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Bomber

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My main objective is to find as many varied, insightful and educated opinions on the differences between the players from the NRL and the athletes from the NFL.

No, it seems your main objective was to ask a question, give your own opinion and then abuse the f**k out of anyone who dares to disagree with you. Hardly the formula for a serious discussion!

The greater majority of league fans don't give a sh*t about gridiron, so I doubt you would find any varied, insightful or education opinions (that is, opinions that you would agree with anyway).
 

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NRL forwards actually get to touch the ball during a match :lol::lol:

In League, more than 1 person in a team can kick the ball.
 

NPK

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and yea, NFL forwards are stronger than NRL forwards because they focus on weight training and bulking up - they don't run much.
 

Lego_Man

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FFS american football is pathetic...two more reasons:

1. They have 2 teams in one (an offensive team and a defensive team) How pathetic is that? So much for multiskilling...

2. They have one player whose sole job is to kick...thats all he does, punt and kick goals.

A game of american football goes on for something like 4 hours because they have so many stoppages. If it wasn't contact it would be worse than soccer.
 

Bomber

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I actually don't mind watching American football....however, I realise that it is TOTALLY different and unique and cannot be compared or contrasted with rugby league. But, since you asked for it, here is a comparison:

Duration of Game
NRL - 2 x 40 minute periods of play, with timeoff blown only at the discretion of the referee
NFL - 4 x 15 minute periods of play, with the clock stopping whenever the ball is made dead (incomplete pass or taken out of bounds). 40 second play clock. Coaches have three timeouts each per half

Teams
NRL - 13 players on field, 4 reserves. All players can pass, run and kick the ball.
NFL - 55 players in each squad, 11 on field at any one time. On offense, only six players can make a play with the ball. The quarterback passes or runs with the ball, the halfback and fullback run with the ball, the halfback, fullback, wide receivers and tight ends receive the ball from the quarterback. Defenders consist of defensive ends, defensive tackles, linebackers, cornerbacks and safeties. Kicking and punting are specialist positions.

Gameplay
NRL - Continuous action, 6 tackle sets (99% of time teams kick on fifth tackle). Ball can only be passed backwards. Objective of game is to score a try, which is scored by placing the ball on the grass in the 'in-goal' area, which is followed by a conversion which is taken in line with where the ball was placed on the ground.
NFL - One play taken every forty seconds. Objective of game is to advance the ball ten yards within four downs (tackles/plays). (99% of time teams punt/kick on fourth down). When the team has passed the ten yard line, they are given a new set of downs ('first down'). The game continues as such until teams score or turn the ball over (through either fumbling or intercepting the ball, or failing to 'convert' a fourth down). Touchdowns are scored when the player carries the ball into the ingoal area, which is followed by a 'point-after-touchdown' attempt which is always taken straight in front of the sticks. Field goals (three points) can be attempted at any time, most commonly on fourth down.

Off the Field
NRL - 15 teams competiting in one big happy league, teams play 24 games as well as finals, State of Origin and Test matches. Each team has one coach, at least one reserve grade side, and extensive junior recruiting systems.
NFL - 32 teams competiting in two conferences of four divisions each. Teams play 16 games, and elimination finals, as well as a 'Pro Bowl' game. Each team has one head coach, one offensive co-ordinator, one defensive co-ordinator, one special teams co-ordinator (to teach the gumbies how to kick), and a specialist coach for each and every position (quarterback, halfback, fullback, wide receiver, tight end, offensive tackle, offensive guard, centre, defensive tackle, defensive end, left linebacker, middle linebacker, right linebacker, cornerback, free safety, strong safety, kicker, punter). Players are recruited from college football through the NFL draft, with the rejects playing either Arena Football, NFL Europe or (sorry Canadian Steve) in the Canadian Football League.

The Average Player
NRL - Each player MUST know how to tackle and pass the ball. At least three players in each team also has a good knowledge of tactical kicking. Every player is multi-skilled - props can offload and pass, wingers can be great physical defenders. The same 13 players on the field must attack and defend, and do not rest except during scoring breaks and halftime. Some may say this demonstrates the defiencies of rugby league players; on the contary, it illustrates how versatile the atheletes who play the game really are.
NFL - The vast, vast, vast majority of players can only perform at their nominated position. Quarterbacks do NOT and CANNOT play defensive end. Linebackers do NOT and CANNOT play halfback. Kickers do NOT and CANNOT play offensive guard. As demonstrated before, the success of the offensive side of the ball can be totally independent of how the defense is operating. There are virtually two different teams within each franchise (three if you count the kickers).

