NRL wants two conference comp

[mongoose]

The Brumbies won a couple of comps in the early 2000s which helped.

 

[The Great Dane]

The Brumbies won a couple of comps in the early 2000s which helped.

They’re the most successful Australian Super Rugby club, more successful than all the others put together.

That isn’t just dumb luck, it only happens through good management, which is basically my point; if you put a club in Christchurch and they were well managed they’d be successful and they’d be able to compete with the Crusaders.

If the NRL gave them a hand in establishing themselves then the sky is the limit.

 

[Pippen94]

The NRL (and RL in general) has an extensive record of making terrible business decisions because of infighting and internal politics.

So yeah, they’d absolutely miss a gold mine if given half a chance, and any cursory glance at the numbers suggests that that is exactly what would happen if they skip Perth for an NZ team.

There's no money for Perth & team will be reliant on private money to survive. NRL has been burnt by this in past having pick up pieces when owners lose interest.
Nz2 brings nz tv money.

 

[Pippen94]

I cannot see American streaming services putting in a massive bid for Australian sports. If the price is right they will take them, but they're not dependent on them like Foxtel. Who knows what will happen to Foxtel when Rupert Murdoch dies. His son Lachlan could throw a ton of money at RL due to his love for the Broncos, or the company might go bust.

Ch9 want a 2nd Brisbane team. I don't know Foxtel's position on Brisbane 2. Media analyst Colin Smith says Brisbane 3 should be brought in after NZ 2, which seems to be the direction the ARLC is taking. He also said to forget about Adelaide and Perth. His plans for the 20th team are Melbourne 2 or PNG. This is why I talk about relocation. Smith is against relocation, but I think it needs to be looked at if we don't want our game to shrink. Plenty of New South Welshmen and Queenslanders are forced to relocate to Adelaide and Perth for one reason or another. If they're only option is AwFuL then they may very well lose their interest in RL. They might stay loyal, but if they start a family over there then their kids will probably grow up kicking a Sherrin and following an AwFuL club. We cannot afford to lose these people when AwFuL is convincing kids in Brisbane and Sydney to kick a Sherrin around a paddock.

It's really selfish of people in Sydney to want their city to retain its 9 clubs when RL fans in Adelaide and Perth don't have one. Getting two struggling clubs that are living hand to mouth and are reliant on broadcast revenue for survival to relocate to Adelaide and Perth will allow their remaining fans to watch them on TV and attend their games when they play away in Sydney. If that's not good enough for them, then stiff shit and bad on them for not doing more to keep their clubs viable in Sydney.

Small Aussie streaming company won rights to broadcast champions league. Who knows who will bid & what landscape will look like??

 

[mongoose]

There's no money for Perth & team will be reliant on private money to survive. NRL has been burnt by this in past having pick up pieces when owners lose interest.
Nz2 brings nz tv money.

Several clubs already rely on private money so why isn't it ok for Perth to?

Is there any guarantee of NZ TV money? Honestly I would be very surprised if there is....

 

[Perth Red]

There's no money for Perth & team will be reliant on private money to survive. NRL has been burnt by this in past having pick up pieces when owners lose interest.
Nz2 brings nz tv money.

yeh, nah

 

[Pippen94]

Several clubs already rely on private money so why isn't it ok for Perth to?

Is there any guarantee of NZ TV money? Honestly I would be very surprised if there is....

2nd team would be contingent on it.

There's little case for Perth because location brings no money. If not nz maybe PNG??

 

[The Great Dane]

There's no money for Perth & team will be reliant on private money to survive. NRL has been burnt by this in past having pick up pieces when owners lose interest.
Nz2 brings nz tv money.

Maybe I'm misremembering, but the Pirates will be owned by a consortium that includes the WARL, so not exactly private owners.

Also for every private owner that's been a failure there's one that's a success.
The Broncos and Rabbitohs are privately owned, and they are probably the two most successful clubs in the NRL commercially.

