NRL set to introduce New Zealand Maori clash with Indigenous All Stars

[shiznit]

GI could end up in a Maori shirt if his genealogy is anything like his geography.

Going on his geography that dude will be playing for the Native American All Stars.

 

[shiznit]

I’d also love to see the NRL acknowledge the role the NZ Maori team played in the games history.

I’m not a historian of the game but I remember hearing a story of a NZ Maori team going over to tour Australia when no one else would because of RU.

Someone else on here might know more...

 

[siv]

Why??

He’s Maori and Australian.

Unfortunately for the Kiwis we aren’t a big enough pull to beat the lure of Origin.

If he was playing rugby and he had the choice no doubt he would be playing for the All Blacks.

Here is my only issue with the concept

Who could play for a African cultural team ?

Answer is every NRL player - based upon never ending bloodline

Hell if I beleieve those ancient alien theiries - we could all be martian cultural team qualified

At some point we do need a basic rule for cultural teams

Eg you need to confirm you have a cultural heritage over the last X genrations

 

[gUt]

Can't wait for the Caucasian war dance

 

[ReddFelon]

Ponga is white.
Pongas son could play for Maori

Ponga is Maori though. Johnson's family heritage is an Asian mother and a Pakeha father who has never claimed even the slightest bit of Maori heritage.

 

[shiznit]

Here is my only issue with the concept

Who could play for a African cultural team ?

Answer is every NRL player - based upon never ending bloodline

Hell if I beleieve those ancient alien theiries - we could all be martian cultural team qualified

At some point we do need a basic rule for cultural teams

Eg you need to confirm you have a cultural heritage over the last X genrations

That has to be the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen.

Your comparing someone’s Maori ancestry dating back maybe 150 years as opposed to African ancestry which you would go back 60,000 years....

Good luck with that one pal...

Putting a label on someone’s heritage based on how many generations they are is a bullshit colonisers premise made to assimilate indigenous culture.

Your whole argument is geniused...

But I guess we will just have to deal with it when the NRL announce the African All Stars vs Ancient Alien All Stars game...

 

[Frailty]

Looking forward to seeing this game.

If there is one thing that Australia needs to do better it is celebrating its indigenous cultures, and sport is a good way to bring into the public spotlight.

 

[This Year?]

Can't wait for the Caucasian war dance

We see that in nightclubs every Saturday night.

 

[hutch]

Stupid idea. Why not play a proper full blown test between Australia and NZ like the old trans-Tasman test series of the 80’s&90’s and not the p#ss poor ANZAC test match with mass NZ pullouts.

Also Can’t stand the idea of ponga(if he plays) being proud to play for the NZ Maori’s and not the NZ national side.

Ah, because there are already Australia v nz test matches and now we also have a game celebrating the indigenous cultures of our two countries. It isn’t a test match, it does not affect test match rugby league, it doesn’t matter if an Australian represents his Māori heritage or vice versa.
Why do people have such a problem with all of this I wonder?

 

[Canard]

Stupid idea. Why not play a proper full blown test between Australia and NZ like the old trans-Tasman test series of the 80’s&90’s and not the p#ss poor ANZAC test match with mass NZ pullouts.

Also Can’t stand the idea of ponga(if he plays) being proud to play for the NZ Maori’s and not the NZ national side.

Who is using this alt account? Own up, c'mon

 

[Canard]

Honestly I don't care about the game it's self or the fact that they are holding it, however the NRL is walking a dangerous path (especially in the current political environment) having teams and event's that are culturally and racially exclusionary, and they need to be very careful...

It's a celebration of heritage and race, and not founded on the basis on exclusion.

The NRL has knocked this out of the park before and will continue to do so.

Our code leads Australia in this respect

 

[shinobi]

Here is my only issue with the concept

Who could play for a African cultural team ?

Answer is every NRL player - based upon never ending bloodline

Hell if I beleieve those ancient alien theiries - we could all be martian cultural team qualified

At some point we do need a basic rule for cultural teams

Eg you need to confirm you have a cultural heritage over the last X genrations

Well firstly i would say the players have to identify themselves as being from said culture. For Maori you should be able to trace your whakapapa/ancestry to one of the Maori Iwi/hapu/tribes of NZ. From there you should be able to trace your ancestry back further to the founding waka/canoes that traveled from Polynesia. This may seem strange to outsiders but for Maori these things are pretty common knowledge and points of pride.

 

[kdalymc]

Ponga is Maori though. Johnson's family heritage is an Asian mother and a Pakeha father who has never claimed even the slightest bit of Maori heritage.

My point is their both white. People are judging on skin colour. When that’s NOTHING to do with ethnicity

 

[ReddFelon]

My point is their both white. People are judging on skin colour. When that’s NOTHING to do with ethnicity

Okay...My point which was in reply to the Swans fan who was asking if Johnson is Maori which he isn't.

 

[kdalymc]

The funny thing here is not ONE person in Australia (and most of NZ) is pure/indigenous. That’s what makes these games so special/bad/controversial. We are 2 nations built on immigration, and then people wanna judge other people on their skin colour/where their from. We’re all boat people.,,

 

[siv]

That has to be the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen.

Your comparing someone’s Maori ancestry dating back maybe 150 years as opposed to African ancestry which you would go back 60,000 years....

Good luck with that one pal...

Putting a label on someone’s heritage based on how many generations they are is a bullshit colonisers premise made to assimilate indigenous culture.

Your whole argument is geniused...

But I guess we will just have to deal with it when the NRL announce the African All Stars vs Ancient Alien All Stars game...

