also Can’t stand the idea of ponga(if he plays) being proud to play for the NZ Maori’s and not the NZ national side.

Why??

He’s Maori and Australian.

Unfortunately for the Kiwis we aren’t a big enough pull to beat the lure of Origin.

If he was playing rugby and he had the choice no doubt he would be playing for the All Blacks.

 

[kdalymc]

Considering his dad is white and his mum is from Laos, no, probably not.

Ponga is white.
Pongas son could play for Maori

 

[thorson1987]

I’m interested to see how the guys who have dual eligibility go...

Dane Gagai who’s played for Australia and the indigenous team may want to honour his Maori side as he doesn’t normally get the chance to.

Whereas... Josh Hoffman who represents the Kiwis may decide to represent his indigenous heritage this time.

It’s unique and it’s wonderful IMO...

Sticking with Indigenous apparently.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

GI could end up in a Maori shirt if his genealogy is anything like his geography.

 

[shiznit]

Sticking with Indigenous apparently.

And good on him... there’s no right or wrong answer.

I remember Timana Tahu absolutely loved playing for the Maori team years ago... it’s great to see these guys represent their indigenous culture with pride.

It sounds like it wasn’t an easy choice for Gagai though...

https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/08/20...oth-sides-of-my-family-gagais-tough-decision/

And It’s really cool to see him take an interest in his Maori side... even though he plays for Australia and the Indigenous team... the people from his Iwi(Tribe) will be in absolute awe of him when they see he links back to them.

They would be very proud of him.