 

[The Great Dane]

Is there any guarantee of NZ TV money? Honestly I would be very surprised if there is....

None whatsoever.

Only the broadcasters in NZ know for sure what they would be willing to pay for a second NZ club.

 

[Pippen94]

Maybe I'm misremembering, but the Pirates will be owned by a consortium that includes the WARL, so not exactly private owners.

Also for every private owner that's been a failure there's one that's a success.
The Broncos and Rabbitohs are privately owned, and they are probably the two most successful clubs in the NRL commercially.

Souths were kicked out of league despite being biggest brand. Perth ain't Brisbane when in comes to NRL

 

[Perth Red]

Souths were kicked out of league despite being biggest brand. Perth ain't Brisbane when in comes to NRL

privately owned clubs; warriors, Souths, Storm, broncos (publicly listed), manly, you can probably add in roosters who needed private investment to get where they are, dragons, Titans. Nz2 would need private ownership.
but yeh private ownership is bad where as pokie club ownership is good lol

 

[The Great Dane]

Souths were kicked out of league despite being biggest brand. Perth ain't Brisbane when in comes to NRL

Souths were kicked out of the league before they were bought by Russell Crowe. You know when they were being run by old boys with the support of a broke arse leagues club that was literally running chook raffles to try and keep them going. BTW there's no way in hell that they were in biggest brand in 80s or 90s, that's just a nice piece of revisionist history.

Perth doesn't need to be Brisbane to be successful. Given their attendance record and the amount of interest I think it's more than reasonable to assume that you could transplant one of the smaller Sydney clubs to Perth and have an active fan-base of about the same size from day one, and well and truly outgrow the old club in a about a decade, give or take a couple years.

 

[Pippen94]

Souths were kicked out of the league before they were bought by Russell Crowe. You know when they were being run by old boys with the support of a broke arse leagues club that was literally running chook raffles to try and keep them going. BTW there's no way in hell that they were in biggest brand in 80s or 90s, that's just a nice piece of revisionist history.

Perth doesn't need to be Brisbane to be successful. Given their attendance record and the amount of interest I think it's more than reasonable to assume that you could transplant one of the smaller Sydney clubs to Perth and have an active fan-base of about the same size from day one, and well and truly outgrow the old club in a about a decade, give or take a couple years.

Where do you think all the South's came from?! Always the most supported club just not shown in attendance & membership.

Yeah, superleague was built on same thought but really it's ppl in NSW & qld that watch the sport.

 

[Perth Red]

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Small Aussie streaming company won rights to broadcast champions league. Who knows who will bid & what landscape will look like??

It'll cost a lot more to poach the broadcast rights of NRL away from Foxtel. Whoever wins the rights will need to cover production costs, which are expensive. If Foxtel wanted every soccer league they would outbid their competitors.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

None whatsoever.

Only the broadcasters in NZ know for sure what they would be willing to pay for a second NZ club.

I recall Colin Smith saying Sky isn't interested because ratings over there are low.

 

[RL The greatest game]

They are not happy in WA
NRL 2021: Western Australian rugby league powerbroker says talk of second New Zealand team is ‘immoral’

 

[Vee]

White with black V.
South Island Scorpions. Most games in Christchurch some in Dunedin

Do they have scorpions in nz?

 

[flippikat]

The North Sydney Bears Facebook page has shared an article from the Daily Telegraph that proposes a two-tier competition with promotion/relegation, as an alternative to conferences.

14 team NRL - everyone plays everyone else twice, 10 team 2nd division "Championship" below it.

I wonder if that means Newscorp are advancing it. Maybe as a soft way towards a Superleague? Wasn't 14 teams their desired size for the top tier in the 1990s?

 

[flippikat]

They are not happy in WA
NRL 2021: Western Australian rugby league powerbroker says talk of second New Zealand team is ‘immoral’

It's strong language, but I can understand the frustration behind it.

To go so many years on lip-service & the odd (fleeting) marquee event, with no actual top tier team must be infuriating beyond words.