No you dont get my point

something defines that culture

But that definitoon is based around when a person arrived on a land mass

The globe is quickly interbreeding - the old barriers of transport are long gone for cultures

Just image a more modern version

Convicts v Free Settlers - people 30-50 years ago were ashamed to have Convict heritage - today its cool

The process will have issues later on

Gagai is already a example of this. And this scenario will become more and more common

Thats why the old World All Stars concept died

I personally like it event - as it a celebration of culture

but if it becomes a platform for activists/racism then many wont like it

 

[carcharias]

The funny thing here is not ONE person in Australia (and most of NZ) is pure/indigenous. That’s what makes these games so special/bad/controversial. We are 2 nations built on immigration, and then people wanna judge other people on their skin colour/where their from. We’re all boat people.,,

Are you talking none playing footy or existing?

 

[The Great Dane]

It's a celebration of heritage and race, and not founded on the basis on exclusion.

The NRL has knocked this out of the park before and will continue to do so.

Our code leads Australia in this respect

You can't have your cake and eat it too, either racial discrimination is bad or it is not, it can't be ok as long as it's not happening to me, cause historically as a species we've been down that road before quite a few times and it never ends well...

By it's very nature this game is exclusionary, people will be excluded from participation based on their race and cultural background, and that is literally the definition of racial discrimination!
If the situation was altered only a little and say it was an e.g. Anglo-Saxon heritage team vs a Celtic heritage team and Maori, Indigenous Australian, and other groups of people were the ones being discriminated against it'd be called out as such and condemned, and not only would that happen but many (if not most) of the people who are celebrating this match and it's concept would be the loudest voices decrying the racist nature of the Anglo-Saxon vs Celtic one!

You also bring up another incredibly dangerous concept, that it's a "celebration of heritage and race".
If so by the inclusion of Aboriginal and Maori and the exclusion of all other cultural groups and their subsequent races are you (and the NRL, etc) suggesting that Aboriginal and Maori cultures are more deserving or worthy of celebration than others, or even that other cultures aren't worthy of celebration at all... Whether it's intended or not implicitly you are by the very fact that you are only celebrating Aboriginal and Maori cultures and not any others at all.

There're other concerns with this path that should be taken into account, like the massive potential for things to go wrong.

The whole concept of the day is Aboriginal vs Maori, the quickest way to offend or hurt somebody in such an environment would be to attack them based on their belonging to either Aboriginal or Maori culture, can you imagine the headlines when what is effectively an inevitable given time and the environment of a footy game happens and some members of the crowd take it to far? Headlines like 'Crowd at All Stars game throws racist abuse at players' wouldn't be a good look.
By positioning the game in the way that they are the NRL is literally harbouring an environment much more conducive to such a thing happening...

Look I could go on, but the whole concept is on shaky ground at best and it's a very rocky path for the NRL to walk...

 

[SBD82]

You can't have your cake and eat it too, either racial discrimination is bad or it is not, it can't be ok as long as it's not happening to me, cause historically as a species we've been down that road before quite a few times and it never ends well...

By it's very nature this game is exclusionary, people will be excluded from participation based on their race and cultural background, and that is literally the definition of racial discrimination!
If the situation was altered only a little and say it was an e.g. Anglo-Saxon heritage team vs a Celtic heritage team and Maori, Indigenous Australian, and other groups of people were the ones being discriminated against it'd be called out as such and condemned, and not only would that happen but many (if not most) of the people who are celebrating this match and it's concept would be the loudest voices decrying the racist nature of the Anglo-Saxon vs Celtic one!

You also bring up another incredibly dangerous concept, that it's a "celebration of heritage and race".
If so by the inclusion of Aboriginal and Maori and the exclusion of all other cultural groups and their subsequent races are you (and the NRL, etc) suggesting that Aboriginal and Maori cultures are more deserving or worthy of celebration than others, or even that other cultures aren't worthy of celebration at all... Whether it's intended or not implicitly you are by the very fact that you are only celebrating Aboriginal and Maori cultures and not any others at all.

There're other concerns with this path that should be taken into account, like the massive potential for things to go wrong.

The whole concept of the day is Aboriginal vs Maori, the quickest way to offend or hurt somebody in such an environment would be to attack them based on their belonging to either Aboriginal or Maori culture, can you imagine the headlines when what is effectively an inevitable given time and the environment of a footy game happens and some members of the crowd take it to far? Headlines like 'Crowd at All Stars game throws racist abuse at players' wouldn't be a good look.
By positioning the game in the way that they are the NRL is literally harbouring an environment much more conducive to such a thing happening...

Look I could go on, but the whole concept is on shaky ground at best and it's a very rocky path for the NRL to walk...

I fail to see the issue here.

Anglo Saxon is the dominant culture in Australia, and also I assume in NZ. Celebration of Anglo culture occurs regularly (most of our public holidays), as do celebrations of other cultures. Italian festivals, Chinese New Year, st Patrick's day, etc.

I see no reason that Aboriginal and Maori culture shouldn't be celebrated similarly. I enjoy learning about all cultures, and I can't understand people who think that is a negative.

 

[unforgiven]

Yes. New Zealand is part of Polynesia.

I fail to see the issue here.

Anglo Saxon is the dominant culture in Australia, and also I assume in NZ. Celebration of Anglo culture occurs regularly (most of our public holidays), as do celebrations of other cultures. Italian festivals, Chinese New Year, st Patrick's day, etc.

I see no reason that Aboriginal and Maori culture shouldn't be celebrated similarly. I enjoy learning about all cultures, and I can't understand people who think that is a negative.

It is usually racist people who see it as a negative. Its almost like they believe they are hard done by because the indigenous cultures are being celebrated and they are not included.