I hope I have covered everything. Two totally different games.
 

gottabegood

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ozhawk66 said:
My main objective is to find as many varied, insightful and educated opinions on the differences between the players from the NRL and the athletes from the NFL.

You started the thread by stating PLAYERS from NRL vs ATHLETES from NFL. Bit a given really.

Anyway NFL is a pretty ordinary game in its full length, but pretty good on the highlights reel.

The players are then a reflection of these rules.

Some points
*Far too specialised, it is professionalism gone mad.
*Certain positions only require massive defensive guys, who may never touch the football in there careers. But I played football man.
*Running and defensive back are the best athletes, thumbs up.
*Quarterback, what can I say, the whole game relies on this hero figure (same as the pitcher in baseball). Team sport my arse, if this one is no good, the whole team may as well walk off the park.
*The athletes as has been stated are drugged to their eyeballs. The NRL I believe has the best drug testing of any team sport in the world (per inside sport) while the NFL's is a joke.....
*The team on the field are not allowed to ad lib. All set plays are called by one of a thousand coaches from the sidelines.
*There is no endurance factor, there a too many breaks, plus 4 quarters and then this 2 minute warning. Let alone that there are def,off,kick return, field goal and others? teams. Infact this game is slower than test cricket.
*They have 4 downs to make just......10 meters, very negative rules.
*Kicker comes on the field just for kicks, and takes them all dead center.

anyway......
 

Green Machine

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I think Rugby League has learnt more from the NFL in the last 30 years than off any other sport. I love Rugby League and like watching the NFL in our off season.
 

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gottabegood said:
*There is no endurance factor, there a too many breaks, plus 4 quarters and then this 2 minute warning. Let alone that there are def,off,kick return, field goal and others? teams. Infact this game is slower than test cricket.
Does beg the question.. From kickoff to fulltime - must be, what 90 minutes, 2 hours? How long is the ball actually in play I wonder, it'd be close the to lowest in all "athletic" type sports. Cricket and baseball would probably be lower.
 

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GoTheBears said:
Endurence? Like stopping after every hit to catch their breath?
Bigger, maybe. Faster? I dont think so. Stronger? So strong they need to cover themselves in padding n where big arse helmets eh.

Dickhead



Stopping after every hit? Maybe to get ready to lay another one on. Come in for a landing, dickhead; if you really wanna debate.


While EVERY player on the NFL playing field is involved on EVERY play, such is not the case in league.

On normal play of the ball, there is anywhere from 2-5 players involved on each tackle/play of the ball in leage. This is why the NFL is a MUCH faster game than the NRL. It's also why there is only one ref on the NRL field while there is seven referees on the NFL playing field. And that's with 13 league players on the field compared to 11 football players.




Faster? If you wanna compare the fastest the NRL has to offer to the faster, elite players of the NFL? - go ahead. Mind you, you better come up with players a lot faster than the likes of a.....
Scott Donald, Brett Stewart, Amos Roberts, Rhys Wesser, Chris Hicks etc...



Strong? You don't even wanna go there and compare.
 

Bomber

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I watched an NFL playoff game in its entirely earlier this year (San Diego vs New York Jets) which went into extra time. The coverage lasted approximately four hours, for a total of 70 minutes of 'game clock'.
 

ozhawk66

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jc155776 said:
Like i said, roids, of they were serious bout there drug policys then there would be no players left, and it hard to be that damn big when u have one specifc job anyway, look at wirghtlifters, bigger and stronger than an NFL athlete because all they concentrate on is lifting, just like all NFL blockers concentrate on is tackling and blocking, not running passing etc etc...




You have no idea how far you have stuck your foot in your mouth with this response with giddy foot 'n mouth disease of irrationality.


I'll start responding to higher IQ levels when they know what they are talking about. Do a quick net-search on the NFL roid policy - come back with what yo have to FACTUALLY offer, and I'll see how truthful you are.


Until, then.......
 

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ozhawk66 said:
Stopping after every hit? Maybe to get ready to lay another one on. Come in for a landing, dickhead; if you really wanna debate.


While EVERY player on the NFL playing field is involved on EVERY play, such is not the case in league.

On normal play of the ball, there is anywhere from 2-5 players involved on each tackle/play of the ball in leage. This is why the NFL is a MUCH faster game than the NRL. It's also why there is only one ref on the NRL field while there is seven referees on the NFL playing field. And that's with 13 league players on the field compared to 11 football players.




Faster? If you wanna compare the fastest the NRL has to offer to the faster, elite players of the NFL? - go ahead. Mind you, you better come up with players a lot faster than the likes of a.....
Scott Donald, Brett Stewart, Amos Roberts, Rhys Wesser, Chris Hicks etc...



Strong? You don't even wanna go there and compare.
What does the amount of referees have to do with it? Just means ours are fitter as well.

Have to wait back to put another hit on? For f**ks sake, in league they make a tackle then go straight n do another again. Fitzy made 59 in origin, Hindmarsh 33 after 25 minutes. And you say they have no endurence? f**k off, no NFL player could do that, they'd be to busy readjusting there helmet n making sure they havethat little bit more than a rediculous amount of padding on.
 

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NPK said:
NRL forwards are much fitter than the NFL big dudes.

NRL players have more endurance than NFL players

NFL players can be more 'explosive' than NRL players



Forwards are fitter?
In rugby world theory, only.



NRL players have more endurance than NFL players


based on.....?
 

AlexM

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Salary Cap wise:

The NRL has a salary cap at $3.25million plus a further $250,000 for the rest of the 25 players in the squad

The NFL salary cap however is around $140million and no this is not a joke!
 

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ozhawk66 said:
Forwards are fitter?
In rugby world theory, only.



NRL players have more endurance than NFL players


based on.....?
Based on the fact alot play 80 minutes, they have to tackle all day, run all day n dont stop to powder their noses in between tackles.
 

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Bomber said:
No, it seems your main objective was to ask a question, give your own opinion and then abuse the f**k out of anyone who dares to disagree with you. Hardly the formula for a serious discussion!


I'll converse with anyone on a serious note and legit debate, if they choose. But I'll never fire the 1st shot in this debate between the 2 codes. I'm into debate, not flaming.




The greater majority of league fans don't give a sh*t about gridiron, so I doubt you would find any varied, insightful or education opinions (that is, opinions that you would agree with anyway).


Don't care if they give a sheet or not. But I was hoping more than....."sh*t about gridiron, so I doubt you would find any varied, insightful or education opinions (that is, opinions that you would agree with anyway)
 

ozhawk66

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NPK said:
NRL forwards actually get to touch the ball during a match :lol::lol:

In League, more than 1 person in a team can kick the ball.



But forwards don't BLOCK on each and every play. They are resting/pacing themselves DURING normal play of the ball - while lineman do all sorts of pulls, traps, stunts etc, all just to screw up their immediate opponent. And every play starts off with the equivalent of a scrum. And it's actually a violent scrum.
 

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Part of having a debate is being able to accept that others may have different opinions to your own.

I don't think you were here to have a proper discussion, though.
 

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the two games are chalk and cheese

NFL is far more tactical is it's HEAVILY controlled by coaches on every play. Players can call 'audibles' at the line to change their coaches play but that's not done majority of plays.

NFL players are specialised to fill a niche role: take Langston Walker a Right-Tackle for the Oakland Raiders, this big bastard is 6'8" and weighs 345 pounds (approx 172 KG). NO-one in the NRL is this big, and if they were they'd be a total liability except for goal line defence to stop Riddell.

It's foolish to compare the games in any way, there is no way to translate the skills of one discipline to the other

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If you HAD to talk about which players could transition I suspect most WRs in the NRL could play Wing in the NRL no worries. A guy like Laverenues Coles from the Redskins can run faster than Wesser (educated guess) and is an amazing talent, plus they could leap and catch for sure.

LBs like Brian Urlacher could probably become 2nd rowers, this dude has the speed and natural talent to at least put on 30 tackles a game, though he probably can't pass for sh*t.
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Similarly from League guys like Willie Mason or Carl Webb might make it as a HB in NFL with their explosive running, they'd probably be a short-yardage HB though 'cause they're too slow and not agile enough

Nathan Hindmarsh could make it as a MLB as he loves to sniff around for defence and follow the play
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OzHawk most of us know about the NFL from playing Madden 'cause there hasn't been enough good Rugby League computer games to play over the years, but I think you'll just have to accept many League fans think NFL is for heavily-padded obesity types, and guys too unfit to play a flowing sport.

Like AlexM said though, NFL has a salary cap of about US $75mil (I assume you converted to AUD AlexM) so player lifestyles and expectations are a little different over there too
 
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